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  • #1,601
  • Nov 20, 2016 4:30pm Nov 20, 2016 4:30pm
Attempted a USDCHF top down. Input appreciated!

Weekly

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4HR wide angle

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  • #1,602
  • Nov 20, 2016 5:31pm Nov 20, 2016 5:31pm
Quoting Pipsalon
{quote} Good evening swTrue, You are correct, there are different ways a zone is being created. -Break of a momentum line. -Removal of an opposing zone. -Move away from the basing. A zone can inherit it's status from another zone. In your example the lower demand zone inherited it's status from the higher DZ which removed a supply level. Please make sure when you post a chart example, that you draw the zones correct. Some of the green boxes you have drawn are incorrect. Best wishes.

Appreciate the reply Pipsalon.

Was I correct in stating that a move away needs to be 2:1?

Also, what makes a zone inherited? I see the two DZs you're referring to. Is it because the second zone broke the opposing level so that now validates the first level?

Easy on my levels brother, I was only exposed to SAD a few days ago =) So feel free to point out corrections, I'd appreciate it.
  • #1,603
  • Nov 20, 2016 5:33pm Nov 20, 2016 5:33pm
Quoting Pipsalon
{quote} Exactly, your curve timeframe is the largest timeframe in your sequence. You want to look for selling opportunities high on the curve. And buying opportunities low on the curve.
Thanks Pip!
  • #1,604
  • Nov 20, 2016 5:39pm Nov 20, 2016 5:39pm
Came across this chart halfway through the thread. Very informative! Figured I'd repost for any new readers.

Credit to AKT
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  • #1,605
  • Nov 20, 2016 7:39pm Nov 20, 2016 7:39pm
Quoting Pipsalon
{quote} Good evening swTrue, You are correct, there are different ways a zone is being created. -Break of a momentum line. -Removal of an opposing zone. -Move away from the basing. A zone can inherit it's status from another zone. In your example the lower demand zone inherited it's status from the higher DZ which removed a supply level. Please make sure when you post a chart example, that you draw the zones correct. Some of the green boxes you have drawn are incorrect. Best wishes.
Hello Pipsalon & swTrue.
Great conversation.

@Pipsalon..correct. Thanks for making that clear

swTrue, to clarify things, zones represent orders. So any zone where there is a significant enough move away from would represent the type of imbalance needed to inform the S.A.D of the presence of unfilled orders in the base.
Now, any other filter added such as removal of an opposing zone is just that, a filter, to help the S.A.D wort of weed out the not so good zones and trade the "stronger" zones.
Seeing and drawing these zones is a skill that can only be acquired with practice as with anything and everything.

Oh, and the "curve" is just the term used to refer to the supply and demand curve, just like in economics.


Based on your questions and those of others , i think it is time for another webinar as long as there are enough interested parties
For people interested, please send me your email address in a PM or by email.
Bring your trades as well, good and bad, lets review them. We know the value of trade reviews in the weekly Roundtable group I lead.

best wishes
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  • #1,606
  • Nov 20, 2016 7:41pm Nov 20, 2016 7:41pm
Quoting swTrue
Came across this chart halfway through the thread. Very informative! Figured I'd repost for any new readers. Credit to AKT {image}
hello swTrue.
Thank you.
Had forgotten about this one.
We will dive deeper in the webinar. Way much more involved than what this chart shows

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #1,607
  • Nov 20, 2016 7:54pm Nov 20, 2016 7:54pm
Quoting swTrue
{quote} Appreciate the reply Pipsalon. Was I correct in stating that a move away needs to be 2:1? Also, what makes a zone inherited? I see the two DZs you're referring to. Is it because the second zone broke the opposing level so that now validates the first level? Easy on my levels brother, I was only exposed to SAD a few days ago =) So feel free to point out corrections, I'd appreciate it.
Hello swTrue
"needs" is a strong term
You see, in any methodology, there usually is what would be considered an ideal scenario and a not-so ideal scenario
Think about what a 2:1 move away actually means.

