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Quoting juriFX
[...] By the way, I'm also looking into some kind of "trend wash wave", doing some research and tests, the basic idea I posted here (awesome thread about wolfe waves). If it shows promise could be a good addition to our framework, especially because it takes the manipulation of the crowd into account which, as posted above, is a great market principle.
Just an example for 2 trading opportunities by combining few elements of the framework: crowd manipulation, wolfe waves, market harmonics
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Still a work in progress...
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Anti wolfe wave at one of the most important HTF symmetrical confluence zones (market fractal - new original decision)
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HTF location
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LTF decision zone (clear alignment of symmetry and decision point)
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And then it did not take long for the next hit
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About rotation candles, it is a concept from Mr.Pip (Damian Castilla), very useful for timing an entry in an area of interest if not using pending orders.
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Hi Juri,
I remember you from your posts on RTM, I was also a member and been trying to learn market dynamics for quite sometime. However the one which is your favorite is the one that keeps on confusing me, "Symmetry". By symmetry, do you mean the size of the Flag Limits for a bullish engulfing and corresponding bearish engulfing are identical?
USDJPY wave and location confluence
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keeping these "wave style trades" on a separate account from the linked TE while still evaluating and testing
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Quoting ajjatin
Hi Juri, I remember you from your posts on RTM, I was also a member and been trying to learn market dynamics for quite sometime. However the one which is your favorite is the one that keeps on confusing me, "Symmetry". By symmetry, do you mean the size of the Flag Limits for a bullish engulfing and corresponding bearish engulfing are identical?
No (space) symmetry is really simple, it's just like a QM (quasimodo) pattern, but I'm not calling it QM because that specific pattern requires a LL (bearish QM) and HH (bullish) break of structure. Some of the best symmetrical levels are just fake out levels.
I think it is well explained on the RTM FF thread and PIE thread (linked in post #1).
Ifmyante took this really to the next level, especially in combination with the Flag Limit (FL) concept, basically, the only places to look for an entry are those zones.
Checkout youtube for "readthemarket" and "RTMcommunity", the webinars explain it also visually.

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Thanks Juri for the reply... But still I am still confused about how its formed and its significance in the ITs perspective..
GBPUSD Crowd Wave
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HTF zone
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Quoting ajjatin
Thanks Juri for the reply... But still I am still confused about how its formed and its significance in the ITs perspective..
I'm not sure about that, I guess it's about decisions, whenever a high or low (key level) is broken a new decision is made. Those zones have unfilled orders, so when price comes back again we look for clues (PA, crowd psychology, etc...)
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EURUSD 15m broke into space, can see it going lower
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AUDJPY
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price reversed from a symmetry level without hitting a valid target (next symmetrical level - engulfing into space)
2H
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Price hit the final tg (around 4R) in the end but closed it manually for 2.6R...
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Thanks Jurij for your valuable time.
GBPUSD, thinking ahead, if the following level breaks (circle) we could see a reversal, following EURUSD maybe (correlated)
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HTF, price coming from a proper target (tg) and good overall location
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AUDUSD 30m
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Quoting juriFX
GBPUSD, thinking ahead, if the following level breaks (circle) we could see a reversal, following EURUSD maybe (correlated) {image} HTF, price coming from a proper target (tg) and good overall location {image}
GU did not continue down.
Either the read was wrong or price is in an extended fake out (FO), meaning price goes beyond the original reaction level to trap more traders before turning. Because it is tricky to differentiate between a genuine fake out and a wrong price read I have a rule that allows me to enter 2 traders and not more for each signal (engulf). If the first trade is stopped, I usually check HTF levels to see if price is making a FO into an even better level and if it makes sense from a pain point of view, if I'm confident, then I enter the second trade, but in case of GU, was not so much convinced because in my view GU is up on HTF and also because I was already short on EU which is somewhat correlated at times.

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Will it go down? We'll see...
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Quoting juriFX
EURUSD 15m broke into space, can see it going lower {image}
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1st try, stopped out to by less than a pip, fake out
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after looking at the FO, decided to give it another go, 3R TP
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Quoting juriFX
AUDUSD 30m {image}
price advanced lower and in fact already hit a target, so no signal for now
Missed to zoom out too see the bigger picture:
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USDJPY
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Quoting juriFX
EURGBP HTF view, expecting lower prices to the HTF target {image}
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Price still on its way to the HTF tg, closed for 2R since it's taking a long time (more than 1 month) and at this point I'm not as confident in this signal as before.
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Hey Juri this is Chris from RTM. My computer got completely destroyed a couple of weeks ago and I lost all my passwords. I don't have your contact info anymore and don't even have access to my old FF account. I started this new FF account but it won't let me PM anyone because my status is 'new'. Are you able to PM me on FF with your email or skype? thanks man & I apologize for cluttering your journal...feel free to delete this post....

If FF doesn't let you PM because of my status, feel free to email me directly at { email address deleted by staff }

I hope you are doing well!
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Quoting currencytr14
Hey Juri this is Chris from RTM. My computer got completely destroyed a couple of weeks ago and I lost all my passwords. I don't have your contact info anymore and don't even have access to my old FF account. I started this new FF account but it won't let me PM anyone because my status is 'new'. Are you able to PM me on FF with your email or skype? thanks man & I apologize for cluttering your journal...feel free to delete this post.... If FF doesn't let you PM because of my status, feel free to email me directly at { email address deleted by staff...
Sorry to hear that.
Honestly, never gave you my contact info, also I don't remember a Chris on RTM.
By the way I am no longer a member of RTM, so can't help you anyway.

This thread is on hold, the way I was trading (engulf signals and entries on deep retracements to origin of moves, ideally in combination with QMs) does not work consistently for me. But I'm working on a different entry style, more in the crowd wave style (similar to wolfe waves) as a contrarian trading style against the expectation of the crowd which usually follows trends and HH/HL LL/LH structures until they get trapped. This entry style in combination with symmetry, QM levels and general decision levels offers a better way.
Also because engulfs of market structures (S/D, SR and decision points) usually offer a good hint for future market direction, but the few time where price retraces very deeply or even fakes out lower the probability of price continuing the same direction.
Looking forward to continue the experiment, once the foundation is solid, maybe even a different thread if the style is much different.
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