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Jan 26, 2017 3:59am

Quoting RondaRousey

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More countries are looking to exit the EU. Refugees are flooding Europe and most european countries now do not want them. Open boarders has limitations. The doors are closing. The refugee contagion has spread throughout europe. If europeans do not help the refugees they become violent and desperate. They commit crimes. Tough situation. The Brexit vote was a vote to stop immigration.

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Refugees to the Schengen area, ie the vast majority of western continental Europe, HAVE NO RIGHT TO ENTER THE UK. That is limited to CITIZENS of the EU.
This is one of the great lies and obfuscations that have been employed by the proponents of Brexit in the entirely spurious claim that refugees entering the Schengen area of the EU represented a threat to the UK borders.
Your comment suggest an unclear understanding of this.. Apologies if Im wrong.

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Jan 26, 2017 4:42am

A little just a little PERSPECTIVE...??

Last year 287,000* non-EU migrants entered the UK legally for a long-term stay of 12 months or more. This was again and as always, greater than the entire number of EU citizens entering the UK.

THis Non-EU migration was entirely under the control of the UK government, unproscribed by any EU treaty obligations.
But HEY.. we have a BIG problem with 7000 illegals in over 3 years arriving by ferry from Europe.. and Hey.. that all europes FAULT.
B*stards! I can see why some brexiteers are SO angry.

*source InFacts / UK Migration Observatory

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Jan 26, 2017 5:01am

A report by LSE in 2013 found that crime actually fell significantly in areas that had experienced mass immigration from eastern Europe, with rates of burglary, vandalism and car theft down since 2004.
The research concluded that there was “no causal impact of immigration on crime…contrary to the ‘immigration causes crime’ populist view expressed in some media and political debate”.

More Alt-Facts.

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Jan 26, 2017 5:56am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Haha what a dirty little game. Lost kitty Paddy persistently propagated Brexit because he knows that this leads to the end of the UK.

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What an interesting theory SoS.
Sort of TripleAgent.. propounding populist EnglishRightWing Nationalism knowing it will alienate the other constituent nations (Scotland/NIreland/Wales (in time).
Could be. Certainly devious enough for that possibility.. LoL

Very John LeCarre..LoL

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Jan 24, 2017 12:23pm — Edited

Quoting althar

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Those are questions...

I was speaking generally and, yes, I could find quite a few elements of populist-like behaviour in May's (and Johnson's) actions since they are in charge of UK govt.

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Nice of you to notice

Every politician does exactly the same. And has the same targets, that we all know...... and fear.
I won't comment further.

Just 2 things - Brexit estimated start 2020.
And what people can stitch 88 comments??

Jan 24, 2017 1:50am

Quoting kingleeny

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this is reallly dumb...they dont even know how to leave the eu before they even did a national vote....uummm...did they think this through? stupid govt people trying to win their votes not caring what the consequences are...just doing what they want the public want to hear.

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So right - remember cameron was so desperate to be the PM on his own not a shared gig with clegg so he promised anything just to get there - and then what he fcks off without closing the door what a really duche bag he was - easy to just walk away and leave such a fcking mess all because he wanted power and people let him have it and voted him in - blame game on the people not the pursuer of power we should know better but we dont.

Jan 24, 2017 3:44am

Quoting UnBearybull

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Maybe the JOKE is that the British still believe that they still have an EMPIRE- I thought all politicians had dispensed with "the truth" nowadays and the biggest bullshtter wins?

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as Devauxt said (The transfer of Hong Kong to China in 1997 marked for many the end of the British Empire.) their is no British empire now my original post was me being sarcastic sorry about the confusion caused

Jan 24, 2017 3:48am

Quoting Boferer

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Good. Because they will leave. However, the UK´s prestige will be tarnished a lot. In the world´s view, the UK was still a somewhat a mere remnant of an empire. When it is going to be "England - the country of the free" THATS, my friend, which will mark the complete and utter end of the English dominion in the history, not the transfer of Honk Kong, but who am I to judge right?

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why do you dislike the English?? because you are coming across a bit like a ex girlfriend did a English men leave you for someone younger??

Jan 24, 2017 4:10am

Quoting Boferer

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Ah, no. I dont dislike the English. I´ve never written a statement where I would deliberately say I dislike them. I am simply fascinated how stubborn some people can be no matter how destructive their actions end up being And, of course, they always come up with some cheeky excuses to try to ridicule the other side

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what do you think will be the most destructive thing for the UK about leaving the EU???

Jan 24, 2017 4:22am

Quoting althar

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Populism has a very clear meaning. Populist ruler picks a single (could be the most important, could be fabricated) issue that people overwhelmingly feel afraid of, or hate, and make it the basis of it's ideology. His answers/solutions to other questions/issues are later improvised on the fly to somehow support his basic raison d'etre. He bends and squeezes reality into this single reason frame succesfully at the beginning, but eventually he finds it harder and harder to provide appropriate answers and complexity of the real life eventually blow...

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Q,Populism has a very clear meaning
populism definition=support for the concerns of ordinary people

Q,Life is just too complicated to be addressed by simple answers
in time's like this I suggest you go to the dictionary definition

Jan 24, 2017 4:41am

Quoting Boferer

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Wow, I dont even know where to start my friend.

Lets put these reasons into a list, shall we? :

1. The loss of the free market within the EU
2. The loss of the trading agreements with the EU which traces back to n. 1
3. Scottland seceding
4. Heavy pressure on the GBP forces radical action which ultimately does not help the economy of the UK(soon to be "England the country of the free")
5. Lack of foreign investment in the country. Who wants to invest in a country where uncertainty rules over the law? As a matter of fact, who wants to...

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thanks for your reply most on here don't backup their statements

Q,1. The loss of the free market within the EU
this is your opinion and not a fact would it not be cutting off the EU nose to spite their face as their is a trade deficit in their favour?

Q,2. The loss of the trading agreements with the EU which traces back to n. 1
it's not in the EU best interests to do this it's a matter of maths not opinion

Q, Scottland seceding
I do not see this happening as their is a crash in oil prices but I think it's more likely Northern Ireland would leave the UK Scotland is going no where they have a good deal being in the UK look into how many vote's the SNP got to seats ration compare with UKIP

Q,Lack of foreign investment in the country. Who wants to invest in a country where uncertainty rules over the law? As a matter of fact, who wants to invest in a country believing they will become the global trade leader with not even single country willing to give them the trading edge in the agreement?
am sure the UK will still attract investment and the uncertainty is short term

Q,What is there for England after Brexit besides chaos
I think a higher standard of living as we will have full control over the borders which will eventually ease the housing crisis and help with the education system/baby boom and also keep us out of any crisis the EU finds it's self in

Jan 24, 2017 4:44am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Q. Whats the difference between "Populism" and Mob Rule?

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Mob rule is the biggest/strongest/best armed group taking control and enforcing their opinion on other. populism is a vote were the most popular opinion win's

Jan 24, 2017 4:50am

Quoting Boferer

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Exactly! The CONCERNS of the ordinary people.

But the concerns do not always have a simple answers my friend. Look at the history of mankind. The last time the rise of populism occured in the ancient Rome, it led to the abolishment of the Roman Republic and the beginning of a bloody period for the Romans which emerged banishing the republic into the abyss and establishing an Empire. POPULISM MAY LEAD TO THE VERY LOSS OF YOUR POLITICAL POWER TO CHANGE ANYTHING

The last time rise of populism occured in Germany, the whole Europe erupted into...

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populism also created the NHS

Jan 24, 2017 5:06am

Quoting althar

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Populism is an ideology, not a vote.

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honestly just google (populism definition) it will say this =support for the concerns of ordinary people

you will see it dose not say anything about ideology were did you find a definition that said (Populism has a very clear meaning. Populist ruler picks a single (could be the most important, could be fabricated) issue that people overwhelmingly feel afraid of, or hate, and make it the basis of his ideology) am intrigue where did you learn this??

Jan 24, 2017 6:03am

Quoting althar

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https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populizem Populizem je protielitistična politična doktrina, ki obstaja tako na levem političnem polu kot na desnem.

Doktrina = doctrine ==> ideology.

Burgeoisie (1917), Jews(1933), immigration(2016).

I lived 30 years under a form of populism, populist ruler and all, and trust me, I know a populism when I see one.

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I think their may be something lost in translation in English populist dose not mean the things your saying it means. here's the English language definition (support for the concerns of ordinary people) this is a sentence you might find it used in (it is clear that your populism identifies with the folks on the bottom of the ladder") it's not aggressive of a from of dictatorship

Jan 25, 2017 12:48am — Edited

Quoting Devauxt

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The EU is Fascist in that it is an authoritarian socialist organisation which has stripped Europe's electorate of its democracy and relegating nations to the status of minor states in favour of the Greater EU, hell bent on the super state that will be the EU

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Then you don't know what fascism is.
The EU is a bloated bureaucratic mildly corrupted organisation.
Not fascist. You will know fascist when you will be beaten in the street with rubber hoses because "you don't look right" or/and when you get taken in the middle of the night and shot dead.

Jan 25, 2017 7:00am

Quoting UnBearybull

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The TWISTING of my beloved language (we forgive yanks as they can't help it) by the posters on here, is painful.

