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  • #441
  • Aug 28, 2006 5:21pm Aug 28, 2006 5:21pm
Quoting nvwine
I think it will be very hard to decide what settings have merit at this point. You may need to limit testing to a few settings to start.

I have been testing on mainly one version using different settings on each demo. None of my tests have come close to Mono's results but that is not the point. Between back testing and now forward testing I may stumble on to a conservative safe earner in all market conditions. It takes a long time to optimize one currency pair. I won't be able to tell if any of this has helped me until I can test for a few weeks with at least one strong trend lasting several consecutive days in the test.

I hope a few people try settings completely different than what Mono and others have posted. On my live account my settings are close to Monos, but on demos I have been using v0.1a and adjusting the following settings on various time frames with most pairs:
MA_timeframe
Percent
TakeProfit
StopLoss
DivergenceLimit
PipStep
IncreasementType

Is anyone back testing and optimizing, and /or forward testing with adjustments to the more unusual settings?

Hagbard, I'm not suggesting trying to add a bunch of seldom changed setting to your test structure at this point. Instead I am hoping that if some people try a few unusual things on one demo they will be able to report any unexpected improvements after optimization and forward testing.


Thank you!

Maybe right now the best thing to do is for people to try some truly different setups (that were at least attempted to be logically supported) so we can have an idea of what to do, or more likely and more importantly, what not to do when the time comes for an organzied test.
  • #442
  • Aug 28, 2006 6:09pm Aug 28, 2006 6:09pm
I have started to do forward testing 10 hours ago but no trade has been concluded. I am using v1c modified by wackena and the setting is model from Mono. The forward test is for 8 pairs of currency with MA_timeframe = 15, percent = 0.1 and lot = 0.2. The chart window timeframe is M15. Btw is there any different between MA_timeframe and chart window timeframe?

The forward test will run for this week and I hope to report any result on next week.
  • #443
  • Aug 28, 2006 6:39pm Aug 28, 2006 6:39pm
I would also like to know the answer to divinefund's question: "is there any difference between MA_timeframe and chart window timeframe?". The Firebird 1.0a version I use has the MA_timeframe parameter defaulted to 30 minutes. It's kind of puzzling as to what setting should be used on the different window timeframes.

Secondly, I too would be willing to run several demo accounts for the purposes of testing/optimizing FB. Perhaps a table/matrix can be set up once the parameters have been agreed upon, and people can sign up. A fixed start date would be mandatory, as you couldn't really compare one months' results with another month. We should first determine how many people/demo accounts we have at our disposal, then set the number of parameters accordingly. There's no point in planning a trial with 1000 variations when we have 200 demo accounts available.

Doug
  • #444
  • Aug 28, 2006 7:37pm Aug 28, 2006 7:37pm
Quoting dcraig
I would also like to know the answer to divinefund's question: "is there any difference between MA_timeframe and chart window timeframe?". The Firebird 1.0a version I use has the MA_timeframe parameter defaulted to 30 minutes. It's kind of puzzling as to what setting should be used on the different window timeframes.

Secondly, I too would be willing to run several demo accounts for the purposes of testing/optimizing FB. Perhaps a table/matrix can be set up once the parameters have been agreed upon, and people can sign up. A fixed start date would be mandatory, as you couldn't really compare one months' results with another month. We should first determine how many people/demo accounts we have at our disposal, then set the number of parameters accordingly. There's no point in planning a trial with 1000 variations when we have 200 demo accounts available.

Doug
Also along this line, I think it's important to try to minimize as many variables. Just to give an example, all the tests should be run on one broker's feed, instead of mixing them up as has been the case thus far. We need to compare apples to apples, so to speak.

Mike (1trader2)
  • #445
  • Aug 28, 2006 9:08pm Aug 28, 2006 9:08pm
Quoting divinefund
I have started to do forward testing 10 hours ago but no trade has been concluded. I am using v1c modified by wackena and the setting is model from Mono. The forward test is for 8 pairs of currency with MA_timeframe = 15, percent = 0.1 and lot = 0.2. The chart window timeframe is M15. Btw is there any different between MA_timeframe and chart window timeframe?

The forward test will run for this week and I hope to report any result on next week.
Yes, there is a difference.

The MA_time sets up the envelope in which Firebird executes trades, some people like a setting of 30 others 15.

