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  • #3,221
  • Apr 6, 2017 10:14pm Apr 6, 2017 10:14pm
Quoting jgk
Hi Michael , thanks very much for you feedback always love your feedback and mind tester questions lol ..., i have now had another look i believe that there is a formed Demand zone right there into the SZ. See picture. Also noted that the DZ below with the circle in it is slightly broken and is comprised. Also a rally based rally from the demand zone below as per picture. Have i missed something ? Hope this makes sense {image} We have only one life make the most of it !


Well done sir!!

The circled DBR is also demand, as well as the RBR you pointed out just below the supply

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,222
  • Apr 7, 2017 1:44am Apr 7, 2017 1:44am
Quoting jgk
Hi Michael , thanks very much for you feedback always love your feedback and mind tester questions lol ..., i have now had another look i believe that there is a formed Demand zone right there into the SZ. See picture. Also noted that the DZ below with the circle in it is slightly broken and is comprised. Also a rally based rally from the demand zone below as per picture. Have i missed something ? Hope this makes sense {image} We have only one life make the most of it !

Sorry to interrupt but I'm curious too if the RBR highlighted qualified as a demand zone since it doesn't break any supply zone nor trendline.
  • #3,223
  • Apr 7, 2017 6:22am Apr 7, 2017 6:22am
Quoting wayneccw
{quote} Sorry to interrupt but I'm curious too if the RBR highlighted qualified as a demand zone since it doesn't break any supply zone nor trendline.
Hello wayneccw

Good question. Let's answer it by asking another set of questions though.

Why did price rally from that level of the RBR?
Why did it not fall or continue to go sideways?
What causes prices to move in any market?

in our speculation in the financial markets, we have rules we apply that we have set to guide our activities in the world with no boundaries, the financial markets.

In addition to having a clear understanding of the rules one chooses to follow, we must also make the distinction between "must-haves's" and nice-to-haves" when it comes to these rules.

Supply and demand is based on the premise of order flow
Simply put, when there is a preponderance of buy orders, prices rise and when there is a preponderance of sell orders, prices fall.

So, back to the RBR in question....
the fact that it is even recognised as a "rbr" is important, because it is one of the 4 patterns we watch for within the methodology.
2 for demand - RBR and DBR
2 for supply - DBD and RBD.

In addition, what caused prices to rally after the base rather than fall or go side ways? - within the methodology, only one thing could cause that - a preponderance of buy orders compared to sell orders.
It really is that simple.

Now in terms of assessing the quality and trying to quantify the amount of demand, we can go a whole lot deeper into how to do this but that is a discussion for another time.

i hope that helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,224
  • Apr 7, 2017 6:49am Apr 7, 2017 6:49am
Hello Akt. I am very new to SAD concept and following TIOF and am amazed to see results and help full environment. Thanks to you for starting this.

Your reply made the whole concept quite simple and understandable. I am referring your one line

"Now in terms of assessing the quality and trying to quantify the amount of demand, we can go a whole lot deeper into how to do this but that is a discussion for another time."

Waiting for a discussion on this please.

Regards.
  • #3,225
  • Apr 7, 2017 8:08am Apr 7, 2017 8:08am
Quoting shuvo
Hello Akt. I am very new to SAD concept and following TIOF and am amazed to see results and help full environment. Thanks to you for starting this. Your reply made the whole concept quite simple and understandable. I am referring your one line "Now in terms of assessing the quality and trying to quantify the amount of demand, we can go a whole lot deeper into how to do this but that is a discussion for another time." Waiting for a discussion on this please. Regards.
Shuvo, This should get you up to speed:

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  • #3,226
  • Apr 7, 2017 8:41am Apr 7, 2017 8:41am
Hello everyone,

I took profit from this AUD/CAD short.