Anyway, remember that we are now in the post-truth age, where words can mean whatever you want, why waste time arguing over definitions?

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"why waste time arguing over definitions"

Because of "new speak" as in the Orwellian sense of this expression.

Jan 26, 2017 5:45am

Quoting RondaRousey

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More countries are looking to exit the EU. Refugees are flooding Europe and most european countries now do not want them. Open boarders has limitations. The doors are closing. The refugee contagion has spread throughout europe. If europeans do not help the refugees they become violent and desperate. They commit crimes. Tough situation. The Brexit vote was a vote to stop immigration.

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in the north of England immigration was a big factor also in Wales it played a part but in the south of England sovereignty was the key issue overall more people voted leave because of sovereignty not immigration. here's a link on people's motives for voting.

(http://www.forexfactory.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2012710&d=1473331074)

Jan 26, 2017 5:55am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Refugees to the Schengen area, ie the vast majority of western continental Europe, HAVE NO RIGHT TO ENTER THE UK. That is limited to CITIZENS of the EU.
This is one of the great lies and obfuscations that have been employed by the proponents of Brexit in the entirely spurious claim that refugees entering the Schengen area of the EU represented a threat to the UK borders.
Your comment suggest an unclear understanding of this.. Apologies if Im wrong.

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here how you can come into the UK from the EU without a passport

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4146246/Terrorists-fast-train-Britain.html

also people can eventually apply for a passport in their new host country and than come to the UK completely legally

Jan 26, 2017 6:26am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Yes great example of the utter incompetence of THE UK BORDER system.
NOTHING TO DO WITH EU or Schengen.

Yeah.. really? key word.. "eventually" Eventually is normally 7 years. Same option is open to the millions of nonUK nationals living in UK? Dont see a big rush.

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Q,NOTHING TO DO WITH EU or Schengen
the main mistake is made in Lille as he was not made to leave the train or have his ticket check

Q,Yeah.. really? key word.. "eventually" Eventually is normally 7 years.
Yeah really in 7 years time how is your statement a rebuttal. what is your point?? I never said they will all be here tomorrow and on benefits my point is eventually they'll be eligible to come to the UK legally

Jan 26, 2017 6:48am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Proposition:
The ECHR imposes unreasonable restrictions on the UK to deport "Foreign" criminals.
By which i assume that thier crime to have been perpetrated in the UK?
For those interested in the extent and REALITY of this much misrepresented "problem"
as distinct from falling sucker to the Alt-Facts slogans ...

Check here:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/does...ous-criminals/

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ok now I understand the EU is a utopia and anyone questioning this a Alt sucker

Jan 26, 2017 6:55am

Quoting Devauxt

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European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years.

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and you can bet Its has cost the UK taxpayer money

Jan 26, 2017 7:08am

Quoting cliffedwards

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MISTAKE? What Now you want France to do the job of our lazy incompetent UK system?
I fall about when I see the mental gymnastics of the euro-skeptics to try to project the failures of our own government and agencies on to EU, France/Belgium etc.

Im told that in 5 million years our sun will go supernova. LoL
My point is ..can we deal with NOW? Since what happens in 7 years time is of such speculative nature as to be irrelevant.

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Q,What Now you want France to do the job
on post 125 you said (Refugees to the Schengen area, ie the vast majority of western continental Europe, HAVE NO RIGHT TO ENTER THE UK. That is limited to CITIZENS of the EU) we just established that this rule can be bent and that they(refugees) can still enter the UK even if it's illegal also that the first mistake was made in France in your head how am I now asking France to do UK border control?? my point is people have valid security fears about the Schengen area what is your point??

Q,Im told that in 5 million years our sun will go supernova. LoL
My point is ..can we deal with NOW? Since what happens in 7 years time is of such speculative nature as to be irrelevant
if people had not been plaining 7 years ahead since the existence of mankind we would still be cleaning our ass with leaves in your personal life have you ever had a mortgage I bet you have and to do that you plan over 7years ahead

Jan 26, 2017 7:38am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Sorry.. I really dont have time for this..

The responsibility for the securing of the UK border is that of the UK Border control Agency... on which UK Tax Payers cost half a MILLION Pounds pa.
According to your example its completely incompetent. Yopur have tried to suggest that the "MISTAKE" in the case occurred in Lille. Which is France.
It is NOT the responsibility of the Direction Centrale de la police aux Frontières to police UK Border policy in Lille.

I cant be arsed responding to the rest of your response.

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Q,I really dont have time for this
funny that

Q,that the "MISTAKE" in the case occurred in Lille. Which is France.
It is NOT the responsibility of the Direction Centrale de la police aux Frontières to police UK Border policy in Lille
as your too busy now and judging by your replies I guess you did not even read the link

Jan 26, 2017 10:47am

Quoting Devauxt

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Back in 2012 Yet when Foreign Office officials formally asked France and Belgian's national rail operators for the so-called ‘Lille Loophole’ to be closed in December, both said no.

One UKBA officer said he stopped two Iranians at Brussels last April because they ‘bore all the hallmarks of Lille loopholers’.

But when Belgian police were called, one officer told the UKBA staff: ‘This has got to stop. You are not in Britain now, you are in Schengen. If they (the Iranians) make a complaint you will be arrested.

Good old EU. France and Belgium...

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but that would mean that the EU dose not have the UK best interests at heart and that can not be true as the EU is a utopia. all jokes aside this dose not surprise

no you don't understand the EU is a utopia I was informed earlier by a very impartial lord by the name of

Jan 26, 2017 12:01pm

Quoting verv

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SoS racist, calling Dev a 'Paddy'.

Clear breach of rules and nothing happening about it.

Alt account, maybe alt account is a MOD or someone working for forexfactory

Not a good look

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do you try and report him for this breach of rules??

Jan 24, 2017 5:05am

Quoting Boferer

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Wow, I dont even know where to start my friend.

Lets put these reasons into a list, shall we? :

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6. What is there for England after Brexit besides chaos?

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.... New Zealand lamb?

Jan 24, 2017 5:25am

Quoting Boferer

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..... The last time rise of populism occurred in Germany, the whole of Europe erupted into a war, and not a pretty one.

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This is a very real concern. The lack of attention paid by the politicians to the wishes and/or concerns of their citizens has brought the current situation into focus. It is happening all over Europe and the US of A, maybe other places too.

Theresa May does seem to be aware of the necessity to be sensitive to the electorate, as does Jeremy Corbyn.

Jan 24, 2017 3:31pm

Finally some explanation.

The reason that there has been so much confusion, or opportunity for political interference, is because Cameron and his clowns did not properly draft the bill which instantiated the referendum back when....

They did not believe they would lose, or they simply did not state a course of action for the case where the outcome was that they lost (i.e. Brexit happens). Therefore now that we face the Brexit situation an Act is required stating what happens next. Don't ya just love it.....

Slipshod government, glad he's gone.

Jan 24, 2017 11:32pm — Edited

Quoting RondaRousey

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So exactly what policies are to be implemented with Brexit? There is no plan just leave the EU because the public voted for it? And put May, who opposed Brexit, as the leader while the leaders of Brexit disappear?

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As verv wrote above, we cannot know in advance the outcome of negotiations.

The situation is very simple, take a step back and consider. The British public voted to decouple from the EU political machine, so that must be done and is quite simple. The effects upon trade and other relationships are where the complexity arises. The plan is also blindingly obvious, get the best deal that is possible.

The debate now to be had should centre on the priorities of bargaining chips to describe which elements can be relaxed in order to gain those things which are considered sacrosanct. The reality will be that bickering will set-in leading to another example of the inability of politicians to achieve.....

As for the Brexit campaigners ..... one has shown himself to be a shill and continues to degrade the establishment which is government ..... one has volunteered to become a significant figure as an ambassador for the UK .... and the former mayor of London was stabbed in the back by the shill, it seems, but continues as a senior cabinet member in a post which should complete his preparation for assuming the top job if he ever gets the chance.

Jan 25, 2017 1:21am

Quoting Mingary

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Then you don't know what fascism is.
The EU is a bloated bureaucratic mildly corrupted organisation.
Not fascist. You will know fascist when you will be beaten in the street with rubber hoses because "you don't look right" or/and when you get taken in the middle of the night and shot dead.

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You mean, as we have seen with the French and Greek police in their dealing with immigrants from the Middle East?

Jan 25, 2017 7:34am

Quoting UnBearybull

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It is not the English as 2nd language people I was aiming at, but 'native-English' who should know better than to argue semantics.

It was sarcastic comment but I don't see any way of countering this new age of B.S we live in.

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I gave up expecting perfect Ingrish a long time ago. There are so many posters (and welcome posters) for whom English is obviously a challenge that I have relaxed to taking the piss out of English-speakers who don't know the subtleties of expressions such as 'uncharted waters'.

Jan 24, 2017 3:56am

Quoting Devauxt

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It is an anathema to me that the Scottish seek independence and when they get it they are going to hand it over to the EU Lol

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You always dictate others what they have to understand, indeed it is you who should start to accept some facts.

