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  • #1
  • First Post: Mar 26, 2017 6:44am Mar 26, 2017 6:44am
hi Everyone,

I am looking for someone very quantitative to co-operate with in a hopefully mutually beneficial working relationship. I am a discretionary risk taker in FX with 10y of experience, currently running >> 100m USD of capital for a very prominent firm in London. I spent 5 years on the institutional side in different shops and 5 years as a retail trader before that, while i was a student.

I combine a global macro / fundamental framework with a very technical / price action based approach which has been consistently working very well for me. There is literally a ton of discretion I apply every day to my trading and risk management decisions (i.e. no rigid 1+1=2 methodical approach), but I strongly believe that some of the technical setups / approaches I regularly use have an edge on its own if applied correctly and at the right time. There are actually quite a few of them which i would like to have tested which would allow me to focus more on my macro framework while making technical / price action based approach being more methodical / automatic (i.e. allowing me to spend 5h a day being glued to the screens, instead of 13-15h a day)

These would mostly not be high frequency trading strategies (even though there might be something), but more strategies with short term (i.e. several hours) holding periods to medium term (i.e. few days) holding periods. The idea is to minimize the negative expectancy coming from transaction costs.

There is no financial reward I am offering for this, but it is rather for someone very hungry to learn & evolve who is willing to do the coding work

What I am looking for:

- very advanced EA coding skills - I don't mind whether you use MT4 interface, or Python or something else, as long as you have the experience you can demonstrate on past examples

- I prefer someone who is working on trading / coding EAs full-time, or at least can spend several hours a day working on new ideas

- Preferably also someone who is an experienced trader, that would be a big plus, but less important than other points.

- Pattern recognition coding skills a big plus

- Integrity, fairness and strong work ethics

What I am offering:

- will be sharing all my knowledge of the FX markets - 10 years of trading experience, i.e. free mentoring in a way

- will provide my real name and a track record, for you to double-check

- you can keep & use whatever we come up with, but also you need to understand that i do not want to share any results or the strategy to anyone else - getting an edge is very rate, and more people know and use it (if it is purely methodical), it will likely dissapear.

- there are no guarantees of successful outcome, what I can guarantee though is that you will learn things you didn't know before - I am not talking technicals here, but more about how the markets really function - which is in my opinion one of the main keys when it comes to successful trading

- the idea is we catch up on skype on a weekly basis + chat / watsapp / email communication whenever necessary to co-ordinate.

If you think you more / less fulfill the requirements please drop me a PM, or respond here if you prefer. No time wasters or people not in line with the criteria please.

Cheers,

katrooo.
  • #2
  • Mar 26, 2017 1:41pm Mar 26, 2017 1:41pm
so you claim running 100 mio and looking for a good mt4 coder on FF to somehow code your discretionary trading methods, and you wont even pay the poor man
could have saved it for the 1st of april at least!
  • #3
  • Mar 26, 2017 2:41pm Mar 26, 2017 2:41pm
Quoting feline207
so you claim running 100 mio and looking for a good mt4 coder on FF to somehow code your discretionary trading methods, and you wont even pay the poor man could have saved it for the 1st of april at least!
I am sincerely sorry for lives of people full of hatred and damaged ego like yours. Please find a better use of your time than this.

I am actually running way more than 100 mio that's what the ">>" is for, but there is no need to specify the exact number.

Why am i looking for someone here and why I don't want to pay a "poor" man?

- I know there are smart people here and good EA developers
- I am on a discretionary macro side of the business, i.e. we don't have our desk quants. I could talk to guys who run quant hedge fund business on the other side of my floor, but these guys work 15 hour / day of their normal job working on their own strategies hence that would have been very ineffective
- The reason i don't want to pay for this service is two-fold, and it has nothing to do with the money.
a) I am offering a counter-service and I would be totally Nuts to share 10 years of my experience and even pay the person on top of that
b) I want someone who is doing it because he is hungry to succeed, not a brainless pure programmer who just implements everything I tell him and nothing more because he is getting paid for his coding job. I want to work with someone who can do the extra mile and also do some thinking behind the concepts, and the only way to achieve that is not pay him for the coding part, his/her compensation would be the experience, new knowledge and the end product.
  • #4
  • Mar 26, 2017 4:19pm Mar 26, 2017 4:19pm
Quoting katrooo
hi Everyone, I am looking for someone very quantitative to co-operate with in a hopefully mutually beneficial working relationship. I am a discretionary risk taker in FX with 10y of experience, currently running >> 100m USD of capital for a very prominent firm in London. I spent 5 years on the institutional side in different shops and 5 years as a retail trader before that, while i was a student. I combine a global macro / fundamental framework with a very technical / price action based approach which has been consistently working very well for...
I'm not sure if you're open to suggestions but I would say the best thing would be to just hire someone.