Have a nice weekend!
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  • #3,227
  • Edited 11:17am Apr 7, 2017 9:02am | Edited 11:17am
USDCAD short @ top arrow, profit 1 and 2 hit second arrow. Have a great weekend guys. I will make my next installment of videos this weekend.
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  • #3,228
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:20am Apr 7, 2017 10:20am
Quoting Denden2012
USDCAD short @ top arrow, profit 1 and 2 hit second arrow. Have a great weekend guys. I will make my next installment of videos this weekend. {image}
@pipsalon & denden2012

Oh yeah!!. My boys are in the house.....

Great work fellas.

thank you for sharing.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,229
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:29am Apr 7, 2017 10:29am
Quoting GravyBoatBob
{quote} Shuvo, This should get you up to speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVt41UEKU8&t=3216s
Thank you GravyBoatBob. Much appreciated

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,230
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:31am Apr 7, 2017 10:31am
Quoting GravyBoatBob
{quote} Shuvo, This should get you up to speed:
thanks GravyBoatBob for your kind help. I collected that video few days back and its a great webinar for us to understand. I am feeling that I should post some chart to get correction from fellow traders. Have some problems with Proximal line as some times its cover wick, sometimes body etc.
  • #3,231
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:56am Apr 7, 2017 10:56am
Quoting shuvo
{quote} thanks GravyBoatBob for your kind help. I collected that video few days back and its a great webinar for us to understand. I am feeling that I should post some chart to get correction from fellow traders. Have some problems with Proximal line as some times its cover wick, sometimes body etc.
Shuvo, yes that could seem confusing to a new SD student, so let me say this. For now, consider the proximal line ending at the body for now just for your own sanity. Then after you have analyzed many tens of thousands of zones on many thousands of charts, then you will begin to see some of that art of drawing the zones differently in some special cases. Usually When the proximal line covers the wick, it is when the basing candles present themselves as very narrow dojis. But not always, and not always when this happens. You'll see it more naturally later.

But let me say this: THE WORK IS WORTH IT. Keep hammering away here, and in a year you can literally be one of the best price chart analysts in the entire world. That is what is within your grasp here, and ABSOLUTELY FOR FREE.

Good luck!
  • #3,232
  • Apr 7, 2017 11:08am Apr 7, 2017 11:08am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello wayneccw Good question. Let's answer it by asking another set of questions though. Why did price rally from that level of the RBR? Why did it not fall or continue to go sideways? What causes prices to move in any market? in our speculation in the financial markets, we have rules we apply that we have set to guide our activities in the world with no boundaries, the financial markets. In addition to having a clear understanding of the rules one chooses to follow, we must also make the distinction between "must-haves's" and nice-to-haves"...


Thanks for the clarification AKT, it's just like 1+1 is equal to 2 but 1.5+0.5 is still equal to 2. What truly matter is how the price move away (rally/drop or sideway) which may indicate if there is any hidden orders at a certain level/zone. That clear up the air!
  • #3,233
  • Apr 7, 2017 12:00pm Apr 7, 2017 12:00pm
Quoting GravyBoatBob
{quote} Shuvo, yes that could seem confusing to a new SD student, so let me say this. For now, consider the proximal line ending at the body for now just for your own sanity. Then after you have analyzed many tens of thousands of zones on many thousands of charts, then you will begin to see some of that art of drawing the zones differently in some special cases. Usually When the proximal line covers the wick, it is when the basing candles present themselves as very narrow dojis. But not always, and not always when this happens. You'll see it more...
Take my gratitude GravyBoatBob. It's clearer now. May I ask you few question which makes me confused sometimes, please.
1. If a rally remove a supply zone by some pip, create base there then come back to previous demand, should I take that base as new supply zone or it just a break of previous supply and ignore that new base?
2. To determine freshness, need to see right and to determine originality, need to see left. what makes me confused is "Is this zone reaction of any previous zone". Can you pls put some light on this...