Placing Firebird on the 1Min chart helps with divergence, in other words spikes. If there is a spike in the 1min bar, it will not open a new trade until it subsides.
Mono
  • #446
  • Aug 28, 2006 10:40pm Aug 28, 2006 10:40pm
can anyone help me to provide the latest version of firebird EA... which page / post?
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  • #447
  • Aug 28, 2006 10:53pm Aug 28, 2006 10:53pm
Quoting divinefund
I have started to do forward testing 10 hours ago but no trade has been concluded. I am using v1c modified by wackena and the setting is model from Mono. The forward test is for 8 pairs of currency with MA_timeframe = 15, percent = 0.1 and lot = 0.2. The chart window timeframe is M15. Btw is there any different between MA_timeframe and chart window timeframe?

The forward test will run for this week and I hope to report any result on next week.
Finally, I found why sometimes there is no trades (when it should be).
There is a bug in this version caused by following code:

double value = iATR(NULL,PERIOD_D1,21,0);
if(Point == 0.01) value = value*100;
if(Point == 0.0001) value = value*10000;
TakeProfit = value*2/10;
Stoploss = value*2;
PipStep = value/10;

Sometimes, the iATR returns value of zero, this results in the zero of parameters TakeProfit, Stoploss and PipStep.

This can clearly seen when you add following Print statment to the code and recompile it:

Print ("Value from iATR is: ", value);

You will see sometimes the value is really zero. Certainly, it causes failure in OrderSend because of invalid stop, invalid price, etc.
In my previous post, I suggested to add error trace for OrderSend, and I got various error such as
Error opening Sell order (130): invalid stops.

Please keep in mind the problem only happens when Daily True Average Range is zero. Because of this bug, the test of this version would be unrealiable.

Thanks!
  • #448
  • Aug 28, 2006 11:05pm Aug 28, 2006 11:05pm
Quoting mono
Yes, there is a difference.

The MA_time sets up the envelope in which Firebird executes trades, some people like a setting of 30 others 15.

Placing Firebird on the 1Min chart helps with divergence, in other words spikes. If there is a spike in the 1min bar, it will not open a new trade until it subsides.
Thanks Mono for the clarification.

So the MA_timeframe is used by firebird to determine envelope where trading opportunity arise when signal is out of the envelope. Whereas timeframe on chart is to observe the spike ( of course the higher timeframe the lessor spike to occur ).
  • #449
  • Aug 29, 2006 2:24am Aug 29, 2006 2:24am
why is my live version (63G) opening far fewer trades than the equivalent demo?

also - is there any early data suggesting a difference in MA30 to MA15?
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  • #450
  • Aug 29, 2006 4:45am Aug 29, 2006 4:45am
Anybody know why I get "bad hours" with FB1.0b2?
  • #451
  • Aug 29, 2006 4:50am Aug 29, 2006 4:50am
Quoting humax
Anybody know why I get "bad hours" with FB1.0b2?
You mean the text in the top left of the chart?
Some times are better than others for opening new positions.
The bad times are "bad hours"
You can configure those hours in the EAs input window.
May the pips be with you.
  • #452
  • Aug 29, 2006 4:55am Aug 29, 2006 4:55am
Just opened account on SBFX - fed up with cancellations on IBFX. Using 1.0b2 on EURUSD GBPUSD USDCHF USDJPY USDCAD and EUR JPY. Mono's individual TP SL PS levels, .1 percent 1min TF.
Opened 3 Trades - all buy trades on USDCAD EURCAD and EURJPY - Hedged 1st 2 and not third. No attempt to place trade in Journal or in Experts?