Hiring someone with pay could start the process of exchanging value because at the very least it would force a path of communication. Then, if the person you've hired sees any value in what you have to say, perhaps the type of relationship that you're looking for could get established at that point.

I don't think there's such a thing as fast friends (especially this business). If you're excited about something and want to share it with someone equally capable, or if you want something from someone in general, you're first going to have to prove your worth. Proving your worth requires more than stating some facts from your resume; I am certain there are many people on these forums with (very) impressive resumes as well.

The type of relationship that you're looking for will require much time to cultivate unless you're willing to provide more relevant proof of your value beyond stating some facts from your resume and even then, I doubt it'll spark the interest of anyone capable in the manner or arrangement that you present. I hope you're not taking my suggestions as unhelpful and really, I hope you find that type of genuine relationship because I'm certain it is rare to exist in genuine form.
  • #5
  • Mar 26, 2017 7:00pm Mar 26, 2017 7:00pm
Quoting feline207
so you claim running 100 mio and looking for a good mt4 coder on FF to somehow code your discretionary trading methods, and you wont even pay the poor man could have saved it for the 1st of april at least!
  • #6
  • Mar 27, 2017 7:06am Mar 27, 2017 7:06am
People these days have millions for nothing. I am not surprised... with current level of hollywood, facebooks, instagram, youtube etc.. and retail fx for sure If you had even 1/1000 of those resources under your cap and knowing how to trade it, you would clearly understand how funny this looks. The only "opportunity" I see is for you to grow up and one day understand how stupid it is to pretend to be someone you're not.. In fact you are the ego striker, I am just a normal guy that has burned for years in those trading shits and can smell fakers from a thousand miles. It is really none of my business, but I just happened to come across your thread and couldn't stand how funny it is. I bet your inbox will be full of newbies dying to learn your million dollar secrets. Hope that gives you the self-esteem you are looking to build! All the best.
  • #7
  • Mar 27, 2017 7:31am Mar 27, 2017 7:31am
I met few professional traders like you claims. They posted some statistics, I created EAs for their demands (for free ofc.), created dozens more modifications which absolutely changed first strategy, proved that they are nothing more than lucky in short period of time, and they quietly disappear.
So what I get from them? Big experience for future, I call it "dont trust to someone blindly, nobody in this business will make you reach, the opposite is true"
  • #8
  • Mar 27, 2017 10:40am Mar 27, 2017 10:40am
LOL

Comedy factory at its best when some noobs pretend to have millions.
  • #9
  • Mar 28, 2017 4:59pm Mar 28, 2017 4:59pm
Quoting The-Flipper
LOL Comedy factory at its best when some noobs pretend to have millions.
Comedy factory at its best when clowns don't recognise experience dangling right in front of them. 95% of the trouble with this place is that novice traders don't have the nous to discern what is genuine versus hokey nonsense. There's a a few nobbers around here that are running 'education courses' (seriously) who know slightly less than zilch about the markets, and they've got more interest than this thread. Ridiculous.

Good luck Katrooo, and if you find someone appropriate, throw them my way after you're done!
  • #10
  • Mar 28, 2017 5:55pm Mar 28, 2017 5:55pm
Quoting triphop
{quote} Comedy factory at its best when clowns don't recognise experience dangling right in front of them. 95% of the trouble with this place is that novice traders don't have the nous to discern what is genuine versus hokey nonsense. There's a a few nobbers around here that are running 'education courses' (seriously) who know slightly less than zilch about the markets, and they've got more interest than this thread. Ridiculous. Good luck Katrooo, and if you find someone appropriate, throw them my way after you're done!
The manner you're instructing the OP to "throw them my way after you're done" tells me that you generally have a lot of highly pressurized venom that you're ready to pump spray into someone's face so I'm just going to try and make this quick.

In short, I think that no one really cares that you work in the industry because it doesn't help or affect their bottom line.

For instance, do you think this guy needs to even make a complete sentence if he is in need of someone to collaborate with? No because he has (shown) results to assert himself and consequently, everyone is intently listening.