Thanks in advance.
  • #3,234
  • Apr 7, 2017 12:11pm Apr 7, 2017 12:11pm
Quoting shuvo
{quote} Take my gratitude GravyBoatBob. It's clearer now. May I ask you few question which makes me confused sometimes, please. 1. If a rally remove a supply zone by some pip, create base there then come back to previous demand, should I take that base as new supply zone or it just a break of previous supply and ignore that new base? 2. To determine freshness, need to see right and to determine originality, need to see left. what makes me confused is "Is this zone reaction of any previous zone". Can you pls put some light on this... Thanks in advance....
1. If I am reading this correctly, Then yes if a rally removes a supply zone then the base of that rally would be considered and demand zone. And after that, certainly supply zones can be formed above that new demand zone. What you have to learn, is that just because a zone is formed does not automatically mean that it is a zone that you want to place a trade on. One factor that is important to many (not to me) is the overall trend (what is the trend on a longer timeframe). Another is the distance of a zone from an opposing and unbroken zone, you want to make sure there is enough room from an opposing zone for your desired profit margin. And this is where noting non-tradable zones comes in. You want to use these not to place a trade on, but to qualify or disqualify a better zone to place a trade on.

2. Tradable zones can form from the bounce off of a previous zone. That is what is meant there. That doesn't make them not valid, as long as they fit the other criteria described in this thread.

Hope that helps!
  • #3,235
  • Apr 7, 2017 1:53pm Apr 7, 2017 1:53pm
Got a chance to short the UC one more time at D1/H4 SZ.....my 2nd target was hit around the DZ

happy weekend all
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  • #3,236
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:51pm Apr 7, 2017 10:51pm
Quoting GravyBoatBob
{quote} 1. If I am reading this correctly, Then yes if a rally removes a supply zone then the base of that rally would be considered and demand zone. And after that, certainly supply zones can be formed above that new demand zone. What you have to learn, is that just because a zone is formed does not automatically mean that it is a zone that you want to place a trade on. One factor that is important to many (not to me) is the overall trend (what is the trend on a longer timeframe). Another is the distance of a zone from an opposing and unbroken...
Hello GravyBoatBob. You are making me grateful by giving your valuable time. Thanks a lot. My understanding is getting better. I got a chart from page 3 of this thread (posted by Akt sir) and marking with red writing and arrow, where i need some light. please help on this.
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  • #3,237
  • Edited 11:44pm Apr 7, 2017 11:09pm | Edited 11:44pm
Quoting GravyBoatBob
{quote} Shuvo, This should get you up to speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVt41UEKU8&t=3216s

Gravy.....many thanks for sharing the video, since seeing this thread for the first time, recently, I was hoping and looking for a video from ATK that would explain SAD from the beginning.......now I can read from the begining of this thread and understand it better.

Many thanks ATK, great explanations, I will be re-watching that video.

Ezzy
What you do is a reflection of you....what I do is a reflection of me.
  • #3,238
  • Apr 8, 2017 12:55am Apr 8, 2017 12:55am
Quoting Pipsalon
Hello everyone, I took profit from this AUD/CAD short. Have a nice weekend! {image} {image}
Hello Pipsalon, that was a nice and simple trade you achieved. Congratulations!

I just like to know the Entry method in the trade.

Thank you.
  • #3,239
  • Apr 8, 2017 2:49am Apr 8, 2017 2:49am
Quoting shuvo
{quote} Hello GravyBoatBob. You are making me grateful by giving your valuable time. Thanks a lot. My understanding is getting better. I got a chart from page 3 of this thread (posted by Akt sir) and marking with red writing and arrow, where i need some light. please help on this. {image}
Hello Shuvo

here you go. Hope it clears things up for you

best wishes
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  • #3,240
  • Apr 8, 2017 2:51am Apr 8, 2017 2:51am
Quoting Ezzy
{quote} Gravy.....many thanks for sharing the video, since seeing this thread for the first time, recently, I was hoping and looking for a video from ATK that would explain SAD from the beginning.......now I can read from the begining of this thread and understand it better. Many thanks ATK, great explanations, I will be re-watching that video. Ezzy
Hello Ezzy,
Welcome to T.I.O.F
Great to meet you.

I hope the information makes S.A.D simpler for you to understand
Hang out with us. Stay a while

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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