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  • #3,681
  • May 11, 2017 12:37pm May 11, 2017 12:37pm
Quoting Winston2017
AKT - AUTOKON wondering if you could shed any light on autokon 30m trade i didnt think the level was fresh - because soon after it was created it was revisited? am i correct in thinking this 2nd the move away wasnt large enough ? any thoughts appreciated thanks winston {image}
hi,winston
in older post,AKT explain thisicture 2 of supply:
DROP BASE - DROP
This type of supply zone is a continuation pattern which by definition implies that they are best used when there is a trend underway (hence why the pattern is a continuation pattern, i.e. continuing a pre-existing trend).

They are usually found in the middle of the curve (again, this is why they are linked to trends because remember what we do in the equilibrium area? we follow the trend!)

They do not work as well for trend reversals UNLESS they are embedded within the larger timeframe zone. For example, say you use the monthly chart as your curve timeframe and price has now arrived at monthly supply. You know you are the extreme of the curve and should be looking for opportunities to sell. Since the monthly SZ is too wide for you to use as an entry zone, you take an X-Ray of that monthly SZ to take a closer look inside it.
This X-ray is taken using your daily lens, your daily timeframe.

Lo and behold, you find embedded within the monthly SZ, a daily DROP-BASE-DROP SZ.
You have just found your entry.
  • #3,682
  • May 11, 2017 12:47pm May 11, 2017 12:47pm
Good afternoon, please anyone check this and tell me if its right or what do I need to get better at.

I got out at BE becouse of dolldrums, luckly

regards, Andres

4hr
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  • #3,683
  • May 11, 2017 12:48pm May 11, 2017 12:48pm
Quoting Winston2017
AKT - AUTOKON wondering if you could shed any light on autokon 30m trade i didnt think the level was fresh - because soon after it was created it was revisited? am i correct in thinking this 2nd the move away wasnt large enough ? any thoughts appreciated thanks winston {image}
Hello Winston2017

here you go

best wishes
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,684
  • May 11, 2017 12:59pm May 11, 2017 12:59pm
Quoting Winston2017
my view on audnzd weekly in demand zone poss not the best demand h4 also hitting demand 2 zones 1h @ 3 x demand zones would be looking to sell if market takes a bounce of 1h/4h demands to 1.07500 or 1.07960 area {image}
hi winston,another example:
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  • #3,685
  • May 11, 2017 1:03pm May 11, 2017 1:03pm
Quoting Winston2017
Eur/aud top down with potential 1h div short term trade {image} {image}
nice trade! working out well
  • #3,686
  • May 11, 2017 1:12pm May 11, 2017 1:12pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Winston2017 here you go best wishes{image}
a bit confused here,,,,so the first restest of 1.2428 (not in the yellow box) was not a good short?
  • #3,687
  • May 11, 2017 1:23pm May 11, 2017 1:23pm
Just for fun...the harmony(the language) of the market
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  • #3,688
  • May 11, 2017 10:08pm May 11, 2017 10:08pm
Quoting tony1200
{quote} a bit confused here,,,,so the first restest of 1.2428 (not in the yellow box) was not a good short?
hello tony1200

no, it was not a SZ.
there was no fall away, no departure

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,689
  • May 12, 2017 2:27am May 12, 2017 2:27am
Hello AKT & all fellow traders.
Managed to get another USDCAD trade using the 50% entry method. I found this very useful in getting, healthy R:R trades.
Sure I'll will miss a lot of trades,. but the ones i get will reward me appropriately.'

You comments would be helpful AKT
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  • #3,690
  • May 12, 2017 4:01am May 12, 2017 4:01am
HI AKT - AUTOKON