If you want the attention of talented people to collaborate with, prove your worth because in actuality, there's only one thing that you're proving by labeling people as "clowns" and "nobbers."
  • #11
  • Mar 29, 2017 12:21am Mar 29, 2017 12:21am
Quoting katrooo
There is no financial reward I am offering for this, but it is rather for someone very hungry to learn & evolve who is willing to do the coding work What I am looking for: - very advanced EA coding skills..... I prefer someone who is working on trading / coding EAs full-time, or at least can spend several hours a day working on new ideas....... Pattern recognition coding skills a big plus.......
I don't doubt your trading credentials, and agree that genuinely robust edges are rare. But -- and I mean no offense -- if you want a world class coder to work exclusively for you, you should be willing to pay top industry rates, especially as it seems you're in a position to do so. I accept that expert FX knowledge is valuable, but trading also necessitates a decent amount of starting capital and almost superhuman amounts of nerve, patience, resilience and stamina. A programmer shouldn't be expected to turn himself into a world class trader AND put his own savings at risk, to have any chance of being compensated for his work; like any other profession he should be paid for his time and expertise as the development unfolds. Especially if you are also denying him the opportunity to sell the resulting product, should the arrangement otherwise not work out for him.

Just my 2 cents, after 20+ years in corporate software development, 15 years in the financial markets, and as the author of 400+ MT4 EAs and indicators.
  • #12
  • Edited 1:36am Mar 29, 2017 1:12am | Edited 1:36am
b) I want someone who is doing it because he is hungry to succeed, not a brainless pure programmer who just implements everything I tell him and nothing more because he is getting paid for his coding job. I want to work with someone who can do the extra mile and also do some thinking behind the concepts, and the only way to achieve that is not pay him for the coding part, his/her compensation would be the experience, new knowledge and the end product.


This will not attract the caliber of people you require.

"Hungry to succeed"
"Going the extra mile"
(wage is low but) "compensation would be the experience"

Is this a job at Mcdonald's ?
  • #13
  • Mar 29, 2017 2:05am Mar 29, 2017 2:05am
Quoting TGS
{quote} The manner you're instructing the OP to "throw them my way after you're done" tells me that you generally have a lot of highly pressurized venom that you're ready to pump spray into someone's face so I'm just going to try and make this quick. In short, I think that no one really cares that you work in the industry because it doesn't help or affect their bottom line. For instance, do you think this guy needs to even make a complete sentence if he is in need of someone to collaborate...
Lol, OK. Industry exp. doesn't equal profitable, but it has one edge over 99.9% of the people here - time in the markets. Almost all of the posters on FF these days are squeezing in time in between jobs and their cumulative market time is a fraction of anyone who's on it every single day. Day in day out for years. You still should *always* check credentials of anyone you're working with, that goes without saying.

Last time I was here at FF people were fawning over over some guy who was claiming to trade millions who was clearly a blag artist and yet nearly noone called him out. I come back several months later and the reverse is going on; it's madness

And Hanover, I know you're a fine highly-experienced programmer but I disagree. Having outsourced paid trading dev. before it's a different ball game to what's being asked here. This is one of those few industries where knowledge IS the capital because it can be leveraged all by itself. Outsource is limited by both lead time and your ability to share. Like most other actual traders, I outsourced by splitting up component parts to different people which works enough but it is limited. The next level requires a huge amount of trust to give over trading elements you've worked on for *years*, and for that, you want to see skin in the game.
  • #14
  • Mar 29, 2017 2:31am Mar 29, 2017 2:31am
Quoting triphop
{quote} Comedy factory at its best when clowns don't recognise experience dangling right in front of them. 95% of the trouble with this place is that novice traders don't have the nous to discern what is genuine versus hokey nonsense. There's a a few nobbers around here that are running 'education courses' (seriously) who know slightly less than zilch about the markets, and they've got more interest than this thread. Ridiculous. Good luck Katrooo, and if you find someone appropriate, throw them my way after you're done!
Obviously you're the clown who can't smell BS.
  • #15
  • Mar 29, 2017 2:52am Mar 29, 2017 2:52am
Me and my friend have the opposite problem. Coding is no problem, time is no (big) problem, experience with trading is no problem. Funds are the problem

Honestly I think you will have a hard time finding someone with what you are offering in return. Let's say you find someone and together you develop some succesfull system. Then you go your way using the system you developed together. And using big money you get rich, the other guy stays in the dust.