Scotland did not want to leave the EU, so they will get their independence by getting out of the UK, who would force them to do sth they do not want. Pretty simple, eh? All your subjective elaborations and "alternative facts" about the EU are mostly of no substance and truly a matter of opinion.

Jan 24, 2017 4:38am

Quoting Devauxt

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No, I don't dictate anything but I do proffer my view based on research and garnered opinion, unlike your good self. My knowledge of the EU, the Lisbon Treaty and other material seems to exceed yours by a long way

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Besides of your disgusting arrogance, once again:

matter of opinion!

Jan 24, 2017 7:20am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Agreed @sickOfScam.

Surreal..
Bit like Goebbels calling the allies Fascist.

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He already showed this ugly face in comments of several news lately. But in the end it is not worth debating on a constructive level with people like him. Especially as he is not showing respect to arguments and opinions of others.

Just let him drown in his nationalism.

Jan 24, 2017 4:16pm

So exactly what policies are to be implemented with Brexit? There is no plan just leave the EU because the public voted for it? And put May, who opposed Brexit, as the leader while the leaders of Brexit disappear?

Jan 24, 2017 6:00pm

Quoting verv

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The leaders of the Brexit campaign would probably like to leading the UK from the EU, but the likes of Nigel Farage is not the government, and the likes of Boris Johnson was beaten by May to the job of Prime Minister.

There is only one policy to be enacted right now, and that is an agreement to trigger article 50.

Other policies will come directly out of the negotiations with the EU, and right now we don't and cannot know what they will be. Such is the nature of a negotiations.

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So basically Brexit but no idea how to do it or when it will actually happen. Brexit is a big mess.

Jan 25, 2017 4:02am

Brexiteer's fear not, this year the EU comes apart anyway, France, Italy, Holland all their populace want out as well.

The Internet is the new printing press , you need not look to hard at history to see what followed Johannes Gutenberg's wonderful invention, the same is now happening post Tim Berners-Lee's

I would not fancy standing in the way of what the masses expect from here on out, only arrogance would allow the "Remainders" to think they still hold a hope.

"Huzzah for Brexit"

Jan 25, 2017 3:08pm

More countries are looking to exit the EU. Refugees are flooding Europe and most european countries now do not want them. Open boarders has limitations. The doors are closing. The refugee contagion has spread throughout europe. If europeans do not help the refugees they become violent and desperate. They commit crimes. Tough situation. The Brexit vote was a vote to stop immigration.

Jan 24, 2017 1:48am

this is reallly dumb...they dont even know how to leave the eu before they even did a national vote....uummm...did they think this through? stupid govt people trying to win their votes not caring what the consequences are...just doing what they want the public want to hear.

Jan 24, 2017 2:36am — Edited

Quoting althar

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Populism is like a blitzkrieg: it wins at first but ultimately loses in the end.

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No difference here between the right and the left one.

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Populism can deliver democracy and freedom, or it can bring tyranny, populism by itself is neither good nor bad. To use the word populism without context is meaningless, yet it is expressed by many without regard for context as always meaning something evil. So let's use a different term that actually means something rather than regurgitate ill conceived, nothing meaning, social media buzz words.

Jan 24, 2017 5:07am — Edited

Quoting althar

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Populism has a very clear meaning. Populist ruler picks a single (could be the most important, could be fabricated) issue that people overwhelmingly feel afraid of, or hate, and make it the basis of his ideology.

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Where does it say that populism requires a 'populist' ruler?
Why does it need to have a 'ruler' at all?
Why is democracy not compatible with populism?
Why did the 'populist' uprising in the American revolution not lead to tyranny?

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His answers/solutions to other questions/issues are later improvised on the fly to somehow support his basic raison d'etre. He bends and squeezes reality into this single reason frame succesfully at the beginning, but eventually he finds it harder and harder to provide appropriate answers and complexity of the real life eventually blow his primitive ideology up. War, launched at the right time, might give a populist a few extra years, but the sore end is inevitable, nevertheless.

Who is 'he'? I have no clue wtf you are talking about, and how this is relevant to this particular piece of news.

Quoting althar

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Populism is an ideology, not a vote.

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No it's not.
Seriously, all you have to do is pick up a dictionary to know you're wrong.
It is a word you are misrepresenting.

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Life is just too complicated to be addressed by simple answers.

The irony.

Jan 24, 2017 5:00pm

Quoting RondaRousey

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So exactly what policies are to be implemented with Brexit? There is no plan just leave the EU because the public voted for it? And put May, who opposed Brexit, as the leader while the leaders of Brexit disappear?

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The leaders of the Brexit campaign would probably like to leading the UK from the EU, but the likes of Nigel Farage is not the government, and the likes of Boris Johnson was beaten by May to the job of Prime Minister.

There is only one policy to be enacted right now, and that is an agreement to trigger article 50.

Other policies will come directly out of the negotiations with the EU, and right now we don't and cannot know what they will be. Such is the nature of a negotiations.

Jan 25, 2017 5:19am

Quoting Exodus

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As verv wrote above, we cannot know in advance the outcome of negotiations.

The situation is very simple, take a step back and consider. The British public voted to decouple from the EU political machine, so that must be done and is quite simple. The effects upon trade and other relationships are where the complexity arises. The plan is also blindingly obvious, get the best deal that is possible.

The debate now to be had should centre on the priorities of bargaining chips to describe which elements can be relaxed in order to gain those...

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This.

Quoting Devauxt

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I still don't understand what you are trying to communicate and I'm sure that many others here are frustrated by the same deficiency in your communications.

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Nor I, stick him on your ignore list. Rebut only those who make sense lol

Jan 26, 2017 9:57am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Haha what a dirty little game. Lost kitty Paddy persistently propagated Brexit because he knows that this leads to the end of the UK.

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Quoting SickOfScam

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One of my favorite writers (... for fun)

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Quoting SickOfScam

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It looks as something burning on your side? CARE = Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere http://www.care.org/

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100% alt account troll, might be paid agent

Jan 26, 2017 10:49am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Haha what a dirty little game. Lost kitty Paddy persistently propagated Brexit because he knows that this leads to the end of the UK.

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SoS racist, calling Dev a 'Paddy'.

Clear breach of rules and nothing happening about it.

Alt account, maybe alt account is a MOD or someone working for forexfactory

Not a good look

Jan 26, 2017 12:11pm

Quoting SickOfScam

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Today rabbits are really amusing. Well nerv, since when we differ kitties by races?

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Ethnic discrimination, whatever you need to be, singling a person out.

Not cool Scammer

Quoting Ross88

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do you try and report him for this breach of rules??

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I havent

Jan 24, 2017 3:19am

Quoting PaulVic

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Out is out, I cant understand why the press keep saying its unclear and why EU think we want to cherry pick. The Law Lords have just voted to ensure the legal system can ride the gravy train for a bit longer.

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Cherry picking is trying to get tariff free access to our single market while "the people" voted out and basically voted against the single market.

Where is the backbone ?

Jan 24, 2017 5:35am

Quoting PaulVic

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Another one not getting the message... We dont want to cherry pick, we dont want to remain in the EU's protectionist system. There is a +£60bn difference between exports to EU an Imports from EU.

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Just leave then, that referendum was ages ago, what's the hold up ?

Jan 26, 2017 4:27am

Quoting Devauxt

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Whilst your comment re Shengen is legally correct, the EU's failure to control its borders has permitted all manner of illegals to mass in Calais and stow away in trucks and trailers. The ECHR then prevents and frustrates the UK from ejecting these undesirables from the UK even when they prove to be hate preachers, war criminals, criminals,rapists and generally "no good toe rags"

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What we need is a ferry boat from Calais to Dover and bring them to their preferred destination.

Jan 24, 2017 4:12am

Quoting verv

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Populism can deliver democracy and freedom, or it can bring tyranny, populism by itself it is neither good nor bad. To use the word populism without context is meaningless, yet it is expressed by many without regard for context as always meaning something evil. So let's use a different term that actually means something rather than regurgitate ill conceived, nothing meaning, social media buzz words.

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Populism has a very clear meaning. Populist ruler picks a single (could be the most important, could be fabricated) issue that people overwhelmingly feel afraid of, or hate, and make it the basis of his ideology. His answers/solutions to other questions/issues are later improvised on the fly to somehow support his basic raison d'etre. He bends and squeezes reality into this single reason frame succesfully at the beginning, but eventually he finds it harder and harder to provide appropriate answers and complexity of the real life eventually blow his primitive ideology up. War, launched at the right time, might give a populist a few extra years, but the sore end is inevitable, nevertheless.

Life is just too complicated to be addressed by simple answers.

Jan 24, 2017 4:32am

Quoting Ross88

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Q,Populism has a very clear meaning
populism definition=support for the concerns of ordinary people

Q,Life is just too complicated to be addressed by simple answers
in time's like this I suggest you go to the dictionary definition

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I'm not a native English speaker, so my dictionary has far different explanation than yours. But what I wrote in my post is what populism really means, not what's it's dictionary definition.

Jan 24, 2017 5:48am

Quoting Ross88

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honestly just google (populism definition) it will say this =support for the concerns of ordinary people you will see it dose not say anything about ideology were did you find a definition that said

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https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populizem Populizem je protielitistična politična doktrina, ki obstaja tako na levem političnem polu kot na desnem.

