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  • #7,241
  • Dec 30, 2016 10:28am Dec 30, 2016 10:28am
Quoting Jaymantos
{quote} There are no ''explanation'' for this. Trade what you see and that's it. ''In the moment''. This is second thinking and is useless in this game edit: Business. It will beat you down rinse and repeat mode if you think about all this stuff all the time. Trade what you see. What ''happened'' you're now over with.
Thanks. I noticed that Dove caught that one at the top going down with both H1 and H2 Romar/Ema still down which was with his plan. Would you have jumped the ride up even if not on your plan "in the moment"? I saw that rocket take off and got a little tempted but did not trade as I had no trading plan for last night.
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  • #7,242
  • Dec 30, 2016 10:35am Dec 30, 2016 10:35am
Quoting Clip75
{quote} Thanks. I noticed that Dove caught that one at the top going down with both H1 and H2 Romar/Ema still down which was with his plan. Would you have jumped the ride up even if not on your plan "in the moment"? I saw that rocket take off and got a little tempted but did not trade as I had no trading plan for last night.
I believe dove bought for 40 pips on top of 17:00 bar.

To answer your question : No you don't jump in because you have no plan. You can't see anything. It's literally gambling if you do.
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  • #7,243
  • Dec 30, 2016 10:41am Dec 30, 2016 10:41am
Quoting Jaymantos
{quote} I believe dove bought for 40 pips on top of 17:00 bar. To answer your question : No you don't jump in because you have no plan. You can't see anything. It's literally gambling if you do.
Oh ok, I thought on top meant the high and not the beginning.
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  • #7,244
  • Dec 30, 2016 10:45am Dec 30, 2016 10:45am
Hello Traders;
Since early this morning I have been doing some research on what was happening with the SAR on the H2 chart; and here is my conclusion.

before the 17th update there was no problems. After the update it had affected the H2 SAR ONLY and that was it. And how do I know this. Well - I have to two computers in my office. My trading computer which is a high profile trading computer; and an HP Envy computer for my ministry. On my trading computer the SAR is showing correctly and on my HP - it is not showing correctly but is showing the H1 and Daily correctly; same as on my trading computer. So my question is why on the H2 only is this happening with the SAR.

Slowly but surely I have been rebuilding the Paradox System for the MT5. And one of the indicators I have finished with the MT5 is the SAR. One great thing about the MT5 is the platform has a 2 hour chart which does not require a converter. So I brought up a 2 hour chart on the MT5 and attached the MT5 Paradox_SAR_Swing and it showed correctly on both of my computers. This is telling me because of the 17th update had affected the Offline SAR H2 chart. And the SAR was the only indicator it had affected. The reasoning is because of the borderline CPU math coding. And we would never had known about this issue if not me posting the Labels.

This means I have to work over the weekend and see what I can do with the Math to get the SAR to work with the new update on the MT4 for all computers. And we are talking about 100th of a decimal at a time to find the solution. So have patience and let me try to find the solution and everyone have a great and a very blessed New Year weekend. The market will be closed on New Year's day (Sunday) and reopen the Next morning (Monday) at 02:00 EST.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,245
  • Dec 30, 2016 10:53am Dec 30, 2016 10:53am
Quoting Clip75
{quote} Oh ok, I thought on top meant the high and not the beginning.
I said on top of the 17:00 ET bar. Like I have said - I always try to create my trading plan 30 minutes before the New Daily Bar at 17:00. There was confluence on both the H1 and H2 and I entered with the new 17:00 bar and set my TP and SL at 40 and because of the spike going with confluence I was out with 40 TP.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,246
  • Dec 30, 2016 11:19am Dec 30, 2016 11:19am
That spike with the Asia session shows the power of the Paradox. A lot of speculation of what happen during that time period. And no-one really knows what happened. But one thing I have always learned with the Paradox; no-matter what happens in the market confluence has the control. The market will always go with confluence. There was a small gap between closing and opening of the New Daily. The Market open on top of the H1 Smooth uptrend and the H2 White uptrend. And for sure - there was not anyone seeing that spike before it happened. But the Paradox did.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,247
  • Dec 30, 2016 12:18pm Dec 30, 2016 12:18pm
Quoting Clip75
{quote} Thanks. I noticed that Dove caught that one at the top going down with both H1 and H2 Romar/Ema still down which was with his plan. Would you have jumped the ride up even if not on your plan "in the moment"? I saw that rocket take off and got a little tempted but did not trade as I had no trading plan for last night.
Chris - I am trying to figure out how can you speculate what my trading plan was saying? The reason I am asking is because on both H1 and H2 EMA was support and not resistance. the only resistance was ROMAR on both the H1 and H2 - but support on the Daily. The confluence at 17:00 was on the H1 and H2. The 4 Horsemen were in the uptrend along with EMA. The Daily Parabolic was flip-flopping so it was not set in stone; which means the Daily was still up. You have a very bad habit of SPECULATING about everything. Like Jay had said - everything is in the 'Moment'.