This offer may be interesting for some novice traders. Good luck
  • #16
  • Edited 1:00pm Mar 29, 2017 5:09am | Edited 1:00pm
Quoting triphop
I disagree.
I suspect a major reason we disagree is because you're seeing it from the OP's viewpoint, rather than the programmer's.

Expert market knowledge doesn't pay your bills unless you have the wherewithal (experience, aptitude, mindset, emotional makeup, starting capital, access to privileged information, access to low cost/low latency platforms, ....) necessary to translate it into dollars. Moreover, trading and programming require vastly different skill sets. As a programmer, a few years ago I might have sold my soul for an opportunity like this, but now I believe I know better. With technology being where it's currently at, there are plenty of less problematic business opportunities out there for the savvy IT entrepreneur.

Quoting PiranoTrader
Me and my friend have the opposite problem. Coding is no problem, time is no (big) problem, experience with trading is no problem. Funds are the problem
Everybody's situation is different. I have time, funds, a background in IT, and some market knowledge, but I lack the confidence needed to trade decent size positions.
But that's fine, I'm happy for FX to remain an occasional hobby.

Quoting Mingary
This will not attract the caliber of people you require.
I suspect that you're right. And I see his offer as being very one-sided, as I already indicated. But I also concede that the OP is entitled to offer the position on whatever terms he wishes, just as any programmer who finds those terms repulsive can rightfully decline the offer. There's nothing inherently wrong with freedom of choice.
  • #17
  • Mar 29, 2017 3:50pm Mar 29, 2017 3:50pm
Quoting feline207
People these days have millions for nothing. I am not surprised... with current level of hollywood, facebooks, instagram, youtube etc.. and retail fx for sure If you had even 1/1000 of those resources under your cap and knowing how to trade it, you would clearly understand how funny this looks. The only "opportunity" I see is for you to grow up and one day understand how stupid it is to pretend to be someone you're not.. In fact you are the ego striker, I am just a normal guy that has burned for years in those trading shits and can smell...
I did not say I have millions, but that I manage millions for the clients of my company - those are 2 very different things. That's the only part of your post I can respond to, because all the rest is rubbish.

I wish you a really good life, more money, less negativity, less hate and less conspiracy theories
  • #18
  • Mar 29, 2017 3:53pm Mar 29, 2017 3:53pm
Quoting TGS
{quote} I'm not sure if you're open to suggestions but I would say the best thing would be to just hire someone. Hiring someone with pay could start the process of exchanging value because at the very least it would force a path of communication. Then, if the person you've hired sees any value in what you have to say, perhaps the type of relationship that you're looking for could get established at that point. I don't think there's such a thing as fast friends (especially this business). If you're excited about something and want to share it with...
I appreciate that your post is not being offensive as from some other people around. And it's a fair point, but as I already explained there are reasons why I wouldn't do it the way you suggest and I won't change my mind. It's very simple I think, it's just an offer and I am not forcing anyone to do anything for me, it's just a matter of free will.
  • #19
  • Mar 29, 2017 3:55pm Mar 29, 2017 3:55pm
Quoting miro1360
I met few professional traders like you claims. They posted some statistics, I created EAs for their demands (for free ofc.), created dozens more modifications which absolutely changed first strategy, proved that they are nothing more than lucky in short period of time, and they quietly disappear. So what I get from them? Big experience for future, I call it "dont trust to someone blindly, nobody in this business will make you reach, the opposite is true"
No vidis, tak to ma mrzi, asi si mal smolu na ludi Dufam ze ti to nabuduce vyjde.
  • #20
  • Mar 29, 2017 3:58pm Mar 29, 2017 3:58pm
Quoting triphop
{quote} Comedy factory at its best when clowns don't recognise experience dangling right in front of them. 95% of the trouble with this place is that novice traders don't have the nous to discern what is genuine versus hokey nonsense. There's a a few nobbers around here that are running 'education courses' (seriously) who know slightly less than zilch about the markets, and they've got more interest than this thread. Ridiculous. Good luck Katrooo, and if you find someone appropriate, throw them my way after you're done!
Mike, do you remember? Once you told me that even if Ray Dalio came on this site people here would be making fun of him. You are definitely right. Nevermind, I hope you are doing great (as usual). I will certainly let you know if I come across someone decent.
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