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  • #361
  • May 27, 2016 12:13pm May 27, 2016 12:13pm
just wondering if this is the correct down trendline connecting the last 2 peaks

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/24157/20160527-7ohi-90kb
  • #362
  • May 27, 2016 12:35pm May 27, 2016 12:35pm
Quoting n_aftab
just wondering if this is the correct down trendline connecting the last 2 peaks http://my.jetscreenshot.com/24157/20160527-7ohi-90kb
In my opinion your last one is not an obvious peak, i see it like a CP
Limit your loss, save partial gain and let the profit run!
  • #363
  • May 27, 2016 12:40pm May 27, 2016 12:40pm
you are right .. thanks !
  • #364
  • May 27, 2016 1:05pm May 27, 2016 1:05pm
Quoting MadMojosss
Hi there! I try to study the US index for have a better scenario of the US Dollar. This is my long term opinion about that: Monthly: we can draw a trend line connect the last 2 high and the trend is down. Demand in control and we have margin to go down because the first demand level is far away from the current price. {image} Weekly: trend down again. Price react to a previous demand level and test it for the second time the previous supply level. We are to high so the best way is find opportunities to go short. {image} I don't use the daily chart...
Ok, Ok, enough of the hacking of AKT's computer guys or i'm calling the Police!!!

Thank you for this Mauro. I have the exact same analysis.
Doesn't mean we are correct but at least we are following the process.
Nice.

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #365
  • Edited 1:26pm May 27, 2016 1:11pm | Edited 1:26pm
Hello everyone,
I don't usually like doing this but i thought it might be helpful to the newer traders joining us everyday, to show that this is possible and it does work.

Here is my live trade on the Euro. I showed it to one of my guys during a session we had together yesterday. its 2 positions but the second one is hidden behind the first so it is hard to see

Please understand, this is no brag.
It is merely a pictorial to show that even retail traders like us can do well at this, with patience, determination and focus on the process and application of a set of rules.

best wishes
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  • #366
  • May 27, 2016 1:35pm May 27, 2016 1:35pm
Quoting kunzerk
Hi Akt, Great thread! I'm VERY happy to find a forum like yours.Your Charts are so clean and nice! Im a beginner trader with 3 years experience. This year I found this supply and demand method, which makes real sense for me. (and the only sense) I've found Sam Seiden's lessons, which are great. BUT I do not understand the confirmation entry type... what lies behind this kind of moves? For example SP500 this week {image} After the creation of the DZ the price didnt go so far, besides a big struggle started. And lastly the price launched like fireworks....
hello Kunzerk, nice to meet you.
Thank you for the question.
Please see my thoughts below
You may also want to look through the thread where i discussed confirmation entries, i believe it is a couple of pages back

best wishes
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  • #367
  • May 27, 2016 1:38pm May 27, 2016 1:38pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone, I don't usually like doing this but i thought it might be helpful to the newer traders joining us everyday, to show that this is possible and it does work. Here is my live trade on the Euro. I showed it to one of my guys during a session we had together yesterday. its 2 positions but the second one is hidden behind the first so it is hard to see Please understand, this is no brag. It is merely a pictorial to show that even retail traders like us can do well at this, with patience, determination and focus on the process and application...
The Same
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  • #368
  • May 27, 2016 1:46pm May 27, 2016 1:46pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} hello Kunzerk, nice to meet you. Thank you for the question. Please see my thoughts below You may also want to look through the thread where i discussed confirmation entries, i believe it is a couple of pages back best wishes{image}
This zone is not fresh/ Only confirmation
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  • #369
  • May 27, 2016 1:49pm May 27, 2016 1:49pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} hello Kunzerk, nice to meet you. Thank you for the question. Please see my thoughts below You may also want to look through the thread where i discussed confirmation entries, i believe it is a couple of pages back best wishes{image}

AKT

Can i ask, did you take time to learn from only the free material or did you subscribe to the paid area to learn too?
  • #370
  • May 27, 2016 1:56pm May 27, 2016 1:56pm
Quoting n_aftab
{quote} AKT Can i ask, did you take time to learn from only the free material or did you subscribe to the paid area to learn too?
To what paid area do you refer please?

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #371
  • May 27, 2016 2:13pm May 27, 2016 2:13pm
hi sorry should have been more specific.

I am only aware of 1 place to learn supply and demand

on set and forget .com Alfonso's forum

is there somewhere else to consider that you know of?

