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  • Brexit may bring difficult times, says Theresa May

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    Britain needs to be prepared for some "difficult times" ahead as it leaves the European Union, Prime Minister Theresa May has said. Speaking to the Andrew Marr Show - in her first major interview since taking office - Mrs May warned Brexit would not be "plain sailing" for the UK. She said formal EU talks will not begin until 2017, but vowed the process would not be "kicked into the long grass". Mrs May also ruled out a snap election, saying the UK needs "stability". The former home secretary became prime minister after David Cameron resigned in the wake of the EU referendum - with the Brexit process likely to ... (full story)

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Mingary
Sep 8, 2016 1:01am
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Quoting xy76
One thing this blogger does not get, along with many others who fear the destruction of their very cultures byl aliens, is that culture is not a constant. It has never been.

Culture is a process, ever transforming, creating and recreating itself. Part of this process is interaction with other cultures.
I think "the other culture" has a different opinion on the matter ...

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9421.htm
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Mingary
Sep 8, 2016 11:32pm
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Quoting xy76
Yeah, ignorance is bliss. And why should it be unique to one culture, nation etc.?
Ignorance is of course not unique to one culture. Any one can believe in some weird twisted BS, but those insane beliefs must never be made into laws. A major sign that a society has recognized the "ignorance is bliss" problem is by having a very strong separation of church and state.
Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance destroys.
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Mingary
Sep 9, 2016 4:51pm
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Quoting xy76
Laws have been always based on beliefs: what is good, bad, moral or oherwise.
How about this fine example:
(hint: there are hundreds more like it based on "beliefs" from hundreds of different cultures, old and recent )

http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 11:38am
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Quoting cliffedwards
@verv You are now becoming offensive.

BTW who is "we"? as in "we can decide"
"You are now becoming offensive."

Very true Cliff. But you have to remember who you are dealing with! Here is a quote from Verv a few weeks ago.

"“You don't know what the EU will look like in a few years, especially with the rise of the far right in many countries much of which spawned by the policies of the EU. Hitler rose in a few short years, his aim was to unit the continent, through strength and unity and all he wanted was peace as well.”
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 11:58am
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Quoting Devauxt
I'm sorry, but I don't understand you point

"What exactly is wrong with that observation?

Ok so you believe the worst mass murderer in history wanted peace also! Can you not see the disparity there? You know 50 million deaths and wanting peace!
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 11:59am
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Quoting verv
Gross misunderstanding of my point by theras - which is why he is on my ignore list lol.

Hitler talked about peace, strength and unity - but his actions were to cause the death of many millions of people.

Im deliberately drawing a dichotomy between rhetoric and actions. Theras didn't get it then, and he doesn't get it now.
How can someone cause the deaths of 50 million people and want peace? Please educate me.
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 12:33pm
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Quoting verv
I understand that English is not your first language so perhaps it is getting lost in translation.

So I will explain again.

The point I was making was that words mean nothing if your actions are the direct opposite.

I gave the example of Hitler who often said one thing and then did the exact opposite.

He gave speeches talking about wanting peace. He signed a peace treaty with the UK. He signed the Russian non aggression pact.

But what did he do?

...he invaded
Poland, France, and Russia and tore up every treaty he had previously...
Absolute rubbish!
This is your exact quote:
"and all he wanted was peace as well"
How can this be construed as he pretended to want peace when all he wanted was to take over Europe and beyond?
And English is my first language but I can see you haven't the intelligence to work that one out either.
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 12:36pm
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Quoting Devauxt
Are you being deliberately stupid? No I do not believe that at all and neither have I implied it. He claimed to be one thing, whilst acting in a manner that was opposite to his claimed position

Just some of Hitlers rhetoric;-

Then it was that Adolf Hitler for the first time made his appeal to the common sense of the other powers. On May 17, 1933, a few months after his appointment to the office of Reichskanzler, he delivered a speech in the German Reichstag, from which we extract the following passages:

"Germany will be perfectly ready...
I have deliberately refrained from turning this into a pissing match and been courteous to you but it seems you can't be civilized enough to return the favour.
This is Verv exact quote.
""and all he wanted was peace as well"
How can this be construed as he pretended to want peace when all he wanted was to take over Europe and beyond?
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 12:55pm
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Quoting verv
theras - I think it is obvious that Hitler never wanted peace.

