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  • #21
  • Edited Nov 18, 2013 5:55am Nov 17, 2013 2:10pm | Edited Nov 18, 2013 5:55am
I have started to make a chart engine, but haven't found good data provider.

That would be to nice to find an mt4 server api documentation an if I could wrap into my Android code.

- just found one:
it is not steaming, but pulling on request. It is a difference... but I can start with. I am not sure if is a broker at all, so for paper trading / development only.
Shame on current brokers!
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  • #22
  • Edited 3:59pm Nov 18, 2013 3:12pm | Edited 3:59pm
Android SDK->NDK->OpenGL ES 2.0 first candle with solid color ( fastest possible)

FHD phone ( 1080x1920 resolution)
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10" tablet: - some low resolution(1200x800), not sure if I want to support it.
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I will try some color shaders to have gradient, border for candle.

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@Override
 public void onDrawFrame(GL10 gl) {
  long start = System.currentTimeMillis();
  LibJNIWrapper.rendererOnDrawFrame();
  long end = System.currentTimeMillis();
  
  Log.e("Renderer", "onDrawFrame() took: "+ (end-start)+" millisec (-1e6)");
 }

}

Here is the log: - the libchartengine log is at NDK side.
The test is made on a Samsung Galaxy s4 Chinese CLONE!, not the original one!!! => a lot weaker CPU a lot weaker GPU!!! - it is a little better than Samsung galaxy s2 but not so good as the S3, but has the screen resolution and memory amount as the S4.

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1-2 milliseconds, sometimes even under.

Why .. WHY can't make similar result brokers with spending 50k + on software developments?!
Aka Oanda, Dukascopy and so on.... None of than want to employ me, allow to fix they shit: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...53#post6423253

Just wonder nobody want to use the android because has no features and is slow.

Because they has a stupid product manager, who doesn't care about software performance and user experience, because he is not responsible completely for his decisions.
Because first need a HR interview before they allow to code what they want to do what do you want to do.
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  • #23
  • Nov 18, 2013 6:42pm Nov 18, 2013 6:42pm
Quoting matheszabi
Android SDK->NDK->OpenGL ES 2.0 first candle with solid color ( fastest possible) FHD phone ( 1080x1920 resolution) {image} 10" tablet: - some low resolution(1200x800), not sure if I want to support it. {image} I will try some color shaders to have gradient, border for candle. @Override public void onDrawFrame(GL10 gl) { long start = System.currentTimeMillis(); LibJNIWrapper.rendererOnDrawFrame(); long end = System.currentTimeMillis(); Log.e("Renderer", "onDrawFrame() took: "+ (end-start)+" millisec (-1e6)"); } } Here is the log: - the libchartengine...

Why don't you use ctrader?? Just google them. Brokers like icmarkets is a great choice.
  • #24
  • Nov 18, 2013 7:33pm Nov 18, 2013 7:33pm
I have deiced to draw 100 candles, and not just 1.
Made a little modification in my NDK code and after the surface is changed than it will initialize the 100 candles ( process is slow , relative, but only once needed)
it will calculate how much width has the canvas divide in equals and draw 100 dummy candles.

My phone OS is full of warnings and stupid messages, because of a bug in Android 4.2, thats why I have used the tablet:

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and the benchmark:
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I know that has better processor and better gpu and lower resolution, so I went to my phone:
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and the log:
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Yeah my phone is the best in the World, it is a million dolar device....
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or not... I told it is a little better than S2 and not so good as s3

5-6 millisec at full screen redraw, 100 candles,yeah!
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  • #25
  • Nov 19, 2013 8:07am Nov 19, 2013 8:07am
Quoting matheszabi
I have started to make a chart engine, but haven't found good data provider. That would be to nice to find an mt4 server api documentation an if I could wrap into my Android code.
Can't you stream mt4 data from your PC to the phone via tcp/ip?
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  • #26
  • Edited 9:01am Nov 19, 2013 8:25am | Edited 9:01am
Another simple method:

Load some tick data to your phone; write simple tick-server, i.e. (pseudo-code):

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tick_server_thread:
  last_tick_time = ticks[0].time
   for tick : ticks
       tick_server_thread.sleep(tick.time - last_tick_time)
       draw_tread.resume(tick)
       last_tick_time = tick.time
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  • #27
  • Nov 19, 2013 12:12pm Nov 19, 2013 12:12pm
Quoting rockit
{quote} Can't you stream mt4 data from your PC to the phone via tcp/ip?
That I am trying.
It is a"DDE" and with that should be possible somehow... maybe I need to write an EA for that too.
As I saw it will export to an excel file.