You are on a journey Chris, in learning. Which means you have to take control of changing the way you think, changing the way you visualize what is true on the charts, but most of all - digging your way out of the garbage pip from past history. Trading the Paradox has nothing to do with what you have learned in the past. Trading the Paradox is all about the moment. And in the moment is all about confluence.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,248
  • Dec 30, 2016 12:36pm Dec 30, 2016 12:36pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Chris - I am trying to figure out how can you speculate what my trading plan was saying? The reason I am asking is because on both H1 and H2 EMA was support and not resistance. the only resistance was ROMAR on both the H1 and H2 - but support on the Daily. The confluence at 17:00 was on the H1 and H2. The 4 Horsemen were in the uptrend along with EMA. The Daily Parabolic was flip-flopping so it was not set in stone; which means the Daily was still up. You have a very bad habit of SPECULATING about everything. Like Jay had said - everything...
I meant the Romar/Ema relationship which supported a downtrend still. Your are right I did speculate because I've seen you take many great trades from when the market spiked and broke opposite the Romar/Ema rule and you rode it back the other way. The word top confused me as I took it literal for candle top and not "top of the hour" context. I speculated the rest after and I know speculation is definitely not good in trading.

Here's my plan for this afternoon just for practice. Is there any chance that I could get some feedback on it. Thanks.

Date: December 30/16
Session: New York
News: 14:30 medium impact

Daily:
ROMAR - Support
EMA - Support
PSAR - Support
Check List:
Last MACD 0 crossing: up
Last EMA Alert Arrow: up
Last DB Attachment:124.084 top
Last Sar Attachment:121.586 bottom
Fibo up or down:Red
Notes: Market in consolidated uptrend above support.
Divergence attached on previous candle. bollinger bands
tight.

2 HR:
OPEN PRICE - 122.156
ROMAR - support
EMA - support
PSAR - support
Check List:
Last MACD 0 crossing: up but declining toward zero
Last EMA Alert Arrow:up but looking to switch down
Last DB Attachment:123.813 top
Last Sar Attachment:with db top
Fibo up or down: down
Notes: Market in a retracement from strong upward movement. Currently
finding support at the 38.2 fib and ema.

1 HR:
ROMAR - Support
EMA - Support
PSAR - Resistance
Check List:
Last MACD 0 crossing: down
Last EMA Alert Arrow: down
Fibo up or down: down
Notes: 1 hour is in consolidation swing heading for Romar. Bollinger bands closing in.