If you don't understand that I'm demonstrating a dichotomy between between Hitlers words and his subsequent actions then that's your problem.

I think most people know exactly what I meant when I said that. And even if they didn't, they would have the good grace to accept their misunderstood after I explained it.

I'm happy for you to continue believing what you want because what you think is of no consequence to me.
Quoting Devauxt
Read the passages from Hitler's speeches (the ones that I sent you). It is a clear case of saying one thing, whilst having the clear intention of doing the opposite. Verv was being ironic when he used the phrase "and all he wanted was peace as well". I think most other people in here, picked up on that.
Haha right oh lets go with that then
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 5:26am
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Quoting Devauxt
It was a statement of fact. Does it really require a comment?
Correct

People need to stop acting that Leave voters expected plain sailing.

Heck even I expected economic data to be considerably worse than Ithas been.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 8:42am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Whos been doing that?
I dont see anybody, except Leave Voters THEMSELVES?
I don't know any Leave voter who expected plain sailing. Not really sure what you mean by the above.

Why do we Leave voters need to be commenting on what Dev. correctly called a statement of fact.

When you said above;
"7 hours and not one comment? LoL"

You seem to implying, where are all the Leave voters comments... Very simply there is nothing for us to comment on. What May says is obviously true.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 9:42am — Edited
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Quoting cliffedwards
Well I guess everybody Leave/Remain/Neutral can agree on that.

However @verv You and other here have a great line in reading "implications" into any comment made by those with whom you have at any point, crossed swords. To the extent that it at times appears impossible to make the most straightforward comment without your "interpretation". spin? And its a bit tiresome.

Let me make myself clear.
IF I wanted to say "where are all the Leave voters comments..."
Id have posted that.
I didnt.
And I sure as hell dont need your "Rent-a-Row"...
Cliff you are engaged in petty point scoring by posting '7 hours, no comments'. You weren't giving your '2 cent' you were commenting on the lack of comments from other users. That's not an opinion discussing the article, it is the stating a super obvious fact but for a specific reason...

You don't post that kind of stuff unless you are bringing attention to something. In this case you are referring to the absence of Leave voters comments.

So don't get annoyed when you get called out out on it. You brought it on yourself and got the response you wanted but perhaps not the type of responses you expected. Your protestations are not necessary for we know exactly what you are up to.

The give away is you don't see you posting those kind of comments in other articles with no comments. It is targetted only to those Brexit stories that support your 'non political, non biased, neutral view'. Strange. And given your prior postings the reason becomes obvious.

I notice you have even started submitting your own stories. No prizes for guessing its slant - Brexit article about the Japanese saying they would move headquarters. Who would have guessed? Lol. Again in that story your first comment was not on the story itself but like here a comment about the comments. Making a point not about the story but one about the members.

So Cliff. Yes you didn't explicitly say 'where are all the leave voters', but that is exactly what you meant. It's called reading between the lines.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 10:59am — Edited
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Quoting cliffedwards
Hey..go pick a Row with someone else Hombre.

DONT tell me WHAT I MENT.

And dont justify your confrontational comments by pretending that you
are "Reading between the Lines". My experience here suggests you have problems with READING THE LINES.. never mind reading BETWEEN them.
If that isn't what you meant then surely you will tell us what you did actually mean. Because I can tell you, that is EXACTLY what it looks like you meant.

After that we can decide what is most plausible.

It's not like people would ever lie or distort reality on the internet - would they lol. Everyone is a non biased apolitical neutral commentator! Your targetted posting about the comments from other members on all things Brexit is of course just RANDOM. Plausibility - low.

And feel free to point out the numerous times where my reading comprehension 'reading the lines' has failed me.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 11:55am
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Quoting theras2000
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 50 million people. Was this a good thing?
Quoting Devauxt
I'm sorry, but I don't understand you point

Gross misunderstanding of my point by theras - which is why he is on my ignore list lol.

Hitler talked about peace, strength and unity - but his actions were to cause the death of many millions of people.

