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  • #21
  • Jul 16, 2016 12:27pm Jul 16, 2016 12:27pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} I am not surprised, at all, why there are so many perfectly shaped rounded idiots. This is exactly why there are 99.95% of losers among the traders. Because they are knowing the direction. The results happen to prove, they "knew" it wrong... Ask any decent broker or better, a liquidity provider, about the real percentage of the winning retail traders? Now, let me explain you, why a round idiot cannot figure that out. First of all, when you hedge, you miss the part with guessing the direction. Now you are outside the of losers area...
mate, you do realize, that magic moment when you "release the losing side", you could just enter an initial position then and save yourself a commission/spread?
This isn't complicated surely?
  • #22
  • Edited 2:06pm Jul 16, 2016 12:30pm | Edited 2:06pm
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Once there is a move, you can then release the loser. Only when YOU SEE the final direction happening

Or enter normally at this point...there's NO difference...and there's never a "final direction", markets can turn always, you will never have 100% direction

therefore:

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Trading with one trade, one direction, might put you at the wrong side of the movement.

You can also get caught at the wrong side of the movement when you close on of your sides and the market turns against you
"Men Who Can Both Be Right & Sit Tight Are Uncommon" ~ Jesse Livermore
  • #23
  • Jul 16, 2016 12:41pm Jul 16, 2016 12:41pm
Quoting michisuperfr
Hahaha you're a funny guy...not one of your demo Hedging TE is even in profit and you talk here like you know shit {quote} Or enter normally at this point...there's NO difference...and there's never a "final direction", markets can turn always, you will never have 100% direction therefore: {quote} You can also get caught at the wrong side of the movement when you close on of your sides and the market turns against you What you talk has 0 logic and your TE's prove that for you. {quote} http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31221286/Performance.png...
After a few drinks, out of boredom I have a look at what people post. I often get a cheap laugh, but sometimes I just feel bad for these poor souls. Some of them might be drunk but some are just not 100% if you know what I mean..
  • #24
  • Jul 16, 2016 12:54pm Jul 16, 2016 12:54pm
[quote=metta87;9033265]
Quoting maximumguita
{quote} you took the bait
mhh... maybe that was MY bait
(.)(.) think first ...
  • #25
  • Jul 16, 2016 1:01pm Jul 16, 2016 1:01pm
Quoting michisuperfr
Hahaha you're a funny guy...not one of your demo Hedging TE is even in profit and you talk here like you know shit
anyways. good luck with your trading.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #26
  • Edited 2:42pm Jul 16, 2016 1:08pm | Edited 2:42pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} anyways. good luck with your trading.
I wish you too man! I understand if it helps you psychologically

- You hedge your losing position and don't lose more money for now and win time to think about that trade

-> But I realized that for me it is better to just cut the damn loss as quick as possible as soon as I don't like how my trade goes and move on...if the move comes later to a S/R zone or something I can still enter "normally" and win my lost money back (It's the same thing when I close one of the sides at the area/point)

- You are already "in the move" before a spike happens and "just need to close one side"

-> When Im honest with me...if I click the "x" and close one side or click the "buy/sell" button...no difference...only psychologically but therefore double cost.