Here's the log:
Inserted Code
10:26:21 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2815 sl: 1.2595 tp: 1.2837
10:26:21 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:26:21 '30096': request in process
10:26:21 '30096': order is open : #1544786 buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2815 sl: 1.2595 tp: 1.2837
10:26:21 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2813 sl: 1.3033 tp: 1.2791
10:26:21 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:26:21 '30096': request in process
10:26:21 '30096': order is open : #1544787 sell 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2813 sl: 1.3033 tp: 1.2791
10:29:18 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1071 sl: 1.0861 tp: 1.1092
10:29:18 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:29:18 '30096': request in process
10:29:18 '30096': order is open : #1544811 buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1071 sl: 1.0861 tp: 1.1092
10:29:18 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1068 sl: 1.1278 tp: 1.1047
10:29:19 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:29:19 '30096': request in process
10:29:19 '30096': order is open : #1544812 sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1068 sl: 1.1278 tp: 1.1047
10:30:03 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 EURJPY at 149.5500 sl: 147.4500 tp: 149.7600
10:30:08 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:30:08 '30096': request in process
10:30:08 '30096': order is open : #1544821 buy 0.10 EURJPY at 149.5500 sl: 147.4500 tp: 149.7600
Andy
  • #453
  • Aug 29, 2006 5:28am Aug 29, 2006 5:28am
Quoting andydoc
Just opened account on SBFX - fed up with cancellations on IBFX. Using 1.0b2 on EURUSD GBPUSD USDCHF USDJPY USDCAD and EUR JPY. Mono's individual TP SL PS levels, .1 percent 1min TF.
Opened 3 Trades - all buy trades on USDCAD EURCAD and EURJPY - Hedged 1st 2 and not third. No attempt to place trade in Journal or in Experts?

Here's the log:
Inserted Code
10:26:21 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2815 sl: 1.2595 tp: 1.2837
10:26:21 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:26:21 '30096': request in process
10:26:21 '30096': order is open : #1544786 buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2815 sl: 1.2595 tp: 1.2837
10:26:21 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2813 sl: 1.3033 tp: 1.2791
10:26:21 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:26:21 '30096': request in process
10:26:21 '30096': order is open : #1544787 sell 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2813 sl: 1.3033 tp: 1.2791
10:29:18 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1071 sl: 1.0861 tp: 1.1092
10:29:18 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:29:18 '30096': request in process
10:29:18 '30096': order is open : #1544811 buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1071 sl: 1.0861 tp: 1.1092
10:29:18 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1068 sl: 1.1278 tp: 1.1047
10:29:19 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:29:19 '30096': request in process
10:29:19 '30096': order is open : #1544812 sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1068 sl: 1.1278 tp: 1.1047
10:30:03 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 EURJPY at 149.5500 sl: 147.4500 tp: 149.7600
10:30:08 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:30:08 '30096': request in process
10:30:08 '30096': order is open : #1544821 buy 0.10 EURJPY at 149.5500 sl: 147.4500 tp: 149.7600
I don't know why it did not open hedge order on buy eurjpy, because they are no pre-qualifiers between the main ordersend op_buy and hedge ordersend op_sell. op_sell immediately follows op_buy. A mystery to me.

After the last line above, what did the next line in Journal state?

Wackena
  • #454
  • Aug 29, 2006 6:09am Aug 29, 2006 6:09am
Quoting TraderSeven
You mean the text in the top left of the chart?
Some times are better than others for opening new positions.
The bad times are "bad hours"
You can configure those hours in the EAs input window.
You mean the time between closing and opening hour TraderSeven?
If that's the case, I shouldn't get "bad hours" right now.
  • #455
  • Aug 29, 2006 7:02am Aug 29, 2006 7:02am
Hi Wackena - no hints there unfortunately
Inserted Code
10:44:26 Expert Firebird_v1.0b2 USDCAD,M1: loaded successfully
10:44:28 Expert Firebird_v1.0b2 USDCAD,M1: removed
10:51:52 Custom indicator Firebird USDCAD,M1: removed
10:51:59 Custom indicator Firebird USDCAD,M1: loaded successfully
12:26:41 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1089 sl: 1.1299 tp: 1.1068
12:26:41 '30096': request was accepted by server
12:26:41 '30096': request in process
12:26:41 '30096': order is open : #1545879 sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1089 sl: 1.1299 tp: 1.1068
12:26:41 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1092 sl: 1.0882 tp: 1.1113
12:26:42 '30096': request was accepted by server
12:26:42 '30096': request in process
12:26:42 '30096': order is open : #1545880 buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1092 sl: 1.0882 tp: 1.1113
Quoting wackena
I don't know why it did not open hedge order on buy eurjpy, because they are no pre-qualifiers between the main ordersend op_buy and hedge ordersend op_sell. op_sell immediately follows op_buy. A mystery to me.