Im deliberately drawing a dichotomy between rhetoric and actions. Theras didn't get it then, and he doesn't get it now.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 12:23pm
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Quoting theras2000
How can someone cause the deaths of 50 million people and want peace? Please educate me.
I understand that English is not your first language so perhaps it is getting lost in translation.

So I will explain again.

The point I was making was that words mean nothing if your actions are the direct opposite.

I gave the example of Hitler who often said one thing and then did the exact opposite.

He gave speeches talking about wanting peace. He signed a peace treaty with the UK. He signed the Russian non aggression pact.

But what did he do?

...he invaded
Poland, France, and Russia and tore up every treaty he had previously signed.

So on the one hand what he said was he wanted 'peace'. But what he actually did was start a war and killed millions of people in the process.

The example was to highlight that there are many people who say one thing and then do then do the opposite.

Words which sound well meaning can often hide true intentions.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 12:27pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
Thank you @verv.
Like you I regard respect for each others integrity as colleagues, however much we might disagree, or differ on deeply and sincerely held views on contentious issues,
as a fundamental of civilized exchange.
Its not a quality or standard seen much in the current world. Cheers.
Agreed Cliff.

It is easy to go too far in these debates.

So long as there is respect we can continue to have these discussions.

:-)
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 12:47pm
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Quoting theras2000
Absolute rubbish!
This is your exact quote:
"and all he wanted was peace as well"
How can this be construed as he pretended to want peace when all he wanted was to take over Europe and beyond?
And English is my first language but I can see you haven't the intelligence to work that one out either.
theras - I think it is obvious that Hitler never wanted peace.

If you don't understand that I'm demonstrating a dichotomy between between Hitlers words and his subsequent actions then that's your problem.

I think most people know exactly what I meant when I said that. And even if they didn't, they would have the good grace to accept their misunderstanding after I explained it.

I'm happy for you to continue believing what you want because what you think is of no consequence to me.
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 12:56pm
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Quoting Devauxt
Read the passages from Hitler's speeches (the ones that I sent you). It is a clear case of saying one thing, whilst having the clear intention of doing the opposite. Verv was being ironic when he used the phrase "and all he wanted was peace as well". I think most other people in here, picked up on that.
Exactly lol
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buster48
Sep 5, 2016 5:04pm
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This thread is a good example of why some time ago I decided not to post on threads (bar this)life's too short to be attacking each other over what might or might not have been meant .Be nice people,lifes too short ,have a great day all.
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xy76
Sep 7, 2016 1:30pm
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Quoting Mingary
http://www.heresyblog.net/2015/06/th...placement.html
One thing this blogger does not get, along with many others who fear the destruction of their very cultures byl aliens, is that culture is not a constant. It has never been.

Culture is a process, ever transforming, creating and recreating itself. Part of this process is interaction with other cultures.
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xy76
Sep 7, 2016 2:37pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
You are quite right.
HOWEVER..
Do you cook?
Did you ever try to make Hollandaise Sauce? Yummmmmm..
(Basically an emulsification of warmed egg yokes and melted butter. A masterpiece of French Cuisine ..so simple..BUT difficult for the beginner).

The Butter has to be drizzled slowly into the warmed egg yokes, while whisking/mixing all the time.?

If you try to add the butter too fast.. It curdles.
If you over heat the egg/yokes.. its get scrambled.
You get it right.. its smooth creamy and magnifique!

Thats the immigration dilemma.
You...
Migrants, in a normal, healthy economy, are not being added. They go with the job market's flow. This is how it had been done in Europe for centuries, before social welfare state was invented, and this is how it should bedone. What we have now instead is the state telling you, or anybody else, how to cook: how much butter, egg etc.
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xy76
Sep 8, 2016 2:01pm
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Quoting Mingary
I think "the other culture" has a different opinion on the matter ...