Doktrina = doctrine ==> ideology.

Quoting Ross88

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(Populism has a very clear meaning. Populist ruler picks a single (could be the most important, could be fabricated) issue that people overwhelmingly feel afraid of, or hate, and make it the basis of his ideology) am intrigue where did you learn this??

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Burgeoisie (1917), Jews(1933), immigration(2016).

I lived 30 years under a form of populism, populist ruler and all, and trust me, I know a populism when I see one.

Jan 24, 2017 6:32am

Quoting Ross88

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I think their may be something lost in translation in English populist dose not mean the things your saying it means. here's the English language definition (support for the concerns of ordinary people) this is a sentence you might find it used in (it is clear that your populism identifies with the folks on the bottom of the ladder") it's not aggressive of a from of dictatorship

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Well there might be a difference between English and Slovenian meaning of this term, might be as well, that there's a difference between English and Continental meaning as is the case for many other terms (take for example phenomenology).

But that's not the point. The point is, that populists (pick better English word here) tend to oversimplify real world problems, trying to find simple solutions which are in accordance with their main intentions. And that's the biggest difference between populism and democracy, both of which claim to "support the concerns of ordinary people". Of course, not all populist movements are a form of dictatorship, mainly because they are never strong or enduring enough to become one.

Try read Ortega y Gasset. His 'hombre masa' concept explains it a lot.

Jan 24, 2017 6:58am

Quoting Devauxt

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Is Brexit populism? Who defined it as such? What do you call an electorate protesting against a Fascist state and against unelected leaders that is the EU. Is that populism or a recovery of democracy?

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Those are questions you, Brits, will have to answer. It's your decision and I don't care much about it, apart from my GBP FX positions, of course.

I was speaking generally and, yes, I could find quite a few elements of populist-like behaviour in May's (and Johnson's) actions since they are in charge of UK govt.

Jan 24, 2017 3:09am

Quoting verv

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Populism can deliver democracy and freedom, or it can bring tyranny, populism by itself it is neither good nor bad. To use the word populism without context is meaningless, yet it is expressed by many without regard for context as always meaning something evil. So let's use a different term that actually means something rather than regurgitate ill conceived, nothing meaning, social media buzz words.

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totally agree. Dictionary definition of Populism "political ideas and activities that are intended to get the support of ordinary people by giving them what they want:"
Is that not the democratic way? where is the negative in that other than that which the media have tagged to it. Given that definition I am a populist and proud of it. It does not make me a racist etc blah blah blah. On that basis the Liberal party and any MP who votes against brexit are undemocratic and should be named so the constituencies know who they are.
If this does not get through, I for one will be a first time UKIP voter next time around. Out is out, I cant understand why the press keep saying its unclear and why EU think we want to cherry pick. The Law Lords have just voted to ensure the legal system can ride the gravy train for a bit longer.

Jan 24, 2017 3:28am

Quoting barkie

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Cherry picking is trying to get tariff free access to our single market while "the people" voted out and basically voted against the single market.

Where is the backbone ?

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Another one not getting the message... We dont want to cherry pick, we dont want to remain in the EU's protectionist system. There is a +£60bn difference between exports to EU an Imports from EU.

Jan 24, 2017 5:10am

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Scotland spent £62 bn but raised just £45 bn — an annual subsidy from the English taxpayer of at least £17 bn. Accountancy firm PWC warned that Scotland was dangerously close to falling into an outright recession, as it downgraded growth forecasts north of the border. I'll let you form your own opinion

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UK Gov gave Scottish Gov £30B to spend in Scotland, spent the rest on Scotland's behalf outwith Scotland.

Jan 26, 2017 5:11am

Haha what a dirty little game. Lost kitty Paddy persistently propagated Brexit because he knows that this leads to the end of the UK.

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bla...bla

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Jan 26, 2017 6:07am

One of my favorite writers (... for fun)

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Very John LeCarre..LoL

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Jan 24, 2017 3:39am

Quoting Ross88

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yes it's very funny LOL good one

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Maybe the JOKE is that the British still believe that they still have an EMPIRE- I thought all politicians had dispensed with "the truth" nowadays and the biggest bullshtter wins?

Jan 24, 2017 4:07am

The main point is that MAY tried to circumvent due process of our Sovereign Parliament...and Sup Court said NO!

Should we allow the Premier of UK to do what they see fit and for whatever purpose without Parliamentary consent? 'NO' is the answer given today.

p.s. Why is the UK so keen to get into bed with Trumps US? Will they give us better deals than the EU? I'm not convinced it would be any better. America First! remember.

Jan 24, 2017 4:38am

This mess is an indicator of what happens when "The People" e.g. Average Joe and Mavis are given more responsibility than they can cope with. Yes, they need a simplistic view on the EU machinations - they wouldn't be able to deal with anything more complex, hence big red busses with Bullsht messages and billboards picturing hordes of 'refugees' on the way to UK.

Jan 25, 2017 6:04am

Quoting Mingary

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Then you don't know what fascism is.
The EU is a bloated bureaucratic mildly corrupted organisation.
Not fascist. You will know fascist when you will be beaten in the street with rubber hoses because "you don't look right" or/and when you get taken in the middle of the night and shot dead.

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The TWISTING of my beloved language (we forgive yanks as they can't help it) by the posters on here, is painful.

Anyway, remember that we are now in the post-truth age, where words can mean whatever you want, why waste time arguing over definitions?

Jan 25, 2017 7:08am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Don't forget that we (almost all EU cit.) speak more than one language and only one of them is English. After all the FF has always been (and remains) international forum.

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It is not the English as 2nd language people I was aiming at, but 'native-English' who should know better than to argue semantics.

It was sarcastic comment but I don't see any way of countering this new age of B.S we live in.

Jan 24, 2017 1:54am

buy the rumor sell the facts, played out perfectly.

Jan 24, 2017 2:32am

Quoting Boferer

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Anyway, Brexit will be destructive for the UK. Funny how the Brits will deliver the final blow to the remains of their empire lol

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yes it's very funny LOL good one

Jan 24, 2017 5:48am

Quoting SickOfScam

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HeHe...a lot of noise and yelling without any plan

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PM me bro

Jan 24, 2017 10:17pm

Quoting Devauxt

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Why?

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Because obviously you don't know what fascism is.. let's hope you never do.

Jan 24, 2017 11:36pm

Quoting Devauxt

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Given that I am capable of reading history and current affairs, your assertion is incorrect

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ok. Then I am sure you understand that the EU is not a fascist state.

Jan 26, 2017 10:48am

Quoting verv

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100% alt account troll, might be paid agent

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who would be paying him??

Jan 24, 2017 3:22am

Quoting Boferer

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Exactly my friend, cant wait when the UK wont be the UK anymore, but will be called the "England - the country of the democracy"

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I quite like "England - the 51st State"

Jan 25, 2017 1:19am

For the sake of clarity, those confused about meanings might usefully read this.

Jan 25, 2017 7:37am

...also, I have tripped up often in the past attempting to use sarcasm, it just does not work without the facial expressions or voice-tone. Therefore I suggest <sarcasm>this might be useful.</sarcasm>

Jan 24, 2017 1:58am

Quoting kingleeny

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this is reallly dumb...they dont even know how to leave the eu before they even did a national vote....uummm...did they think this through? stupid govt people trying to win their votes not caring what the consequences are...just doing what they want the public want to hear.

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It wouldn't have gone to court and article 50 would have been signed in March without parliament's vote if the government hadn't been taking to court. Now it is just adding more uncertainty. If businesses were factoring in for Brexit, now they have to wait for a vote before it goes ahead.

Jan 24, 2017 1:45am

Made my day - as if the whole process is not complicated enough, there is even more unclarity now.

Jan 24, 2017 2:28am

Quoting Devauxt

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The arrogance of the remain camp have left us in this position. Utter failure of the then PM to plan for Brexit, accounts for our current situation. Arrogance in the belief that the electorate would not question the status quo.

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Anyway, Brexit will be destructive for the UK. Funny how the Brits will deliver the final blow to the remains of their empire lol

Jan 24, 2017 2:51am

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Brexit will in the end, be less destructive than than remaining in the EU and those of us who value Democracy over Fascism, will think the temporary inconvenience of the Brexit process is well worth the price versus the continued theft of democracy and spiralling costs of remaining in the EU.

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Exactly my friend, cant wait when the UK wont be the UK anymore, but will be called the "England - the country of the democracy"

Jan 24, 2017 3:01am

Quoting Devauxt

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I'd like to understand how you extrapolate that conclusion, especially given that there is no empire

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See? There used to be empire - since the Brits have followed such a good streak of decisions in a row, there is none now. I wanted to say that this is yet another one of the Britain´s decision which will ultimately, sadly, result in the fact of Scottland leaving the UK and its a gg wp for the Kingdom - will be known just as England from that point on.

Jan 24, 2017 3:43am

Quoting Devauxt

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When you said "final blow to the remains of their empire" you were using the present tense. Now you say "There used to be empire". You need to stop peddling untruths. The transfer of Hong Kong to China in 1997 marked for many the end of the British Empire.