It means for the distance price moves away from a level, there can not be any opposing orders in the way up to the end of that movement, they had to have been filled for price to have been able to move 2:1 away from the base. Think of a plough, it is called the "plough effect" within the methodology.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #1,608
  • Nov 21, 2016 1:13am Nov 21, 2016 1:13am
Hello everyone
Thought for the week.....

Desire backed by faith pushes fact, reality and reason out of the way.....
AKT's adaptation of a long established truth first stated by Napoleon Hill


Never give up on your dreams

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #1,609
  • Nov 21, 2016 9:42am Nov 21, 2016 9:42am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello swTrue "needs" is a strong term You see, in any methodology, there usually is what would be considered an ideal scenario and a not-so ideal scenario Think about what a 2:1 move away actually means. It means for the distance price moves away from a level, there can not be any opposing orders in the way up to the end of that movement, they had to have been filled for price to have been able to move 2:1 away from the base. Think of a plough, it is called the "plough effect" within the methodology. best wishes
Got it! Thanks AKT!
  • #1,610
  • Nov 21, 2016 9:58am Nov 21, 2016 9:58am
Quoting swTrue
Came across this chart halfway through the thread. Very informative! Figured I'd repost for any new readers. Credit to AKT {image}
Very informative, thanks for sharing. The good thing about supply/demand strategy is you can apply it on any time frame and it works. It does work better on higher time frames, but I've used it on the lower time frames and it works too.
  • #1,611
  • Edited 3:03pm Nov 21, 2016 1:48pm | Edited 3:03pm
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price action approaching supply levels on both yen crosses. although these levels are not fresh is anyone expecting a reaction?
daily chart
  • #1,612
  • Nov 21, 2016 1:55pm Nov 21, 2016 1:55pm
How many zones back can a zone be inherited? i.e. in an uptrend, if I have 3 RBR and the third one takes out an opposing zone, can it only be one zone back that inherits the zone status or could both prior zones inherit?

Thanks!
  • #1,613
  • Nov 22, 2016 1:53am Nov 22, 2016 1:53am
Hello guys, WTI looks quite interesting
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  • #1,614
  • Nov 22, 2016 2:05am Nov 22, 2016 2:05am
Quoting Mr.PhiBo
Hello guys, WTI looks quite interesting {image}
Looks very well...above is another level that requires cinfirmation entries / broken momentum trendline on smaller timeframe
  • #1,615
  • Nov 22, 2016 2:39am Nov 22, 2016 2:39am
Quoting Michele86
{quote} Looks very well...above is another level that requires cinfirmation entries / broken momentum trendline on smaller timeframe
In fact my sell limit order had been activated already. 2,83 risk to reward ratio
To break the rules you must first master them.
  • #1,616
  • Nov 22, 2016 2:43am Nov 22, 2016 2:43am
Quoting Mr.PhiBo
{quote} In fact my sell limit order had been activated already. 2,83 risk to reward ratio
You take stop all weekly blue level or only this zone without above?
  • #1,617
  • Nov 22, 2016 3:03am Nov 22, 2016 3:03am
Quoting Michele86
{quote} You take stop all weekly blue level or only this zone without above?
open price is 48.02, stop loss above daily supply zone, around 50.20, and take profit around 45.40
To break the rules you must first master them.
  • #1,618
  • Nov 22, 2016 7:43am Nov 22, 2016 7:43am
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Some say that this is the fundamental move...
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I say it is the response to supply
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  • #1,619
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:42am Nov 22, 2016 9:42am
Quoting Mr.PhiBo
{image} Some say that this is the fundamental move...{image} I say it is the response to supply {image}
Hello Mr.Phibo
I agree.
It takes fundamental news to drive prices to the levels we want to do business at.
We just wait and set our orders.
We buy when others want to sell and sell when they want to buy.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #1,620
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:48am Nov 22, 2016 9:48am
Quoting here4dapips
{image} GBP/JPY {image} USD/JPY price action approaching supply levels on both yen crosses. although these levels are not fresh is anyone expecting a reaction? daily chart
hello here4dapips..good to meet you. Welcome to T.I.O.F

The timeframes on you pictures are not visible so it is hard to comment on them
You are correct that some yen pairs are at or close to supply though

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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