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  • #121
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:13pm Sep 2, 2016 1:13pm
if point of control is daily opeing then how to you determine VAH and VAL?
  • #122
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:16pm Sep 2, 2016 1:16pm
Quoting AstroStudent
{quote} yes, eyeballing it. Now absorbing your teaching, trying to understand your last 2 attachments. totally, new insight for me.
Its a long journey, thats why most fail but if you stick in there you will do it.
  • #123
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:18pm Sep 2, 2016 1:18pm
Quoting AstroStudent
if point of control is daily opeing then how to you determine VAH and VAL?
There are two ways to determine these values - One is by using Market Profile but plotting it in a similar way to a pivot. The other way which I prefer is using the CPR to plot the value areas. on my UJ chart those values are the orange lines. I have the code I will post. I use the PP daily as POC. Sometimes I use Market profile for no other reason then to be a bit bling in front of my wife as she does not know MP but just trades the big time frame pivs. She has no interest in day trading.

Thats why you have to work out whats for you. High speed running then trade the daily pivs.

Snails pace, trade the big targets, the big pivs.
  • #124
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:20pm Sep 2, 2016 1:20pm
Quoting Dennis1468
{quote} Its a long journey, thats why most fail but if you stick in there you will do it.
actually, i took a catnap.
another silly question, is IV always between VAH and POC?
  • #125
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:30pm Sep 2, 2016 1:30pm
Quoting AstroStudent
{quote} actually, i took a catnap. another silly question, is IV always between VAH and POC?
good question.................No it can also be between POC and VAL. Those are big glues to the momentum it will attract when it breaks from last few days overlapping higher values. You see the Gap back last day. IV inside prior day just by a snip it. Interest by professionals, evident in price. All is there printed on open before a candle hits 7 ticks.
  • #126
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:32pm Sep 2, 2016 1:32pm
Candles paint price - Price is not value - Value can only be perceived. Now we perceiving it with the big paper sellers.
  • #127
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:44pm Sep 2, 2016 1:44pm
Market opened higher then prior days close so you would have bought. Days CPR was inside yesterdays CPR Value. The professionals sold of immediately then waited for the gap and fade back to sell of some more. The crowd caught royally as the marketeers call it a fake out. Thats nonsense its a gap and fade!

SELL 20 AT 128 filled 10 AT 128 .........................................REMAINING BALANCE AT 128 FILLED AGAINST STOPS AT MARKET ACTUAL ON THE GAP AND FADE BACK.

MARKET CANT TAKE 20 MIL ONE LOAD THATS YOUR GAP AND FADE.....................SLIPPAGE
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  • #128
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:48pm Sep 2, 2016 1:48pm
may I know what and where is the gap you are referring to?
  • #129
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:50pm Sep 2, 2016 1:50pm
same OLD REPETITION
  • #130
  • Sep 2, 2016 1:53pm Sep 2, 2016 1:53pm
Quoting AstroStudent
may I know what and where is the gap you are referring to?
Ah good question.....for a marketeer a gap is unpainted real estate. For a pro Trader a Gap up or a gap down is preceded by a fade back.

What the marketeers refer to as a gap is refereed to by professional traders has a open block. I will paint a chart gap and fade
  • #131
  • Sep 2, 2016 2:02pm Sep 2, 2016 2:02pm
Gap down Fade back - and on the prior day was a Gap up and fade back....

SELL 20 AT 128 filled 10 AT 128 GAP Down Balance filled on the Fade. Anymore orders Sir. Thank you for your business. Have a nice day (Filled).
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  • #132
  • Sep 2, 2016 2:10pm Sep 2, 2016 2:10pm
Quoting Dennis1468
Gap down Fade back - and on the prior day was a Gap up and fade back.... SELL 20 AT 128 filled 10 AT 128 GAP Down Balance filled on the Fade. Anymore orders Sir. Thank you for your business. Have a nice day (Filled). {image}
crystal clear, thanks
  • #133
  • Sep 2, 2016 2:16pm Sep 2, 2016 2:16pm
Quoting AstroStudent
{quote} crystal clear, thanks
Now that all this stuff is clearer....beginning of thread.............and quote

Trading is a game of repetitions. Traders that can consistently trade the best repetitions are those that have mastered the markets

Your ability to determine which market participants are influencing price will allow you to judge the conviction and behavior of price movement"

​...........................starting to make sense...............nothing happens theres only 6 types of market days..............if you know em. and how to anticipate them your just trading repetitions....