Your comment re Scotland seems to imply that that would be a loss to the UK. Im sorry to inform you that that is not the case. To jettison the influence of the Scottish Numpty Party and its Socialist like, would be indeed a blessing to the UK and hot a hindrance. It is an anathema to me that...

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Good. Because they will leave. However, the UK´s prestige will be tarnished a lot. In the world´s view, the UK was still a somewhat a mere remnant of an empire. When it is going to be "England - the country of the free" THATS, my friend, which will mark the complete and utter end of the English dominion in the history, not the transfer of Hong Kong, but who am I to judge right?

Jan 24, 2017 3:53am

Quoting Ross88

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why do you dislike the English?? because you are coming across a bit like a ex girlfriend did a English men leave you for someone younger??

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Ah, no. I dont dislike the English. I´ve never written a statement where I would deliberately say I dislike them. I am simply fascinated how stubborn some people can be no matter how destructive their actions end up being

And, of course, they always come up with some cheeky excuses to try to ridicule the other side

Jan 24, 2017 4:03am

Quoting Guest

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if England becomes the 51st state, would that mean that I (being born in England) and my kids can get USA passports? hoping for a positive answer.

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Depends on how Donald the duck wakes up from his bed. Maybe he would impose a tax on it as he does with everything.

Jan 24, 2017 4:18am

Quoting Ross88

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what do you think will be the most destructive thing for the UK about leaving the EU???

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Wow, I dont even know where to start my friend.

Lets put these reasons into a list, shall we? :

1. The loss of the free market within the EU
2. The loss of the trading agreements with the EU which traces back to n. 1
3. Scottland seceding
4. Heavy pressure on the GBP forces radical action which ultimately does not help the economy of the UK(soon to be "England the country of the free")
5. Lack of foreign investment in the country. Who wants to invest in a country where uncertainty rules over the law? As a matter of fact, who wants to invest in a country believing they will become the global trade leader with not even single country willing to give them the trading edge in the agreement?
6. What is there for England after Brexit besides chaos?

These are only a couple of reasons why England will not prosper from "removing the tentacles of the media establishment trying to take our freedom and give it to Brussels!". I wonder why the main leaders of the leave campaign were not willing to pick up the pieces and lead the country out of the EU. Political and economical suicide.

Jan 24, 2017 4:32am

Quoting Ross88

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Q,Populism has a very clear meaning
populism definition=support for the concerns of ordinary people

Q,Life is just too complicated to be addressed by simple answers
in time's like this I suggest you go to the dictionary definition

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Exactly! The CONCERNS of the ordinary people.

But the concerns do not always have a simple answers my friend. Look at the history of mankind. The last time the rise of populism occured in the ancient Rome, it led to the abolishment of the Roman Republic and the beginning of a bloody period for the Romans which emerged banishing the republic into the abyss and establishing an Empire. POPULISM MAY LEAD TO THE VERY LOSS OF YOUR POLITICAL POWER TO CHANGE ANYTHING

The last time rise of populism occured in Germany, the whole Europe erupted into a war, and not a pretty one.

Jan 24, 2017 4:37am

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1. The loss of the free market within the EU
- but the market is still available through WTO
2. The loss of the trading agreements with the EU which traces back to n. 1
_ new and more numerous agreements can and are in progress
3. Scottland seceding
-No loss at all
4. Heavy pressure on the GBP forces radical action which ultimately does not help the economy of the UK(soon to be "England the country of the free")
- Pressure on the GBP makes the UK more competitive and increases exports
5. Lack of foreign investment in the country. Who wants...

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Heavily curbed through WTO my friend. Not effective enough compared to the EU´s model.
What leads you into thinking that the EU will give the UK a better deal? Do you think all of the negotiators for the EU are braindead, mentally handicapped or somehow damaged? Who would give the UK in the right mind a better deal than they had in the EU. Its basically saying, "Yes, we want to give you a better deal since you left the EU because.......??????????".

Mate, the core concept of negotiations are carried through something called "the bargaining power of a party". The UK has no leverage to apply which would make the EU give the UK a better deal since their bargaining power in the negotiations has been diminished considerably. The UK is the one who needs the deal, not the EU.

And if Scottland seceding, therefore, a loss of 270 billion GDP factor, is not of essence at all, then, my friend, I dont know what to say. Have you ever studied economics?

Jan 24, 2017 5:54am

Quoting Devauxt

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At the risk of repeating myself again "So you are actually saying that VW Audi, BMW and Mercedes will walk away from 14% of their Worldwide market just to stick it to the Brits. I am sure that their shareholders will really see the value of "getting one over" on the Brits as being more important than profits for the companies. I'm sure that 750,000 German motor industry jobs at risk will happily forgo their jobs and income so that the EU can "stick it" to the Brits. I don't think so "

The EU 27 will answer to Germany. No cherry picking, the UK...

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Haha! My friend, you dont see the picture here, do you? VW, Audi, and all the others can survive without the share. Lets see who would hurt the most - Britain since they would be completely cut off. See? No bargaining of power. VW wants the share of the market, but knows that they can squeeze every advantage they can get from the other side because the UK ABSOLUTELY needs them.

So what will end up happening? Brits will agree on worse terms than they had before and VW shareholders will be ENORMOUSLY happy

Jan 24, 2017 9:06am

Quoting Devauxt

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When you speak to the VAG shareholders, come back and talk to me. UK does not need VW, where did come up with that assertion?

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What? What kind of a counter-argument did you just present? I said that it would be economically beneficial for the VW group to negotiate a better deal since they have a good bargaining power when it comes down to negotiations with the UK.

And you counter-argument it with the sentence that I should speak with the VAG shareholders?

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Excuse me, but I lost your logic in that sentence
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If the UK does not need the VW, then why are they so desperate about getting a deal? This is hilarious. Naturally, the UK needs the deal because of employment, money, imports and exports

If we follow the same logic everywhere, then a country does not need any trade agreements right. Especially, the UK.

My friend, please, go google what a counter argument is and present a solid factual based argument in here. As you can see, everybody stopped replying to your comments because they LACK any common SENSE. However, the comments excell at delivering the over-the-top dosage of the finest nationalism.

Since this is my last comment for your, I´ll leave you a gift which will probably land close to your heart: Long live the UK!

(ha-ha-ha)

Jan 24, 2017 1:58am

Populism is like a blitzkrieg: it wins at first but ultimately loses in the end.

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No difference here between the right and the left one.

Jan 24, 2017 4:55am

Quoting Ross88

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Populism is a vote were the most popular opinion win's

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Populism is an ideology, not a vote.

Jan 24, 2017 1:53am

Quoting dean1star

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So right - remember cameron was so desperate to be the PM on his own not a shared gig with clegg so he promised anything just to get there - and then what he fcks off without closing the door what a really duche bag he was - easy to just walk away and leave such a fcking mess all because he wanted power and people let him have it and voted him in - blame game on the people not the pursuer of power we should know better but we dont.

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brexit team persuaded people to vote for brexit and sometimes using not true arguments. it looks fair that they should managed the process.

Jan 24, 2017 2:13am

Quoting althar

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Populism is like a blitzkrieg: it wins at first but ultimately loses in the end.

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No difference here between the right and the left one.

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Your populism, is the UK's realism. The UK has already voted to leave the EU with the full understanding that the task was not going to be easy. The thing that you need to understand is that there is a party (UKIP) who are 100% behind Brexit. Should the current political class fail to deliver Brexit, most of the leading parties will lose their seats to UKIP, who in turn will deliver Brexit. The choice for members of parliament is now less about Brexit and more about retaining their seats at the next general election

Jan 24, 2017 2:17am

Quoting ja3mp

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brexit team persuaded people to vote for brexit and sometimes using not true arguments. it looks fair that they should managed the process.

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If you had any knowledge of the facts, you would know that the Remain camp ran project fear, which was littered with untruths

Jan 24, 2017 2:22am

Quoting kingleeny

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this is reallly dumb...they dont even know how to leave the eu before they even did a national vote....uummm...did they think this through? stupid govt people trying to win their votes not caring what the consequences are...just doing what they want the public want to hear.

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The arrogance of the remain camp have left us in this position. Utter failure of the then PM to plan for Brexit, accounts for our current situation. Arrogance in the belief that the electorate would not question the status quo.

Jan 24, 2017 2:42am

Quoting Boferer

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Anyway, Brexit will be destructive for the UK. Funny how the Brits will deliver the final blow to the remains of their empire lol

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Brexit will in the end, be less destructive than than remaining in the EU and those of us who value Democracy over Fascism, will think the temporary inconvenience of the Brexit process is well worth the price versus the continued theft of democracy and spiralling costs of remaining in the EU.

Jan 24, 2017 2:47am

Quoting Boferer

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Anyway, Brexit will be destructive for the UK. Funny how the Brits will deliver the final blow to the remains of their empire lol

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I'd like to understand how you extrapolate that conclusion, especially given that there is no empire

Jan 24, 2017 3:22am

Quoting Boferer

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See? There used to be empire - since the Brits have followed such a good streak of decisions in a row, there is none now. I wanted to say that this is yet another one of the Britain´s decision which will ultimately, sadly, result in the fact of Scottland leaving the UK and its a gg wp for the Kingdom - will be known just as England from that point on.