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9421.htm
Yeah, ignorance is bliss. And why should it be unique to one culture, nation etc.?
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xy76
Sep 9, 2016 2:42pm
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Quoting Mingary
Ignorance is of course not unique to one culture. Any one can believe in some weird twisted BS, but those insane beliefs must never be made into laws. A major sign that a society has recognized the "ignorance is bliss" problem is by having a very strong separation of church and state.
Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance destroys.
Laws have been always based on beliefs: what is good, bad, moral or oherwise.
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xy76
Sep 10, 2016 12:22pm
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Quoting Mingary
How about this fine example:
(hint: there are hundreds more like it based on "beliefs" from hundreds of different cultures, old and recent )

http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
Just one of many examples of what lawmakers believed then. A product of its time, culture and idelogy.

Do you think that laws we have today in the Western World are sort of universal rules, akin to (nomen omen) laws of physics and they have nothing to do with our society's beliefs?
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Mingary
Sep 5, 2016 11:32am
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Brexit is one event that if it does not happen, the world will never know the misery that was avoided.
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Mingary
Sep 5, 2016 1:36pm
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Quoting Devauxt
What misery?
The Great Replacement
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Mingary
Sep 5, 2016 2:10pm
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Quoting Devauxt
What are you on about?
http://www.heresyblog.net/2015/06/the-great-replacement.html
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theras2000
Sep 5, 2016 11:47am
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Quoting Devauxt
What exactly is wrong with that observation?
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 50 million people. Was this a good thing?
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verv
Sep 5, 2016 11:50am
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Quoting cliffedwards
@verv You are now becoming offensive.

BTW who is "we"? as in "we can decide"

Cliff, apologies for any perceived offence. It wasn't intentional.
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Greenstar
Sep 5, 2016 4:10pm
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https://youtu.be/JG4QrMcep2w
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cliffedwards
Sep 5, 2016 9:14am
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Quoting verv
What May says is obviously true.
Well I guess everybody Leave/Remain/Neutral can agree on that.

However @verv You and other here have a great line in reading "implications" into any comment made by those with whom you have at any point, crossed swords. To the extent that it at times appears impossible to make the most straightforward comment without your "interpretation". spin? And its a bit tiresome.

Let me make myself clear.
IF I wanted to say "where are all the Leave voters comments..."
Id have posted that.
I didnt.
And I sure as hell dont need your "Rent-a-Row" confrontational interpretations of what Im "Implying".

Claro?

Oh on a BTW, "Whats Obviously True" has NEVER stopped anyone here on FF from adding their 2cents.
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cliffedwards
Sep 5, 2016 10:30am
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Hey..go pick a Row with someone else Hombre.

DONT tell me WHAT I MENT.

And dont justify your confrontational comments by pretending that you
are "Reading between the Lines". My experience here suggests you have problems with READING THE LINES.. never mind reading BETWEEN them.
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 10:35am
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Quoting verv
Cliff you are engaged in petty point scoring by posting '7 hours, no comments'. You weren't giving your '2 cent' you were commenting on the lack of comments from other users. That's not an opinion discussing the article, it is the stating a super obvious fact but for a specific reason...

You don't post that kind of stuff unless you are bringing attention to something. In this case you are referring to the absence of Leave voters comments.

So don't get annoyed when you get called out out on it. You brought it on yourself and got the response...
Couldn't have said it better myself
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 11:14am
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Quoting cliffedwards
@verv You are now becoming offensive.

BTW who is "we"? as in "we can decide"
Your claim that you are a non biased apolitical neutral commentator is offensive, so you are in good company
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 11:45am
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Quoting theras2000
"You are now becoming offensive."

Very true Cliff. But you have to remember who you are dealing with! Here is a quote from Verv a few weeks ago.

"“You don't know what the EU will look like in a few years, especially with the rise of the far right in many countries much of which spawned by the policies of the EU. Hitler rose in a few short years, his aim was to unit the continent, through strength and unity and all he wanted was peace as well.”
What exactly is wrong with that observation?
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cliffedwards
Sep 5, 2016 12:10pm
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Quoting verv
Cliff, apologies for any perceived offence. It wasn't intentional.
Thank you @verv.
Like you I regard respect for each others integrity as colleagues, however much we might disagree, or differ on deeply and sincerely held views on contentious issues,
as a fundamental of civilized exchange.
Its not a quality or standard seen much in the current world. Cheers.
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 12:14pm
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Quoting theras2000
"What exactly is wrong with that observation?

