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  • #2,501
  • Feb 6, 2017 12:50am Feb 6, 2017 12:50am
Hello everyone

Thought for the day.....

Today I begin a new life...
Today I shed my old life which has too long suffered..
Suffered the bruises of failure and wounds of mediocrity...
Today I am born anew by choice and my birthplace is a vineyard...
A vineyard where there is provision, supply and abundance of all i want, all i need.
Today....

Author unknown.

Have a great trading week everyone.
Trade in beast mode!!

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #2,502
  • Feb 6, 2017 2:45am Feb 6, 2017 2:45am
Hello Act and other .Odrazu sorry for my english but I use google translator. Long have I read about it and decided to show up and ask if I understand the determination of zones? I believe that most of the problems I have with the selection of the entry into the bargain.And this is my zone.Regards
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my dream Australia.....
  • #2,503
  • Feb 6, 2017 3:13am Feb 6, 2017 3:13am
Is it possible investment in the zone, power supply H1?
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  • #2,504
  • Feb 6, 2017 7:34am Feb 6, 2017 7:34am
Hello everyone

Weekly : A big curve and a smaller one under the Supply zone. The momentum trendnline is downward.
H4 : Entry under the Supply zone. The trend is down and the momentum trendnline has broken.
D1 : Target at the next Demand zone and R : R = 1: 4

I took similar trades in AUDJPy ang CADJPY.

Have a good day
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  • #2,505
  • Edited 11:41am Feb 6, 2017 8:23am | Edited 11:41am
Quoting darko40
Hello Act and other .Odrazu sorry for my english but I use google translator. Long have I read about it and decided to show up and ask if I understand the determination of zones? I believe that most of the problems I have with the selection of the entry into the bargain.And this is my zone.Regards {image} {image} {image}
Hello darko40

We are in the same trade (see post 2.461). Good luck.

Could you please post the indicators that we see on your charts?

Thanks
  • #2,506
  • Edited 8:56am Feb 6, 2017 8:39am | Edited 8:56am
Quoting Elios
Hello everyone Thanks Atk for your efforts to make us learn the SAD method. I will try to learn the new strategy but I use some indicators from my previus strategy. Hope you dont mind. Entry and ST in H4. TP in D1. {image} {image}
The andventures of a trader : I am waiting for 6 whole days ....an exercise of patience !!
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  • #2,507
  • Feb 6, 2017 6:10pm Feb 6, 2017 6:10pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone Thought for the day..... Today I begin a new life... Today I shed my old life which has too long suffered.. Suffered the bruises of failure and wounds of mediocrity... Today I am born anew by choice and my birthplace is a vineyard... A vineyard where there is provision, supply and abundance of all i want, all i need. Today.... Author unknown. Have a great trading week everyone. Trade in beast mode!! Best wishes
Just what I wanted. Thank you for inspiring again and again.
Stay Simple, Stay Content.
  • #2,508
  • Feb 6, 2017 8:27pm Feb 6, 2017 8:27pm
Quoting darko40
Hello Act and other .Odrazu sorry for my english but I use google translator. Long have I read about it and decided to show up and ask if I understand the determination of zones? I believe that most of the problems I have with the selection of the entry into the bargain.And this is my zone.Regards {image} {image} {image}
Hello darko40
Welcome to T.I.O.F I don't think we have met, (maybe we have, not sure )

Thank you for sharing your charts.
I found nothing wrong with your levels, i have pretty much the same as well.
Still watching this pair

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #2,509
  • Feb 6, 2017 8:39pm Feb 6, 2017 8:39pm
Quoting Elios
Hello everyone Weekly : A big curve and a smaller one under the Supply zone. The momentum trendnline is downward. H4 : Entry under the Supply zone. The trend is down and the momentum trendnline has broken. D1 : Target at the next Demand zone and R : R = 1: 4 I took similar trades in AUDJPy ang CADJPY. Have a good day {image} {image} {image}
Hello Elios
Thank you so much for sharing your trades.

A note on the trend lines if i may,

When drawing trend lines within the S.A.D methodology, the rule is to use the two most recent peak when drawing a downward momentum line, and for upward momentum lines, the 2 most recent troughs or pivot lows.
By "most recent" we mean the peaks and troughs closest to current price

Going by those definitions, the daily trend line you have is spot on but those on the other time frames aren't.

In addition, the trades appear to have been taken short with the weekly still in an uptrend, at a time when the daily momentum was still up. (one thing that helped was that daily demand had been removed, which was good. However the supply that removed the daily demand was higher up)
I am afraid though the trade worked (which i am glad for), it would not have been considered using the top down process within the S.A.D rules

With the weekly still in an uptrend, momentum still up on the daily, going short is not a consideration, following the rules of S.A.D

I write this not to upset you or pick on you, please understand that. i hope by now everyone knows i don't have any interest in that type of thing.

I write it as a learning point for us all who are reading the thread.