I think way way more important is the reason/your system why you enter/close at which risk etc.
"Men Who Can Both Be Right & Sit Tight Are Uncommon" ~ Jesse Livermore
  • #27
  • Jul 16, 2016 1:08pm Jul 16, 2016 1:08pm
Quoting BubaYaga
{quote} mate, you do realize, that magic moment when you "release the losing side", you could just enter an initial position then and save yourself a commission/spread? This isn't complicated surely?
Yes, that is another approach, but somehow, you guys conveniently escape the simple fact that 99.95% of all retail traders are losers and are trading this way? Something gotta be wrong with that... Now you can laugh as much as you like, but the chances you are within the 99.95% group seems to me to be like 99.99%. And that, unfortunately, puts a small sad smile on my face...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #28
  • Jul 16, 2016 6:26pm Jul 16, 2016 6:26pm
Let me tell you ... put it together with the pure hedging had to cut losses.
Pure Hedging technique, is the same as the cut loss.
Experienced traders will understand what I mean
  • #29
  • Jul 20, 2016 7:01am Jul 20, 2016 7:01am
Quoting Jellyfish
Let me tell you ... put it together with the pure hedging had to cut losses. Pure Hedging technique, is the same as the cut loss. Experienced traders will understand what I mean
I totally disagree with that. I am not using hedging this way - to cut losses. I try to use it the other way around. Maybe that is why I get so many enemies here on FF. It is OK for me to have different opinions with someone (on hedging... and not only).
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #30
  • Jul 21, 2016 8:02am Jul 21, 2016 8:02am
here is a nice way to hedge. The 35 pips of spread screwed up my nice dd, which was just -$24 before the us news... Still, not bad result for an hour of trading with my crystal ball i call this strategy, cause it guesses right the next direction in 8 out of 10 times. That is exactly why, the results are so impressive...
http://a67.tinypic.com/r7pwmx.jpg
http://a65.tinypic.com/2vw8kqq.jpg
http://a65.tinypic.com/ofx5j6.jpg
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #31
  • Jul 21, 2016 10:44pm Jul 21, 2016 10:44pm
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This is how 1k profit made by hedging looks like. The distance in between two white lines is 10 pips. Same is the distance in between two orange lines - 10 pips.

These are the details from the log:
0 03:47:35.025 FX5 2.51 GBPUSDpro,M1: Closing all trades for GBPUSDpro. Closed by TotalTargetUSD. Range: 26.9, PL: 1004.60
0 03:47:35.025 FX5 2.51 GBPUSDpro,M1: Alert: Closing all trades for GBPUSDpro. Closed by TotalTargetUSD. Range: 26.9, PL: 1004.60
0 03:47:35.681 FX5 2.51 GBPUSDpro,M1: Opening a HEDGE TOTAL trade. Type: 0, LotSize: 2.96, BuyLots: 6.730000000, SellLots: 9.690000000
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Speaking of hedging and closures, the trading have started at balance of $12,089, but all was closed at $13,236. The TotalTargetUSD was reached at $1,004. The math shows when one closes down with a hedge (multiple close by is called the approach), the is an extra profit of over 20%.

But who am I to speak or teach you about hedging?!?
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #32
  • Jul 22, 2016 8:58am Jul 22, 2016 8:58am
i just got back from the pool with the kids. Before going there I saw this, a second 1k close for today. The balance is $14,403 now (from $13,326). This time closing the trades with the hedge brought me around $80 bucks on top of the 1k total target reached.

Please, pay good attention that all that had happened, while the ea was hedging, was in a 40-45 pips frame (range). Now i have a tool that tells me when there is a range going on. It does tell me when the range is over, but kind of too late. So, i took three profits (600+1,000+1,000) and made almost $3,000 net (the multiple close by closure approach gave me almost $400 of bonuses on top of the regular profit targets).

That is exactly how HEDGING DOES NOT WORK. Surely, it does not work for you folks. For others, hedging is an amazing trading style, quite profitable one, indeed...