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When you said "final blow to the remains of their empire" you were using the present tense. Now you say "There used to be empire". You need to stop peddling untruths. The transfer of Hong Kong to China in 1997 marked for many the end of the British Empire.

Your comment re Scotland seems to imply that that would be a loss to the UK. Im sorry to inform you that that is not the case. To jettison the influence of the Scottish Numpty Party and its Socialist like, would be indeed a blessing to the UK and hot a hindrance. It is an anathema to me that the Scottish seek independence and when they get it they are going to hand it over to the EU Lol

Jan 24, 2017 3:25am

Quoting barkie

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Cherry picking is trying to get tariff free access to our single market while "the people" voted out and basically voted against the single market.

Where is the backbone ?

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God you are getting more dim by the day. It is called doing business. Neither party gets exactly what they want and neither party hurts the other

Jan 24, 2017 3:34am

Quoting PaulVic

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Another one not getting the message... We dont want to cherry pick, we dont want to remain in the EU's protectionist system. There is a +£60bn difference between exports to EU an Imports from EU.

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barkie is a Socialist EU apologist and regular hater of the UK. I'm not sure whether he believes in the EU or hates that thought of the Netherlands having to pick up part of the tab for the deficit in receipts which the EU will suffer once the UK leaves. Combine that with the rising cost of the EU with its open door migrant problem and having to support Scotland, it should be a massive bill

Jan 24, 2017 4:00am

Quoting Drolph

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You always dictate others what they have to understand, indeed it is you who should start to accept some facts.

Scotland did not want to leave the EU, so they will get their independence by getting out of the UK, who would force them to do sth they do not want. Pretty simple, eh? All your subjective elaborations and "alternative facts" about the EU are mostly of no substance and truly a matter of opinion.

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Agree.

Jan 24, 2017 4:07am

Quoting Drolph

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You always dictate others what they have to understand, indeed it is you who should start to accept some facts.

Scotland did not want to leave the EU, so they will get their independence by getting out of the UK, who would force them to do sth they do not want. Pretty simple, eh? All your subjective elaborations and "alternative facts" about the EU are mostly of no substance and truly a matter of opinion.

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HeHe

Jan 24, 2017 4:11am

Quoting Drolph

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You always dictate others what they have to understand, indeed it is you who should start to accept some facts.

Scotland did not want to leave the EU, so they will get their independence by getting out of the UK, who would force them to do sth they do not want. Pretty simple, eh? All your subjective elaborations and "alternative facts" about the EU are mostly of no substance and truly a matter of opinion.

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No, I don't dictate anything but I do proffer my view based on research and garnered opinion, unlike your good self. My knowledge of the EU, the Lisbon Treaty and other material seems to exceed yours by a long way

Jan 24, 2017 4:11am

Then you and your children have a great opportunity to be within 1% of elite USA citizens - who are living in jail.

Quoting Boferer

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Depends on how Donald the duck wakes up from his bed. Maybe he would impose a tax on it as he does with everything.

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Jan 24, 2017 4:24am

Quoting Ross88

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Q,Populism has a very clear meaning
populism definition=support for the concerns of ordinary people
Q,Life is just too complicated to be addressed by simple answers
in time's like this I suggest you go to the dictionary definition

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Q. Whats the difference between "Populism" and Mob Rule?

Jan 24, 2017 4:28am

Quoting Boferer

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Wow, I dont even know where to start my friend.

Lets put these reasons into a list, shall we? :

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1. The loss of the free market within the EU
- but the market is still available through WTO
2. The loss of the trading agreements with the EU which traces back to n. 1
_ new and more numerous agreements can and are in progress
3. Scottland seceding
-No loss at all
4. Heavy pressure on the GBP forces radical action which ultimately does not help the economy of the UK(soon to be "England the country of the free")
- Pressure on the GBP makes the UK more competitive and increases exports
5. Lack of foreign investment in the country. Who wants to invest in a country where uncertainty rules over the law? As a matter of fact, who wants to invest in a country believing they will become the global trade leader with not even single country willing to give them the trading edge in the agreement?
-There have been recent announcements of increased investment in the UK, including Apple
6. What is there for England after Brexit besides chaos?
-Not true

Jan 24, 2017 4:34am

They gave you a "place on the front seat" - I would prefer my own car.

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p.s. Why is the UK so keen to get into bed with Trumps US? Will they give us better deals than the EU? I'm not convinced it would be any better. America First! remember.

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Jan 24, 2017 4:48am

Quoting UnBearybull

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This mess is an indicator of what happens when "The People" e.g. Average Joe and Mavis are given more responsibility than they can cope with. Yes, they need a simplistic view on the EU machinations - they wouldn't be able to deal with anything more complex, hence big red busses with Bullsht messages and billboards picturing hordes of 'refugees' on the way to UK.

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Yes.

Jan 24, 2017 5:06am

Quoting Boferer

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Heavily curbed through WTO my friend. Not effective enough compared to the EU´s model.
What leads you into thinking that the EU will give the UK a better deal? Do you think all of the negotiators for the EU are braindead, mentally handicapped or somehow damaged? Who would give the UK in the right mind a better deal than they had in the EU. Its basically saying, "Yes, we want to give you a better deal since you left the EU because.......??????????".

Mate, the core concept of negotiations are carried through something called "the bargaining...

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At the risk of repeating myself again "So you are actually saying that VW Audi, BMW and Mercedes will walk away from 14% of their Worldwide market just to stick it to the Brits. I am sure that their shareholders will really see the value of "getting one over" on the Brits as being more important than profits for the companies. I'm sure that 750,000 German motor industry jobs at risk will happily forgo their jobs and income so that the EU can "stick it" to the Brits. I don't think so "

The EU 27 will answer to Germany. No cherry picking, the UK will negotiate a new agreement and not renegotiate the old one. Neither party will want to hurt the other

And as for Scotland, it is in the red to the tune of 9.8% of GDP. Official figures from the previous year suggest Scotland spent £62 bn but raised just £45 bn — an annual subsidy from the English taxpayer of at least £17 bn. Accountancy firm PWC warned that Scotland was dangerously close to falling into an outright recession, as it downgraded growth forecasts north of the border. I'll let you form your own opinion

Jan 24, 2017 6:09am

Quoting Boferer

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Haha! My friend, you dont see the picture here, do you? VW, Audi, and all the others can survive without the share. Lets see who would hurt the most - Britain since they would be completely cut off. See? No bargaining of power. VW wants the share of the market, but knows that they can squeeze every advantage they can get from the other side because the UK ABSOLUTELY needs them.

So what will end up happening? Brits will agree on worse terms than they had before and VW shareholders will be ENORMOUSLY happy

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Quoting Boferer

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Haha! My friend, you dont see the picture here, do you? VW, Audi, and all the others can survive without the share. Lets see who would hurt the most - Britain since they would be completely cut off. See? No bargaining of power. VW wants the share of the market, but knows that they can squeeze every advantage they can get from the other side because the UK ABSOLUTELY needs them.

So what will end up happening? Brits will agree on worse terms than they had before and VW shareholders will be ENORMOUSLY happy

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Come on be fair..
Trump (America First) has put UK on top of list for a Bend-over trade deal.
Boris to negoiate. Public school. Lots of experience of whats expected of him.
India.. Great deal possible in response for more migration (?)
Australia.. Great deal available.. with guess what? YES.. easing migration requirements.
China? Well just look t recent migration figues and again youll see the payback there?

Jan 24, 2017 6:12am

Quoting Boferer

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Haha! My friend, you dont see the picture here, do you? VW, Audi, and all the others can survive without the share. Lets see who would hurt the most - Britain since they would be completely cut off. See? No bargaining of power. VW wants the share of the market, but knows that they can squeeze every advantage they can get from the other side because the UK ABSOLUTELY needs them.

So what will end up happening? Brits will agree on worse terms than they had before and VW shareholders will be ENORMOUSLY happy

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When you speak to the VAG shareholders, come back and talk to me. UK does not need VW, where did come up with that assertion?

Jan 24, 2017 6:25am

@boferer.. please take "IGNORED" seriously..
hes invited you to "talk to him" .. like he gives a "Rats-Arse" what you think.. (LoL)
Hes got vast experience in the auto industry, and its economics in general. (alt-facts)

Jan 24, 2017 6:31am

Quoting cliffedwards

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@boferer.. please take "IGNORED" seriously..
hes invited you to "talk to him" .. like he gives a "Rats-Arse" what you think.. (LoL)
Hes got vast experience in the auto industry, and its economics in general. (alt-facts)

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I love it when you IGNORE me. It says more about you than it does me

Jan 24, 2017 6:48am

Quoting althar

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Well there might be a difference between English and Slovenian meaning of this term, might be as well, that there's a difference between English and Continental meaning as is the case for many other terms (take for example phenomenology).

But that's not the point. The point is, that populists (pick better English word here) tend to oversimplify real world problems, trying to find simple solutions which are in accordance with their main intentions. And that's the biggest difference between populism and democracy, both of which claim to "support...