Only need 7 ticks of the first bar open (You need that so you can calculate your daily pivs or your indi does) and then measure the opening balance ...then measure your CPR then plot your moves on the fade back or play the break away

Target are simple those are plotted for you already , just work out what type of trader you are, Day, Swing, position, Long term
  • #134
  • Sep 2, 2016 2:20pm Sep 2, 2016 2:20pm
No lagging indicators on my thread............How to predict markets, Catch the moves at value
  • #135
  • Sep 2, 2016 2:30pm Sep 2, 2016 2:30pm
Dennis,

interesting work. ill really try to listen in and try to contribute

the best, no noise pair i tried to trade td...few orders left out (btw. did short UJ before the NFP +40) targeting low of IB - had USDCAD play, and saw that UJ could follow.

Picture: up there a bit of distribution..over the IB before NY session..then sellers came in..then also price follows decided direction. confirmed by the index (GBP and CAD)..but seems we gonna have distribution next. whats your view.
and if you have time..what can you say about brent oil (swing trade wizze) - thanks

Note: thread started on great momentum - one needs to calm down and listen thru thread. hm, perhaps Im old fashion but still I miss strong general rules . some common direction. yes, i read thru . miss structure. Just my 2 cents

note: Just saw the note on lagging indicators - ya, index play is a bit of a lag, but I try to trade the lowest values on the scale - getting the now as soon as possible. I agree
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  • #136
  • Edited 3:40pm Sep 2, 2016 2:47pm | Edited 3:40pm
Quoting 21vs7
Dennis, interesting work. ill really try to listen in and try to contribute the best, no noise pair i tried to trade td...few orders left out (btw. did short UJ before the NFP +40) targeting low of IB - had USDCAD play, and saw that UJ could follow. Picture: up there a bit of distribution..over the IB before NY session..then sellers came in..then also price follows decided direction. confirmed by the index (GBP and CAD)..but seems we gonna have distribution next. whats your view. and if you have time..what can you say about brent oil (swing trade...

Thx Bro...I need a moderator. USD CAD S1 GREEN Line Position Traders Target towards end of this month expect retracment BACK TO MONTHLY P short term big fat white line is now WHICH IS NOW major resistance. Selling down big paper sellers/crude inventories 50,aybe re touch a barrel below 28 on the deck(DEC)

Note theres no re touch from the Gap up 1284 so paper sellers on the fade back 1 302 is now resitance/TARGET 1 28
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  • #137
  • Sep 2, 2016 2:59pm Sep 2, 2016 2:59pm
USD CAD

note the CPR pivot width /rolling relationship today against yesterday ............ = TODAY IS OUTSIDE LOWER.
Which means wait - let market gap down and fade back to Value (Back to CPR) = Sell the CPR fade the move. Same Story different currency


Imprinting brains to be successful trading robots..................... Trading is a game of repetitions. Traders that can consistently trade the best repetitions are those that have mastered the markets
  • #138
  • Sep 2, 2016 3:14pm Sep 2, 2016 3:14pm
Quoting AstroStudent
{quote} crystal clear, thanks
AJ AS PREDICTED
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  • #139
  • Sep 2, 2016 3:18pm Sep 2, 2016 3:18pm
Quoting Dennis1468
Just to simplify things for newer traders. do you see that the CPR in the chart below white and orange lines helps you determine a daily center of gravity. And the Grey lines which are daily pivot points help you to determine reasonable targets. See how GU above reached R3 and pulled back? Now we can determine what the professional day traders are doing. On this day on GU ! a tight initial balance on the Central Daily Pivot point was to good to miss as this correlated with the Weekly central Pivot point. Market hit R3, a reasonable target for day...

Earlier on GU
  • #140
  • Sep 2, 2016 3:21pm Sep 2, 2016 3:21pm
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