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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #33
  • Jul 22, 2016 9:11am Jul 22, 2016 9:11am
Nothing meaningful is being said here by the way.. Its all cryptic rubbish.. Martingale alone can bite you hard, so if there is nothing else to add about this matter, lets just get on with our trades..
I still need a trading break soon!!! "Loose some to win more" --Baher A.
  • #34
  • Nov 14, 2016 9:27am Nov 14, 2016 9:27am
Quoting MoneyZilla
i just got back from the pool with the kids. Before going there I saw this, a second 1k close for today. The balance is $14,403 now (from $13,326). This time closing the trades with the hedge brought me around $80 bucks on top of the 1k total target reached. Please, pay good attention that all that had happened, while the ea was hedging, was in a 40-45 pips frame (range). Now i have a tool that tells me when there is a range going on. It does tell me when the range is over, but kind of too late. So, i took three profits (600+1,000+1,000) and made...
Hello MoneyZilla,
I like your trading style, but I'm not sure I understood it correctly. If you don't mind, I'll ask some questions:
- you open a buy and a sell at the same time? And then, when you see a movement you close the negative one and let the positive one run?
- when the price goes down you buy and when it goes up you sell? But how do you hedge?
- which indicator on MT4 are you using to determine the range and the trend?
I thank you in advance for your reply.
Paride
  • #35
  • Nov 16, 2016 7:41am Nov 16, 2016 7:41am
Quoting Paride
{quote} you open a buy and a sell at the same time?
that is one of the approaches.

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And then, when you see a movement you close the negative one and let the positive one run?
yes. m15/30 and/or h1/4 MA cross (fast 12, slow 36) might be a good indication for some pips. sometimes that kind of MA cross gives 200-300-400 pips, but that is hard to endure. at least for me. i do not have the discipline to follow this otherwise wonderful approach.

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when the price goes down you buy and when it goes up you sell?
yes. that is on the screenshots i have posted here. every m1 i open an array of buy trades below and sell trades above. no SL. only 30 pips TP. depending on the move, it does closes the buys first and then most of the sells. The rate moves 100 linear pips on D1, while making 300-400-500 accordion pips on H1, for example. on m1, the accordion pips are in between 1,500 and 3,500 for the same 100 D1 pips.

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But how do you hedge?
with one trade, open the difference in between the buy and the sell lots and you will lock down whatever the result is in there in between.

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which indicator on MT4 are you using to determine the range and the trend?
i am using my own custom build indicator. it detects the range, 100-130 pips at range's core quite before the range is visible on the chart. and that is for the short stay type of ranges: 6 hours to 1/2 day or higher.

the limit approach is especially favorable in range times. the stop approach is good for the trending times. i do prefer the range times. trend is hard to trade. me is a weak trend trader... as of now.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #36
  • Nov 17, 2016 7:10am Nov 17, 2016 7:10am
Wow, your broker must be really happy MoneyZilla

Hmm, but I can't see any TE results of your trading. Maybe i missed something.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that you are not profitable, but I don't buy on words.
  • #37
  • Jan 28, 2017 4:39pm Jan 28, 2017 4:39pm
Hi Moneyzilla
Thanks for sharing your tradestyle which for me could be my own personel "holygrail".., purely by my gutfeel..,
please give share a link for more detailed knowlegde about your "hedgestyle" trading techniq..,

Best to your all

pjort,,,,
Are you profitable? I am not... yet...
  • #38
  • Aug 15, 2017 7:29am Aug 15, 2017 7:29am
Any one did an EA hedge basket trading using multiple pair. Close all postilion once it reach the TP value
  • #39
  • Dec 17, 2017 6:59pm Dec 17, 2017 6:59pm
I tried margingale on tester before, as long as the lost don't go to level 7 then it should be fine. The question is how to avoid this?
How do we cut down the downward spikes
  • #40
  • Dec 19, 2017 7:50pm Dec 19, 2017 7:50pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
i just got back from the pool with the kids. Before going there I saw this, a second 1k close for today. The balance is $14,403 now (from $13,326). This time closing the trades with the hedge brought me around $80 bucks on top of the 1k total target reached. Please, pay good attention that all that had happened, while the ea was hedging, was in a 40-45 pips frame (range). Now i have a tool that tells me when there is a range going on. It does tell me when the range is over, but kind of too late. So, i took three profits (600+1,000+1,000) and made...
Hi MoneyZilla,

I am interested in your hedging strategy, would like to ask you few questions if possible. Mind to PM me please?

Thanks!
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