Process over outcomes. Outcomes are irrelevant to us because they are out of our control. Process is key because that is all we can control.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #2,510
  • Feb 6, 2017 9:26pm Feb 6, 2017 9:26pm
Quoting Elios
{quote} The andventures of a trader : I am waiting for 6 whole days ....an exercise of patience !! {image}
Hello Elios.
I am sure you are already thinking this is AKT picking on me again...honest, i am not.
I am really trying to get everyone reading the thread to understand the rules and their application properly
I am very keen on readers and participants getting an clear understanding of the rules
As you know, the methodology I use is steeped in defined rules and the thread was started for the demonstration of the application of those rules
I am sure you understand

So on the USDJPY..
Again, i am glad it has worked out for you
Please see the picture below as to why it is not a short that would have met criteria for entry according to the rules within the methodology.

I hope you understand this is for educational purposes and not an attempt to hurt your feelings
I do apologize if that is how it comes across.

best wishes
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  • #2,511
  • Feb 6, 2017 10:00pm Feb 6, 2017 10:00pm
Hello everyone

Some thoughts to consider.

best wishes
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  • #2,512
  • Feb 6, 2017 11:53pm Feb 6, 2017 11:53pm
Hello everyone

Thought for the day...

"Those who cannot(will not) change their minds cannot(will not) change anything
Progress is impossible without change"......George Bernard Shaw.


So, are you still focused on changing the outside (effects, results, outcomes), when the real work is in changing the inside (the cause)?


best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #2,513
  • Feb 7, 2017 12:04am Feb 7, 2017 12:04am
Akt, Thank you for your answer. Mó problem is the same input, or you can bring more to the entrance of investments? Regards.
my dream Australia.....
  • #2,514
  • Feb 7, 2017 12:05am Feb 7, 2017 12:05am
Hi everyone hope every is fine and well ! I'm just posting charts for analysis purposes from the USDJPY would love feed back on these timeframes and the potential trades that occurred within the daily zone of the 1 hour chart. All feedback is very , very much appreciated i know you all have your own charts to attend to . I hope someday i can repay favour a thousand times. AKT than you for the feedback on the gold charts on friday have taken all on board and have learned much from that feedback. Thank You so much! Please analyse and scrutinise as much as possible the feedback is priceless for me and i'm sure for all on the forum.

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We have one life make the most of it!
  • #2,515
  • Feb 7, 2017 1:44am Feb 7, 2017 1:44am
Do I understand it right? Wait zone H1 to sell? I Am completely wrong directions?
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  • #2,516
  • Feb 7, 2017 3:27am Feb 7, 2017 3:27am
Okazało się to być złym kierunku? Czy lepiej?
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  • #2,517
  • Feb 7, 2017 3:39am Feb 7, 2017 3:39am
Hey guys,

So I've been following this thread from the shadows for about 2 months now and I've wanted to officially join the group with a first post but could find a valuable input to share. So the technique has been treating me very well so far but it seems like the last week or so have been a bit rougher and then it hit me, what better way to introduce myself to the group than with a losing trade!?

So I believe getting roasted a bit for my mistakes is a great way to learn and I'd really like to commit to this thread so here we go:

This was a CADJPY long

My sequence went like so

W: seems to bit in a bit of a range, BUT Demand is still in control (or so it seems).
D: Strong demand zone (Maybe a reaction to zone to the left).
H4: Strong move away from demand zone within a D demand zone.

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Did I miss anything or was my S/L simply a bit too short?

Thanks AKT for this great technique, even though this one was a loss, S.A.D trading has been great so far. I'll try to post more often.

Regards,
Alex
  • #2,518
  • Feb 7, 2017 4:57am Feb 7, 2017 4:57am
[quote=khaolin;9532671] This was a CADJPY long

Hi khaolin

I think that you did not noticed a) the SZ in the weekly chart and b) that the trend has reversed in the D1 (2 demand zones have canceled and the momentum trendline is down).

I was short in this trade.
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  • #2,519
  • Edited 12:03pm Feb 7, 2017 5:43am | Edited 12:03pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} ....) I am afraid though the trade worked (which i am glad for), it would not have been considered using the top down process within the S.A.D rules With the weekly still in an uptrend, momentum still up on the daily, going short is not a consideration, following the rules of S.A.D
You are welcome Akt

I appreciate the fact that you are a spiritual person, who wants to teach us his method.
So here in forexfactory, you are the teacher and I am the student.
There is no room for my ego here. You can make whatever comment you think in order to teach us. I dont misunderstand you. You are a nice, likeable and kind man. This is the main reason that I participate in your thread.

So back to forex. I saw this curve on MN chart and I entered when the H4 trend was down and the daily momentum trendline had broken. (My sequence is W1-D1-H4)
You think that was an early entry. Ok
I had to wait for the daily trend reversal? Or I had to wait for the weekly trend reversal? What is the rule?
Is there any document, or post in which I can read the rules ?
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  • #2,520
  • Feb 7, 2017 5:57am Feb 7, 2017 5:57am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Elios. I am sure you are already thinking this is AKT picking on me again...honest, i am not. I am really trying to get everyone reading the thread to understand the rules and their application properly I am very keen on readers and participants getting an clear understanding of the rules As you know, the methodology I use is steeped in defined rules and the thread was started for the demonstration of the application of those rules I am sure you understand So on the USDJPY.. Again, i am glad it has worked out for you Please see the...
I know that it was a counter- trend trade. Ok I aggree.
If I had done the multitimeframe analysis (like you), I would not have entered in this risky trade.
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