Ok so you believe the worst mass murderer in history wanted peace also! Can you not see the disparity there? You know 50 million deaths and wanting peace!
Are you being deliberately stupid? No I do not believe that at all and neither have I implied it. He claimed to be one thing, whilst acting in a manner that was opposite to his claimed position

Just some of Hitlers rhetoric;-

Then it was that Adolf Hitler for the first time made his appeal to the common sense of the other powers. On May 17, 1933, a few months after his appointment to the office of Reichskanzler, he delivered a speech in the German Reichstag, from which we extract the following passages:

"Germany will be perfectly ready to disband her entire military establishment and destroy the small amount of arms remaining to her, if the neighboring countries will do the same thing with equal thoroughness.
... Germany is entirely ready to renounce aggressive weapons of every sort if the armed nations, on their part, will destroy their aggressive weapons within a specified period, and if their use is forbidden by an international convention.

... Germany is at all times prepared to renounce offensive weapons if the rest of the world does the same. Germany is prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression because she does not think of attacking anybody but only of acquiring security."
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 12:49pm
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Quoting theras2000
I have deliberately refrained from turning this into a pissing match and been courteous to you but it seems you can't be civilized enough to return the favour.
This is Verv exact quote.
""and all he wanted was peace as well"
How can this be construed as he pretended to want peace when all he wanted was to take over Europe and beyond.
Read the passages from Hitler's speeches (the ones that I sent you). It is a clear case of saying one thing, whilst having the clear intention of doing the opposite. Verv was being ironic when he used the phrase "and all he wanted was peace as well". I think most other people in here, picked up on that.
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 2:22pm
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Quoting Mingary
http://www.heresyblog.net/2015/06/th...placement.html
Interesting. I would have phrased it as "Brexit is one event that if it does not happen, the world will never know the misery that could have been avoided"
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cliffedwards
Sep 7, 2016 2:06pm
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Quoting xy76
... culture is not a constant. It has never been.
Culture is a process, ever transforming, creating and recreating itself. Part of this process is interaction with other cultures.
You are quite right.
HOWEVER..
Do you cook?
Did you ever try to make Hollandaise Sauce? Yummmmmm..
(Basically an emulsification of warmed egg yokes and melted butter. A masterpiece of French Cuisine ..so simple..BUT difficult for the beginner).

The Butter has to be drizzled slowly into the warmed egg yokes, while whisking/mixing all the time.?

If you try to add the butter too fast.. It curdles.
If you over heat the egg/yokes.. its get scrambled.
You get it right.. its smooth creamy and magnifique!

Thats the immigration dilemma.
You try to add too many migrants too fast or overheat by concentrating the intake?
You create and encourage social unrest, xenophobia, racism and rightwing ultra-nationalism.

Do it nice an slowly, and mix (whisk) well and you get a smooth diverse evolvution of the host culture, that enriches all.

Sh*t.. Writing thats made me hungry! LoL
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cliffedwards
Sep 5, 2016 5:19am
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7 hours and not one comment? LoL
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 5:23am
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It was a statement of fact. Does it really require a comment?
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cliffedwards
Sep 5, 2016 7:18am
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Quoting verv
Correct

People need to stop acting that Leave voters expected plain sailing.
Whos been doing that?
I dont see anybody, except Leave Voters THEMSELVES?
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 7:42am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Whos been doing that?
I dont see anybody, except Leave Voters THEMSELVES?
Careful cliffedwards, your neutral shield is slipping again
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cliffedwards
Sep 5, 2016 11:10am
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@verv You are now becoming offensive.

BTW who is "we"? as in "we can decide"
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 11:36am
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Quoting Mingary
Brexit is one event that if it does not happen, the world will never know the misery that was avoided.
What misery?
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 11:49am
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Quoting theras2000
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 50 million people. Was this a good thing?
I'm sorry, but I don't understand you point
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Devauxt
Sep 5, 2016 2:01pm
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Quoting Mingary
The Great Replacement
What are you on about?
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Trader#5675
Sep 5, 2016 6:16am
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but GBP/USD is not really bullish as the services PMI remain positive. pls comment
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