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Is Brexit populism? Who defined it as such? What do you call an electorate protesting against a Fascist state and against unelected leaders that is the EU. Is that populism or a recovery of democracy?

Jan 24, 2017 7:25am

Quoting Drolph

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He already showed this ugly face in comments of several news lately. But in the end it is not worth debating on a constructive level with people like him. Especially as he is not showing respect to arguments and opinions of others.

Just let him drown in his nationalism.

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Come up with cogent argument worthy of respect and you might get a different reaction, but as yet I have seen nothing from you to date that fits that bill

Jan 24, 2017 7:34am

Quoting althar

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Those are questions you, Brits, will have to answer. It's your decision and I don't care much about it, apart from my GBP FX positions, of course.

I was speaking generally and, yes, I could find quite a few elements of populist-like behaviour in May's (and Johnson's) actions since they are in charge of UK govt.

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I can understand how you form that view, especially with the media coverage. But what other option do the electorate have when they no longer feel that the EU represents their needs and concerns in spite of considerable efforts to alter the status quo. And it is not just the concerns of the UK electorate but a growing movement in Europe who share similar concerns

Jan 24, 2017 9:15am

Quoting Boferer

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What? What kind of a counter-argument did you just present? I said that it would be economically beneficial for the VW group to negotiate a better deal since they have a good bargaining power when it comes down to negotiations with the UK.

And you counter-argument it with the sentence that I should speak with the VAG shareholders?

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Excuse me, but I lost your logic in that sentence
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If the UK does not need the VW, then why are they so desperate about getting a deal? This is hilarious. Naturally, the UK needs the deal because of employment,...

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Explain why the UK needs VW?

Jan 24, 2017 11:19pm

Quoting Mingary

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Because obviously you don't know what fascism is.. let's hope you never do.

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Given that I am capable of reading history and current affairs, your assertion is incorrect

Jan 24, 2017 11:55pm

Quoting Mingary

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ok. Then I am sure you understand that the EU is not a fascist state.

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The EU is Fascist in that it is an authoritarian socialist organisation which has stripped Europe's electorate of its democracy and relegating nations to the status of minor states in favour of the Greater EU, hell bent on the super state that will be the EU

Jan 25, 2017 12:09am

Quoting Exodus

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As verv wrote above, we cannot know in advance the outcome of negotiations.

The situation is very simple, take a step back and consider. The British public voted to decouple from the EU political machine, so that must be done and is quite simple. The effects upon trade and other relationships are where the complexity arises. The plan is also blindingly obvious, get the best deal that is possible.

Te debate now to be had should centre on the priorities of bargaining chips to describe which elements can be relaxed in order to gain those...

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Clear as a bell Exodus, thanks

Jan 25, 2017 1:11am

Quoting Mingary

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Then you don't know what fascism is.
The EU is a bloated bureaucratic mildly corrupted organisation.
Not fascist. You will know fascist when you get taken in the middle of the night and shot dead.

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I didn't see that requirement in the dictionary definition. But give the EU time, it is going to need to develop those skills in order to suppress the honestly held views of the electorate

Jan 25, 2017 1:50am — Edited

Quoting SickOfScam

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For such geniuses as Devauxt apartheid is only a small part of a big CARE (or C. CLEANING).

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Compared to you, I probably am. Can you please translate the rest into English contributors can understand?

Jan 25, 2017 3:41am

It looks as something burning on your side? CARE = Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere http://www.care.org/

Quoting SickOfScam

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For such geniuses as Devauxt apartheid is only a small part of a big CARE program (or C. CLEANING).

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Quoting Devauxt

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Compared to you, I probably am. Can you please translate... ?

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Jan 25, 2017 3:50am

Quoting SickOfScam

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It looks as something burning on your side? CARE = Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere http://www.care.org/

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I still don't understand what you are trying to communicate and I'm sure that many others here are frustrated by the same deficiency in your communications.

I will make a stab at trying to understand the implication of your link and respond with, At over $1.5 billion, the UK has contributed more than any other individual country bar the United States.

Jan 25, 2017 4:08am

Quoting NewtonsCash

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Brexiteer's fear not, this year the EU comes apart anyway, France, Italy, Holland all their populace want out as well.

The Internet is the new printing press , you need not look to hard at history to see what followed Johannes Gutenberg's wonderful invention, the same is now happening post Tim Berners-Lee's

I would not fancy standing in the way of what the masses expect from here on out, only arrogance would allow the "Remainders" to think they still hold a hope.

"Huzzah for Brexit"

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Fair point

Jan 25, 2017 6:54am

Don't forget that we (almost all EU cit.) speak more than one language and only one of them is English. After all the FF has always been (and remains) international forum.

Quoting UnBearybull

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The TWISTING of my beloved language (we forgive yanks as they can't help it) by the posters on here, is painful.

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Jan 25, 2017 7:03am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Don't forget that we (almost all EU cit.) speak more than one language and only one of them is English. After all the FF has always been (and remains) international forum.

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And I for one, am impressed by the language skills of my fellow Europeans. However, for the most part, I see you as the exception, especially given the number for free translation tools available

Jan 25, 2017 7:13am

Quoting Devauxt

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And I for one, am impressed by the language skills of my fellow Europeans. However, for the most part, I see you as the exception, especially given the number for free translation tools available

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It's deliberate.

Jan 25, 2017 7:17am

I thought so. I just wanted to remind you and "the others".

Quoting UnBearybull

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It is not the English as 2nd language people I was aiming at, but 'native-English' who should know better than to argue semantics.

It was sarcastic comment but I don't see any way of countering this new age of B.S we live in.

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Jan 25, 2017 12:55pm

Looks like a high court vote of no confidence in UK politics, media and legal system. nobody spotted the white elephant in the EU T's & C's until millions of tax payers money and TV licence money was wasted. plus the pound battering may have been for nothing too. *sigh* At least the EU will welcome us back with friendly open arms .... ?

Jan 26, 2017 4:09am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Refugees to the shengen area, ie the vast majority of western continental Europe, HAVE NO RIGHT TO ENTER THE UK. That is limited to CITIZENS of the EU.
This is one of the great lies and obfuscations that have been employed by the proponents of Brexit in the entirely spurious claim that refugees entering the Shengen area of the EU represented a threat to the UK borders.
Your comment suggest an unclear understanding of this.. Appoligies if Im wrong.

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Whilst your comment re Shengen is legally correct, the EU's failure to control its borders has permitted all manner of illegals to mass in Calais and stow away in trucks and trailers. The ECHR then prevents and frustrates the UK from ejecting these undesirables from the UK even when they prove to be hate preachers, war criminals, criminals,rapists and generally "no good toe rags"

In June 2016, a report warned that 5,789 criminals from overseas are free to walk the UK's streets - the highest number since 2012 – because they are protected under EU human rights laws.

Jan 26, 2017 4:31am

The Home Office revealed that over the past THREE years more than 7,000 people have made their way into Britain through ferry ports. Just over half of them were caught at ferry ports, while the remainder were discovered elsewhere in the UK.

A TRULY DEVASTATING PROBLEM...

Jan 26, 2017 4:33am

Quoting cliffedwards

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The Home Office revealed that over the past THREE years more than 7,000 people have made their way into Britain through ferry ports. Just over half of them were caught at ferry ports, while the remainder were discovered elsewhere in the UK.

A TRULY DEVASTATING PROBLEM...

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And they got to the ferry ports through the EU's unprotected borders

Jan 26, 2017 4:52am

Quoting barkie

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What we need is a ferry boat from Calais to Dover and bring them to their preferred destination.

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The Belgian police have already been providing transport to France. But don't worry barkie, in a couple of years, the UK will be able to eject these undesirables back to France where they came from, and where you and the rest of the EU will be obliged to provide them with income and housing along with the necessary mix of ready made victims for their preferred crimes. By this time, the ECHR will have deemed it unreasonable to imprison these "toe rags" for rape, theft, murder, paedophilia etc as these crimes are not crimes in the countries they originally came from, simply cultural difference. "vive la difference" barkie.

Jan 26, 2017 6:08am

Quoting cliffedwards

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A little just a little PERSPECTIVE...??

Last year 287,000* non-EU migrants entered the UK legally for a long-term stay of 12 months or more. This was again and as always, greater than the entire number of EU citizens entering the UK.

THis Non-EU migration was entirely under the control of the UK government, unproscribed by any EU treaty obligations.
But HEY.. we have a BIG problem with 7000 illegals in over 3 years arriving by ferry from Europe.. and Hey.. that all europes FAULT.
B*stards! I can see why some brexiteers are SO angry.

*source...

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I agree with you that the UK Governments have done an appalling job with regards to immigration. Even back as far as 2009 the LSE estimated illegal immigrants numbered between 417000 to 863000. The UK's border control is as bad as the EU's. My issue is the restrictions which the ECHR imposes when the UK tries to eject the buggers (along with criminals who are EU citizens).

Jan 26, 2017 6:08am

Quoting Ross88

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here how you can come into the UK from the EU without a passport http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-Britain.html

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Yes great example of the utter incompetence of THE UK BORDER system.
NOTHING TO DO WITH EU or Schengen.