Final Notes for all three charts: Strong upward movement with market in a retrace currently.
Entry: Looking to go long at H1 50 fib along with Romar support and on H2 the 50 fib, parabolic and close to romar support. will hope for Sar attached there as well. Tp 40 sl 40.
Consolidation:
Long:
Short:
Notes for readjustments: Looking like market is holding nice support at 38.2 on H1 and H2 so maybe I missed that trade at the touch of 38.2 on both. If it comes down to 50 fib I will take it provided it's not too late and with a little wiggle room for the news at 1430.
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  • #7,249
  • Dec 30, 2016 12:55pm Dec 30, 2016 12:55pm
Quoting Clip75
{quote} I meant the Romar/Ema relationship which supported a downtrend still. Your are right I did speculate because I've seen you take many great trades from when the market spiked and broke opposite the Romar/Ema rule and you rode it back the other way.
You are having a problem in not getting the true valuation of the indicators. ROMAR and EMA are not in relationship with one another. Every indicator has its own value. In my trading plan from yesterday was with ROMAR on both H1 and H2 as RESISTANCE. And EMA on both charts as SUPPORT. They are both trend indicators. EMA is the trend for the 4 Horsemen and ROMAR is the CHART trend. That means you need to do A LOT MORE STUDYING and get it right. The way I see it you are speculating what is right and what is wrong. And there is only one way which is the right way in knowing the rules; and the value of each indicators.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,250
  • Dec 30, 2016 12:59pm Dec 30, 2016 12:59pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} You are having a problem in not getting the true valuation of the indicators. ROMAR and EMA are not in relationship with one another. Every indicator has its own value. In my trading plan from yesterday was with ROMAR on both H1 and H2 as RESISTANCE. And EMA on both charts as SUPPORT. They are both trend indicators. EMA is the trend for the 4 Horsemen and ROMAR is the CHART trend. That means you need to do A LOT MORE STUDYING and get it right. The way I see it you are speculating what is right and what is wrong. And there is only one way...
Ema under Romar is down and Ema above Romar is up. This is what I was referring to. Their relation in position vertically. I was referring to the Primary trend on both h1 and h2.
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  • #7,251
  • Dec 30, 2016 1:10pm Dec 30, 2016 1:10pm
Quoting Clip75
{quote} Ema under Romar is down and Ema above Romar is up. This is what I was referring to. Their relation in position vertically. I was referring to the Primary trend on both h1 and h2.
Chris - The only thing that has ever been mention as for ROMAR/EMA has a relationship is they are BOTH TREND INDICATORS. You are totally missing the rules in how each of those two indicators become separate in a trend. You are telling me by making this statement you have no idea of the rules in trading the Paradox. If you do not want to study then you will fail and everyone else will move on with you still striving to get it right. At 17:00 yesterday both charts was showing EMA as support. And that is with a period. Now go back and study and you will find the reason for EMA being support.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,252
  • Dec 30, 2016 1:19pm Dec 30, 2016 1:19pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Chris - The only thing that has ever been mention as for ROMAR/EMA has a relationship is they are BOTH TREND INDICATORS. You are totally missing the rules in how each of those two indicators become separate in a trend. You are telling me by making this statement you have no idea of the rules in trading the Paradox. If you do not want to study then you will fail and everyone else will move on with you still striving to get it right. At 17:00 yesterday both charts was showing EMA as support. And that is with a period. Now go back and study...
I knew that Ema was support and I don't believe I said it was resistance. It became support as soon as Ema crossed purple on both charts. I must not be making myself clear. I understand in my mind so I will keep it there for now.