The only reason i am asking is i am considering it, but then i thought may aswell ask who else has paid and did they get learn a lot from it.
  • #372
  • May 27, 2016 2:25pm May 27, 2016 2:25pm
Quoting n_aftab
hi sorry should have been more specific. I am only aware of 1 place to learn supply and demand on set and forget .com Alfonso's forum is there somewhere else to consider that you know of? The only reason i am asking is i am considering it, but then i thought may aswell ask who else has paid and did they get learn a lot from it.
Ah, gotcha.
I did not learn from that forum but i am sure it is a good one, knowing the owner.
I have been trading S.A.D well before that.
There are many sources to learn it but can be quite expensive depending on where you go.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #373
  • May 27, 2016 4:59pm May 27, 2016 4:59pm
Quoting n_aftab
I am only aware of 1 place to learn supply and demand
If you use the 'Search' function on ForexFactory and type 'Supply Demand' you might be surprised how many threads there are.
  • #374
  • May 27, 2016 5:06pm May 27, 2016 5:06pm
Practice: putting the pieces together
.zones
.TL's
.Top-Down
.LTF confirmation

GBPCAD:

M
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  • #375
  • May 27, 2016 11:31pm May 27, 2016 11:31pm
Hello Akt,
These look like possible entries using confirmation on entry time frame off of higher time frame supply. But none of them worked out. Is there a way to avoid pitfalls like this? If I go to a higher time like 15m for entries it seems like I miss the boat. And catching a falling knife would of been disastrous. Comments or suggestions would be helpful.
Thanks.
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  • #376
  • May 27, 2016 11:50pm May 27, 2016 11:50pm
Quoting livindaylite
Practice: putting the pieces together .zones .TL's .Top-Down .LTF confirmation GBPCAD: M {image} W {image} D {image} H4 {image} M5 - entry {image}
Hello livingdaylite.
thank you for this, nice aesthetics.

i would like to take the opportunity of your post to raise the issue of time frame connectivity.

We all must make a decision about what type of trader we are individually, even before opening a single chart.
That decision is usually largely based on our individual life circumstances at the present time.

if for example, the trader has a small family, or is working a day job with long hours it may be near impossible to be a day trader.
Equally, if as Sun Tzu says, the trader knows himself and his personality and understands that swing trading with a WD4HR time sequence is too slow for his personality and may ultimately be harmful to his trading because he may start to force traded out of boredom, then he/she may decide to use a WD1HR time sequence.

This decision about time frames is critical because it helps the trader manage his expectations about each trade he takes.

A trader for example, trading the 3M-M-W time sequence has no business entering a trade or monitoring his trade on a 30 min or 5 min chart. There is just too big a disconnect in terms of the temporal nature of the charts. The time frames must be within 2 reasonable multiples of each other.

So, if i am trading the D-60-5 time sequence i immediately know that the chances are that my trades will be short lived to my targets and so i will exit accordingly when the trade goes my way.

Ideally, the time between each chart in the trader's time sequence should be no less than a multiple of 4, some S.A.D traders use a multiple of 3. It is a personal choice

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #377
  • May 27, 2016 11:59pm May 27, 2016 11:59pm
Quoting goathed1
Hello Akt, These look like possible entries using confirmation on entry time frame off of higher time frame supply. But none of them worked out. Is there a way to avoid pitfalls like this? If I go to a higher time like 15m for entries it seems like I miss the boat. And catching a falling knife would of been disastrous. Comments or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. {image} {image}
Hello goathed. Great question. Thank you

A few things,

With confirmation entries, the rule is that the trades are taken inside the zone. You want the trend line break or the removal of an opposing zone on your entry time frame to take place inside the bigger time frame you are interested at trading at.
A trend line break on a smaller time frame, before price reaches a higher time frame is not so good.

secondly, some of your trend lines on the 5 minute are not accurate so it would have been difficult to correctly assess a loss of momentum.

Thirdly, always consider the nearest zone to you potential trade, is there enough of a profit margin?.
Basically, asking that question of yourself automatically makes you look for the opposing zone, the zone that may be a hinderance to your trade. If it too close on the larger time frame then no trade.
The 4hr had a RBR demand zone right below the SZ you highlighted. The approach/arrival was not so good therefore.

Remember, No profit margin, no trade.

i hope that helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #378
  • May 28, 2016 12:09am May 28, 2016 12:09am
Quoting n_aftab
just wondering if this is the correct down trendline connecting the last 2 peaks http://my.jetscreenshot.com/24157/20160527-7ohi-90kb
Hello n_aftab
About the DXY trend line
I would like to encourage you to use a tool to trace out price. it helps to take the ambiguity out of the analysis sometimes

best wishes
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  • #379
  • May 28, 2016 4:06am May 28, 2016 4:06am
is that the zig zag tool?

thanks for the advice will look at it now
  • #380
  • May 28, 2016 4:28am May 28, 2016 4:28am
Quoting n_aftab
is that the zig zag tool? thanks for the advice will look at it now
No, n_aftab it isn't.
This is a polyline drawing tool on trading view. You can manually use it to trace price.

Alternatively, you could use the zig-zag tool but that is less reliable i have found, because for one, i can toggle the strength of the indicator to show me what i want to see, not what the chart is saying, not cool. secondly, you have to wait for the close of the current candle for updates on the indicator, so there is a lag to it.

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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