Not sure how, where , which files need to create to do it with the EA.

Somehow with investor password I should be able to connect to even to my account and see trades, prices and maybe get different timeframe charts too, as how it is done the FF's Trade explorer.

There is an api, which claims he can connect to mt4 server without the client.
Since it is not official, I will not pay more than 1 usd for that.
They are requesting 6k for the source code. For sure I will not pay for a maybe working code, a maybe readable for me ( Russian are selling, so maybe the code is in Russian, which is useless for me) and for sure it is not from MT4, so the MT4 in the next day can change his api and the 6k usd source code become useless in a seconds.

Mt4 brokers with server license and support and whatever they pay to run they server why aren't allowed to make an API at they server and broadcast the quotes from MT4 server? - if they have signed a NDA with MT4 and can't tell the server API...
That would be they interest to target more customers!
Once the account is filled and they client are using the MT4 the same bandwidth is used to they API, so can't claim for the plus 100$ internet extra bandwidth required to run up a service.

1-2 senior developer in a few month can do the hard work for the api and a few middle the test cases.
If I would have a brokerage company I could make it from 20-50k for sure a decent API, depends where want to employ.

Instead of this need to hack, reverse engine they platform... what an IT managers...and product managers...

Hey CEO's please if you want oral sex at office take 1-2 sluts, even boys if you are gay, but don't employ stupid IT managers, product managers for your pleasure! Take some, who is trading and whiling to receive his full salary and use it at that platform for which he is responsible! I bet instantly will be improved the software products!
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  • #28
  • Nov 19, 2013 1:10pm Nov 19, 2013 1:10pm
I have used mt4's dde service to transfer quotes from mt4 to my java terminal; however dde data is very limited in that it does not contain a time stamp and so on.
But one can use a tcp connection; there is code for client/server on code base.
For testing purposes using a historical tick data file is the least pain.
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  • #29
  • Nov 19, 2013 9:46pm Nov 19, 2013 9:46pm
Quoting rockit
For testing purposes using a historical tick data file is the least pain.
And what data you got? tick-tick, which is a price modification. How to make a 4h candle? -store or cache, convert those ticks. Building a daily chart from candles uncached...around 40 candles on chart: Lets do some investigations:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=202261

in 1 min 15 ticks (sometimes per seconds I see 3-4....) , but lets go with: 24 h x 60 m x 15 tick = 864000 tick/day and I need 4 of those , x 40 = 864 000 well, can be built and cached... It is a few megabytes only... Not sure at what speed will read from internal memory, maybe is faster to read from http server, anyways I can allocate those 10 megabytes for all ticks and form there make the Daily, 8h, 4h, 1h, 30m, 15m, 5m, 1m charts.

8 charts x 40 candles x 4 data OHLC = to few to worry about storage.

This was the greatest idea until now! Thanks Rockit!

At Dukascopy desktop it is a request and the sever sends the result. Hm, wondering why. 10Mb in a desktop environment is a nothing...

Sooner or later I will make a brokerage company to have an optimised software ) Probably I and other 3-4 will the the clients )
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  • #30
  • Nov 20, 2013 1:28am Nov 20, 2013 1:28am
I mean for testing purposes only, you would not need to build higher time frames, only small, say, M1 or less.
If you need pre-built candles then you can export from mt4 or jforex to a file in binary format (instead of csv).
Well, if you use jforex then you can run your test program as a strategy within jforex and use its api to get candle/tick data, open a frame/panel and draw your stuff there..
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  • #31
  • Nov 20, 2013 4:32am Nov 20, 2013 4:32am
I store my candles in binary format, no compression. I store the O,H,L,C of course but also the open time, close time, time of the high, time of the low, the number of up and down ticks and the maximum spread that occurred during the candle. 48 bytes per candle. My M1 history for E/U is 188 Mb, H4 is 893Kb and D1 is 175Kb. All the candles (M1, M5, M15, H1, H4, D1, W1, renko-20, range-10 and range-20) of all the ~80 instruments: 15Gb

Wi-Fi consumes a lot, cache as much as you can to save the battery.
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  • #32
  • Dec 2, 2013 11:10am Dec 2, 2013 11:10am
Also Spotware (cTrader) has quite advanced its Connect Open API as of late. Looks promising. It is not done yet but can be already tested.
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  • #33
  • Jan 10, 2017 5:42am Jan 10, 2017 5:42am
has anyone found a good fix api broker? if so help needed
  • #34
  • Jan 31, 2017 7:46am Jan 31, 2017 7:46am
Quoting supershahfx
has anyone found a good fix api broker? if so help needed
Hi Everyone. Just to let you know that cTrader provides a FIX API with any live or demo account without any minimum requirements. If your broker has cTrader you will be able to get access to a FIX API without having to make a large deposit or commit to a large amount of volume.