Edit: Oh now I know how you misunderstand me. Here is what I said quote "with both H1 and H2 Romar/Ema still down". I meant the trend by putting these two together with a slash and not support or resistance. My bad at explaining. My wife says she never understands me either because what comes out is not what I meant to say lots of times. Or I jump forward and start talking where my mind is at instead of the beginning. Like people are mind readers or something.
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  • #7,253
  • Dec 30, 2016 1:24pm Dec 30, 2016 1:24pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Chris - The only thing that has ever been mention as for ROMAR/EMA has a relationship is they are BOTH TREND INDICATORS. You are totally missing the rules in how each of those two indicators become separate in a trend. You are telling me by making this statement you have no idea of the rules in trading the Paradox. If you do not want to study then you will fail and everyone else will move on with you still striving to get it right. At 17:00 yesterday both charts was showing EMA as support. And that is with a period. Now go back and study...
I forgot to mention that ROMAR on both charts was RESISTANCE with EMA on both charts AS SUPPORT at 17:00.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,254
  • Dec 30, 2016 1:36pm Dec 30, 2016 1:36pm
Quoting Clip75
{quote} I knew that Ema was support and I don't believe I said it was resistance. It became support as soon as Ema crossed purple on both charts. I must not be making myself clear. I understand in my mind so I will keep it there for now. Edit: Oh now I know how you misunderstand me. Here is what I said quote "with both H1 and H2 Romar/Ema still down". I meant the trend by putting these two together with a slash and not support or resistance. My bad at explaining. My wife says she never understands me either because what comes out is not what I meant...
Chris - you are missing my point on what you said with "ROMAR/EMA has a relationship" and talking about vertical which has nothing to do with either. Excuses is not going to get it with me. You have made too many posting referring the same thing which means you are lacking understanding and wisdom.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #7,255
  • Dec 30, 2016 1:51pm Dec 30, 2016 1:51pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Chris - you are missing my point on what you said with "ROMAR/EMA has a relationship" and talking about vertical which has nothing to do with either. Excuses is not going to get it with me. You have made too many posting referring the same thing which means you are lacking understanding and wisdom.
Ok.. Happy New Year and God's blessings to you and everyone else here as well.
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  • #7,256
  • Dec 30, 2016 2:45pm Dec 30, 2016 2:45pm
Quoting whaleknight
{quote} Although i manage to ride the trend up due to confluence of H1 and H2 sync up and daily is at support. But is this spike unusual? Is there any cause for this? {image}
Was definitely some market manipulation and stop hunting going on, but regardless like Dove said the Paradox knew where it was headed even in a manipulation move. Also look at how it reacts with the bollinger bands almost every single time, those are such powerful indicators. Would be awesome if there was an alert for those because they are some pretty great entry points
  • #7,257
  • Dec 30, 2016 2:50pm Dec 30, 2016 2:50pm
Quoting Clip75
{quote} Ema under Romar is down and Ema above Romar is up. This is what I was referring to. Their relation in position vertically. I was referring to the Primary trend on both h1 and h2.
EMA controls the current 4 Horsemen trend, and ROMAR is the general true trend. So EMA is more short term with ROMAR as long term. That is why you always look in the moment. You could see at the moment the 4 Horsemen along with EMA were going for the cross especially in a consolidated market with ROMAR running across the middle. You should know EMA kind of has a stronger control in these situations but in a full up/downtrend ROMAR usually is the one that is a stronger support/resistance
  • #7,258
  • Dec 30, 2016 3:36pm Dec 30, 2016 3:36pm
Quoting Paradox7
{quote} Was definitely some market manipulation and stop hunting going on, but regardless like Dove said the Paradox knew where it was headed even in a manipulation move. Also look at how it reacts with the bollinger bands almost every single time, those are such powerful indicators. Would be awesome if there was an alert for those because they are some pretty great entry points
Tell me, what is a ''market manipulation'' in the Forex markets; which are not centralized.

So who exactly was ''manipulating'' the E/J pair. I'd be happy to know. lol.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Personally, I stopped thinking in black and white patterns as such and start to see things just as they are. Market participants going about their business.

A ''stop hunt'' ...
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  • #7,259
  • Dec 30, 2016 4:08pm Dec 30, 2016 4:08pm
Quoting Jaymantos
{quote} Tell me, what is a ''market manipulation'' in the Forex markets; which are not centralized. So who exactly was ''manipulating'' the E/J pair. I'd be happy to know. lol. Let that sink in for a moment. Personally, I stopped thinking in black and white patterns as such and start to see things just as they are. Market participants going about their business. A ''stop hunt'' ...
Some shady stuff my friend, and manipulation will always occur in the markets. Does not mean you don't know where it is going but it is manipulation nonetheless. You can't ignore that outside events will play a role with what happens in the markets
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  • #7,260
  • Dec 30, 2016 4:38pm Dec 30, 2016 4:38pm
Quoting Paradox7
{quote} Some shady stuff my friend, and manipulation will always occur in the markets. Does not mean you don't know where it is going but it is manipulation nonetheless. You can't ignore that outside events will play a role with what happens in the markets {image}
rofl
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