Quoting Ross88

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also people can eventually apply for a passport in their new host country and than come to the UK completely legally

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Yeah.. really? key word.. "eventually" Eventually is normally 7 years. Same option is open to the millions of nonUK nationals living in UK? Dont see a big rush.

Jan 26, 2017 6:22am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Haha what a dirty little game. Lost kitty Paddy persistently propagated Brexit because he knows that this leads to the end of the UK.

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SoS you'll love this. Contact me if you don't understand any of the words. The EU and its fascist ways, borne from its Nazi Fascist beginnings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf5KeC4dAs

Jan 26, 2017 6:34am

Quoting SickOfScam

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Cheap Devauxt .... try something else. Thieves are always trying to accuse others for their own crime...

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Point out something in there that is not correct, or is research beyond your capabilities as well as English and critical thought?

Jan 26, 2017 6:38am

Proposition:
The ECHR imposes unreasonable restrictions on the UK to deport "Foreign" criminals.
By which i assume that thier crime to have been perpetrated in the UK?
For those interested in the extent and REALITY of this much misrepresented "problem"
as distinct from falling sucker to the Alt-Facts slogans ...

Check here:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/does-the-human-rights-act-prevent-us-deporting-serious-criminals/

Jan 26, 2017 6:49am

Quoting Ross88

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Q,NOTHING TO DO WITH EU or Schengen
the main mistake is made in Lille as he was not made to leave the train or have his ticket check

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MISTAKE? What Now you want France to do the job of our lazy incompetent UK system?
I fall about when I see the mental gymnastics of the euro-skeptics to try to project the failures of our own government and agencies on to EU, France/Belgium etc.

Quoting Ross88

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Q,Yeah.. really? key word.. "eventually" Eventually is normally 7 years.
Yeah really in 7 years time how is your statement a rebuttal. what is your point??

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Im told that in 5 million years our sun will go supernova. LoL
My point is ..can we deal with NOW? Since what happens in 7 years time is of such speculative nature as to be irrelevant.

Jan 26, 2017 6:50am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Proposition:
The ECHR imposes unreasonable restrictions on the UK to deport "Foreign" criminals.
By which i assume that thier crime to have been perpetrated in the UK?
For those interested in the extent and REALITY of this much misrepresented "problem"
as distinct from falling sucker to the Alt-Facts slogans ...

Check here:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/does...ous-criminals/

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European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years.

Jan 26, 2017 6:57am — Edited

So 2 Questions..
1. "Define "Recent Years" we talking about 10 years? 5 Years? what?
2. Were these judgments rejected on the basis of being illegal on UNCHR grounds or SOLEY on European Convention of HR grounds. ?

Incidently I note the following in relation to figures quoted above..
"According to the Court’s statistics, there have been 526 judgments concerning the UK up to the end of 2015. Of these, over half (305) found at least one violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, and about a quarter (132) found no violation."

Jan 26, 2017 7:05am

Quoting cliffedwards

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MISTAKE? What Now you want France to do the job of our lazy incompetent UK system?
I fall about when I see the mental gymnastics of the euro-skeptics to try to project the failures of our own government and agencies on to EU, France/Belgium etc.

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You are right again. It would be inconsiderate to expect France or any EU country to police their borders, never mind to protect the interests of the UK. As I have said before, the EU offers no protection against illegal immigrants coming to the UK via Europe. Members of the EU are more than happy to pass the problem on. Usual EU crap, give us your money and fcuk your needs. Just one example of why Brexit won the vote. The EU cares nothing for the nations of Europe only for its own existence

Jan 26, 2017 7:28am

Quoting Ross88

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Q,What Now you want France to do the job
on post 125 you said (Refugees to the Schengen area, ie the vast majority of western continental Europe, HAVE NO RIGHT TO ENTER THE UK. That is limited to CITIZENS of the EU) we just established that this rule can be bent and that they(refugees) can still enter the UK even if it's illegal also that the first mistake was made in France in your head how am I now asking France to do UK border control?? my point is people have valid security fears about the Schengen area what is your point??

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Sorry.. I really dont have time for this..

The responsibility for the securing of the UK border is that of the UK Border control Agency... on which UK Tax Payers cost half a MILLION Pounds pa.
According to your example its completely incompetent. Yopur have tried to suggest that the "MISTAKE" in the case occurred in Lille. Which is France.
It is NOT the responsibility of the Direction Centrale de la police aux Frontières to police UK Border policy in Lille.

I cant be arsed responding to the rest of your response.

Jan 26, 2017 9:24am

Quoting Ross88

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Q,I really dont have time for this
funny that

Q,that the "MISTAKE" in the case occurred in Lille. Which is France.
It is NOT the responsibility of the Direction Centrale de la police aux Frontières to police UK Border policy in Lille
as your too busy now and judging by your replies I guess you did not even read the link

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Back in 2012 Yet when Foreign Office officials formally asked France and Belgian's national rail operators for the so-called ‘Lille Loophole’ to be closed in December, both said no.

One UKBA officer said he stopped two Iranians at Brussels last April because they ‘bore all the hallmarks of Lille loopholers’.

But when Belgian police were called, one officer told the UKBA staff: ‘This has got to stop. You are not in Britain now, you are in Schengen. If they (the Iranians) make a complaint you will be arrested.

Good old EU. France and Belgium won't solve the issue and won't let the UK police it either

Jan 26, 2017 12:11pm — Edited

Quoting SickOfScam

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Today rabbits are really amusing. Well nerv, since when we differ kitties by races?

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I can't understand what you are on about. This might help your English. Listen and learn.

"The European Union is the Fourth Reich" -- Gerard Batten, MEP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atrhoW0yIws

You'll really love this one "The EU is turning into a fascist state" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLDG0HrhPJI

Trader#A5B5

Jan 24, 2017 2:16am

oops, now they've got a "constitution" all of a sudden!

"Liz Truss, the justice secretary and lord chancellor, has put out this statement about the judgement.

Our independent judiciary is the cornerstone of the rule of law and is vital to our constitution and our freedoms. The reputation of our judiciary is unrivalled the world over, and our supreme court justices are people of integrity and impartiality." - thegaudrdian

Jan 24, 2017 3:25am

The UK is in process of tearing itself apart
Im bloody glad I dont live there any more.

Jan 24, 2017 3:25am

Quoting cliffedwards

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The UK is in process of tearing itself apart
Im bloody glad I dont live there any more.

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So are we

Jan 24, 2017 4:49am

Quoting Drolph

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Besides of your disgusting arrogance, once again:

matter of opinion!

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Not my fault if you don't put any research into your comments. Truth hurts?

Jan 24, 2017 4:52am

Why do these forums attract such moronic exchanges.
Pain in the ass.

Jan 24, 2017 5:07am

Quoting cliffedwards

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Why do these forums attract such moronic exchanges.
Pain in the ass.

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But if it didn't, there would be no contribution from you or me

Jan 24, 2017 5:42am

HeHe...a lot of noise and yelling without any plan

Quoting barkie

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Just leave then, that referendum was ages ago, what's the hold up ?

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Jan 24, 2017 6:55am

hey man, just calm down with your "fascism"

Jan 24, 2017 7:12am

Agreed @sickOfScam.

Surreal..
Bit like Goebbels calling the allies Fascist.

Jan 24, 2017 7:26am

Quoting SickOfScam

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hey man, just calm down with your "fascism"

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Why?

Jan 25, 2017 1:45am — Edited

For such geniuses as Devauxt apartheid is only a small part of a big CARE program (or C. CLEANING).

Quoting Devauxt

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The EU is Fascist ...

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Jan 25, 2017 2:08am

You think your job here is something like a "humanitarian operation".

Jan 25, 2017 2:12am

Quoting SickOfScam

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You think your job here is something like a "humanitarian operation".

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Is that because your attempted use of English is largely inhumane?

Jan 25, 2017 5:30am

Quoting verv

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Nor I, stick him on your ignore list. Rebut only those who make sense lol

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It would be uncharitable of me, not to help those less capable

Jan 26, 2017 4:49am

Quoting barkie

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What we need is a ferry boat from Calais to Dover and bring them to their preferred destination.

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How many do you have defecating on your doorstep?

Jan 26, 2017 4:53am

Quoting jen101

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How many do you have defecating on your doorstep?

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None, just barkie

Jan 26, 2017 6:28am

HaHa... Contact? ...You? You want to infect me, as you did with poor Jen.

Quoting Devauxt

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Contact me if you don't [/url]

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Jan 26, 2017 10:21am

Quoting verv

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100% alt account troll, might be paid agent

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Doesn't that require more than one brain cell?

Jan 26, 2017 11:26am

Today rabbits are really amusing. Well nerv, since when we differ kitties by races?

Jan 26, 2017 12:18pm

Quoting Devauxt

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Doesn't that require more than one brain cell?

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I wouldn't worry about it. He's just a mo ring bandit.

Trader#A5B5

Jan 24, 2017 2:00am

no constitution coming back to haunt them.

Trader#A5B5

Jan 24, 2017 3:53am

if England becomes the 51st state, would that mean that I (being born in England) and my kids can get USA passports? hoping for a positive answer.

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