After the last line above, what did the next line in Journal state?

Wackena
Andy
  • #456
  • Aug 29, 2006 7:25am Aug 29, 2006 7:25am
Quoting humax
You mean the time between closing and opening hour TraderSeven?
If that's the case, I shouldn't get "bad hours" right now.
There are 3 sets of hours.
a] What you see on the clock in your home.
b] Server time. -> What you see on the chart.
c] Time of the market.

a] is not relavant.

You have to align b and c.
13:00 NY 'stockmarket time' could be 07:00 broker time.
Because MT4 uses chart/server/broker time you have to enter 07:00 not 13:00
May the pips be with you.
  • #457
  • Aug 29, 2006 7:27am Aug 29, 2006 7:27am
Quoting andydoc
Just opened account on SBFX - fed up with cancellations on IBFX. Using 1.0b2 on EURUSD GBPUSD USDCHF USDJPY USDCAD and EUR JPY. Mono's individual TP SL PS levels, .1 percent 1min TF.
Opened 3 Trades - all buy trades on USDCAD EURCAD and EURJPY - Hedged 1st 2 and not third. No attempt to place trade in Journal or in Experts?

Here's the log:
Inserted Code
10:26:21 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2815 sl: 1.2595 tp: 1.2837
10:26:21 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:26:21 '30096': request in process
10:26:21 '30096': order is open : #1544786 buy 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2815 sl: 1.2595 tp: 1.2837
10:26:21 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2813 sl: 1.3033 tp: 1.2791
10:26:21 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:26:21 '30096': request in process
10:26:21 '30096': order is open : #1544787 sell 0.10 EURUSD at 1.2813 sl: 1.3033 tp: 1.2791
10:29:18 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1071 sl: 1.0861 tp: 1.1092
10:29:18 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:29:18 '30096': request in process
10:29:18 '30096': order is open : #1544811 buy 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1071 sl: 1.0861 tp: 1.1092
10:29:18 '30096': instant order sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1068 sl: 1.1278 tp: 1.1047
10:29:19 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:29:19 '30096': request in process
10:29:19 '30096': order is open : #1544812 sell 0.10 USDCAD at 1.1068 sl: 1.1278 tp: 1.1047
10:30:03 '30096': instant order buy 0.10 EURJPY at 149.5500 sl: 147.4500 tp: 149.7600
10:30:08 '30096': request was accepted by server
10:30:08 '30096': request in process
10:30:08 '30096': order is open : #1544821 buy 0.10 EURJPY at 149.5500 sl: 147.4500 tp: 149.7600
It might caused by "Invalid reason". I added the error trace code and got it from IBFX.

2006.08.29 00:35:24 FireBird_v63 EURUSDm,M1: Error opening Buy hedge order (129): invalid price

Do not know why the price is invalid.

Thanks!
  • #458
  • Aug 29, 2006 10:08am Aug 29, 2006 10:08am
I see quite a few "Old tick" errors in my journal. Anyone knows what this means exactly?
  • #459
  • Aug 29, 2006 10:42am Aug 29, 2006 10:42am
Quoting Yardie
I see quite a few "Old tick" errors in my journal. Anyone knows what this means exactly?
I want to say that it's related to slippage in a way. If I remember right, it's saying that it won't execute your order since it's trying to base it off of a price parameter that doesn't exist anymore since the price has moved even just a pip? I would think if you allowed a slippage of say two pips, it should work itself out? Bueller? Bueller?
  • #460
  • Aug 29, 2006 11:02am Aug 29, 2006 11:02am
Quoting Yardie
I see quite a few "Old tick" errors in my journal. Anyone knows what this means exactly?
I contacted IBFX online support and here is the transcript.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
http://server.iad.liveperson.net/hcp...o/chatinfo.gifYou are now chatting with 'Client Services'
Client Services: Hello, my name is Darrell, How may I help you?
you: Hi Darrell, I'm Wackena. What is "Old Ticks" telling me when I see them in the Journal?
Client Services: those are out dated ticks sent by the server but not valid anymore
you: No effect on trading?
Client Services: No, not at all
you: Thank you and have a good day.
Client Services: My pleasure, contact us anytime.
http://server.iad.liveperson.net/hcp...o/chatinfo.gifChat session has been terminated by the site operator.

Wackena
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