thanks for sharing the explanation

winston
  • #3,691
  • May 12, 2017 4:17am May 12, 2017 4:17am
Quoting Winston2017
HI AKT - AUTOKON thanks for sharing the explanation winston
for nothing,i hope you understand what I did
  • #3,692
  • May 12, 2017 4:20am May 12, 2017 4:20am
Hello, I'm new to this, I'm learning to get supply and demand zones.
This is a EURUSD Daily chart.
What I've is 2 red zones which are supply zones and 2 green zones which are demand zones.
From the very left first, there's a SZ as it is the cause that the up trend is broken, so there goes the SZ. So a short order made there.
Then move to right, it seems to have a doji which I think is the cause for the down trend to be broken. Obviously there's 2-3 tries to break the trend and they're failures and moving on to the expected huge bullish candle which break through the trend line but to identify if the trend is broke, we've to look at the next candle right? So the next candle happens to be a bearish candle and continuously appears 3 bearish candles. Then the last bearish candle hit the trend line and didn't go through down the chart, but the next candle happens to be bullish and it goes up to the previous SZ.
But it actually went up through the SZ when it's market close days. Then it went down when market opens, which I labelled that 2nd red zone the SZ, because I think that's the cause of the price is going bearish.
And beautifully it hit the DZ we were looking at before and reversal happens. Then I'm quite confused already...
Please correct me because I'm really new to this, thank you very much.
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  • #3,693
  • May 12, 2017 4:44am May 12, 2017 4:44am
Quoting vickybha
Hello AKT & all fellow traders. Managed to get another USDCAD trade using the 50% entry method. I found this very useful in getting, healthy R:R trades. Sure I'll will miss a lot of trades,. but the ones i get will reward me appropriately.' You comments would be helpful AKT {image} {image} {image}
like a sniper !
wonderful day !
  • #3,694
  • May 12, 2017 4:52am May 12, 2017 4:52am
retarded question but I wanna know
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  • #3,695
  • May 12, 2017 5:01am May 12, 2017 5:01am
Quoting vickybha
Hello AKT & all fellow traders. Managed to get another USDCAD trade using the 50% entry method. I found this very useful in getting, healthy R:R trades. Sure I'll will miss a lot of trades,. but the ones i get will reward me appropriately.' You comments would be helpful AKT {image} {image} {image}
some thoughts
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  • #3,696
  • May 12, 2017 5:30am May 12, 2017 5:30am
Thanks Autokon
Will keep that in mind.
I need to go through this overextension thing.
  • #3,697
  • May 12, 2017 8:22am May 12, 2017 8:22am
Quoting tseannn
Hello, I'm new to this, I'm learning to get supply and demand zones. This is a EURUSD Daily chart. What I've is 2 red zones which are supply zones and 2 green zones which are demand zones. From the very left first, there's a SZ as it is the cause that the up trend is broken, so there goes the SZ. So a short order made there. Then move to right, it seems to have a doji which I think is the cause for the down trend to be broken. Obviously there's 2-3 tries to break the trend and they're failures and moving on to the expected huge bullish candle which...
Hello tseann
Good to meet you
Welcome to T.I.O.F

ask your question and i am sure the guys here will do their best to answer you

One note from me about identifying zones, it is important we do more looking than thinking
Looking at the actual chart for big moves in price is a good place to start.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,698
  • May 12, 2017 8:33am May 12, 2017 8:33am
Quoting sakmak
retarded question but I wanna know {image}
Hello sakmak

If i may,

freshness is determined by whether or not price has returned to a zone since it left the zone.
That definition immediately brings up the question of how a S.A.D trader decides to draw their zone.
There are a number of ways and depends on the trader's preference, how many candles in the base, the location of the zone etc

to your schematics, working from left to right,

1 - not fresh if the trader draws his zone like this and it is a one candle base

2 - correct

3 - it does not particularly matter how many candles later (ie how much time it took) before prices come back to a level. As stated, freshness is a function of price return and not of time to return

i hope that helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,699
  • May 12, 2017 8:39am May 12, 2017 8:39am
Quoting vickybha
Hello AKT & all fellow traders. Managed to get another USDCAD trade using the 50% entry method. I found this very useful in getting, healthy R:R trades. Sure I'll will miss a lot of trades,. but the ones i get will reward me appropriately.' You comments would be helpful AKT {image} {image} {image}
Hello vickybha
Well done

question please -
how did you determine your stop? i ask because that trade even with the DZ u were worried being in the way, was easily a 3:1 with price not needing to reach that SZ

thank you so much for sharing your charts

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,700
  • May 12, 2017 8:51am May 12, 2017 8:51am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello vickybha Well done question please - how did you determine your stop? i ask because that trade even with the DZ u were worried being in the way, was easily a 3:1 with price not needing to reach that SZ thank you so much for sharing your charts best wishes
Hey Akt,

Is there a definitive guide for OFT? I've been trying to study the concept in this site: http://forextradingstrategies4u.com/order-flow-trading/, but can't manage to grasp the core concepts of the trade. As in, where to enter, where to exit, the rules, and such. Perhaps the whole concept of OFT is not limited to rules?

Hope I can learn from you. I'm tired of losing my money.
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