Many thanks,
cTrader Team.
cTrader, a premium trading platform trusted by over 11M traders worldwide
  • #35
  • Feb 1, 2017 1:29pm Feb 1, 2017 1:29pm
Quoting cTrader
{quote} Hi Everyone. Just to let you know that cTrader provides a FIX API with any live or demo account without any minimum requirements. If your broker has cTrader you will be able to get access to a FIX API without having to make a large deposit or commit to a large amount of volume. Many thanks, cTrader Team.
I haven't used ctrader as yet, as I am currently trading through MT4 however I will share my thoughts once I test it. Anyways thanks for sharing..!!
  • #36
  • Feb 2, 2017 12:55pm Feb 2, 2017 12:55pm
Quoting cTrader
{quote} Hi Everyone. Just to let you know that cTrader provides a FIX API with any live or demo account without any minimum requirements. If your broker has cTrader you will be able to get access to a FIX API without having to make a large deposit or commit to a large amount of volume. Many thanks, cTrader Team.
Hello ctrader,

What is the performance of your fix api compare with PRO fix API (Hotspot / Currenex ...) ? have you a matching engine in NY ?

Regards
  • #37
  • Feb 3, 2017 7:35am Feb 3, 2017 7:35am
Quoting surfeur
{quote} What is the performance of your fix api compare with PRO fix API (Hotspot / Currenex ...) ? have you a matching engine in NY ? Regards
Hello. The cTrader FIX API is used for interfacing with your cTrader account, which then sends orders to your broker. cTrader is hosted in London LD5. The performance is fantastic, even with cTrader server in London and a Liquidity Provider in New York we have seen orders submitted, matched and confirmed back in under 100ms.

The major benefit you get here is being able to maintain a regular trading account and attributes from your broker which you would not normally get through FIX API.

1. Leverage - usually up to 1:500
2. Small deposit - usually above $200
3. Hedging Account - or a netting account
4. Option to view FIX API account in a useful trading platform (cTrader) with charts and manual order management tools

Thanks.
cTrader, a premium trading platform trusted by over 11M traders worldwide
  • #38
  • Feb 3, 2017 9:45am Feb 3, 2017 9:45am
Quoting cTrader
{quote} Hello. The cTrader FIX API is used for interfacing with your cTrader account, which then sends orders to your broker. cTrader is hosted in London LD5. The performance is fantastic, even with cTrader server in London and a Liquidity Provider in New York we have seen orders submitted, matched and confirmed back in under 100ms. The major benefit you get here is being able to maintain a regular trading account and attributes from your broker which you would not normally get through FIX API. 1. Leverage - usually up to 1:500 2. Small deposit...
thanks for you answer !

Any plan to add engine matching in NY ? because 100ms is too high :/
  • #39
  • Mar 15, 2017 11:18am Mar 15, 2017 11:18am
Unfortuantely cTrader does not do business with any US brokers. Furthermore, they do not allow non-US brokers to offer their platform to US residents. I have asked both some offshore brokers and Spotware (cTrader) for an explanation, but have gotten no responses. A stonewalling "you will be blocked" or no response at all is the only response I ever receive.

All I want is to find a broker that will allow me to stream price data and place orders via API. So far I have found none that meet my requirements. They fall into one or more of these categories:

A. Do not work with US residents
B. Require a minimum $50,000 account (or so)
C. Disreputable/scammer/market maker/etc

Granted my search is not over, but so far I am very discouraged, and my gut wrenches at having to go through the hassle of jury-rigging various platforms together just to automate my trading strategy the way I would like. It seems finding a broker that suits me will prove harder than finding a winning trading strategy.
  • #40
  • Last Post: Jul 22, 2018 2:21am Jul 22, 2018 2:21am
Quoting pipshunt
hi guys ! I Looking for API Broker with FIX protocol Some brokers like FXCM require 5000 usd balance to have access to their API ... other ASIC brokers wanna 50 000 USD... What is best solution for FIX API ? who knows ? Thx
Any cTrader account will do (free). See also here: https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...43#post9520243
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