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  • #181
  • May 17, 2016 10:15am May 17, 2016 10:15am
Quoting livindaylite
{quote} I am beginning to realize I know almost nothing if I can't even recognize an SD zone; my M Dz. was completely off. Thank you for the refresher and illuminating the way.
Hello livingdaylite.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Like everything it take practice.
Keep going, clearly, you are getting there.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #182
  • Edited 11:29am May 17, 2016 10:16am | Edited 11:29am
Quoting livindaylite
Have a few questions and I welcome comments, views - even answers! Chart happens to be AUDJPY, but it could be any. Sometimes i think I know what a SD zone is and at other times I haven't got a clue. Another question is as to the rules or distinction I've read here about Selling vs. Supply. It kinda depends on this chart whether there is a M Dz. withing the M Dz. The 'Diamond' thingy/mess is also interesting; whether people have observations to share on that also. I hope the screenshot makes the questions clearer and self-evident Cheers {image}
Hi livindaylite.

it is my view on this pair published 15 days ago. https://www.tradingview.com/chart/AU...p30aWW-AUDJPY/

I sold on 240 min SZ because there was a lot of room till nearest fresh Mn DZ and W1 DZ
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  • #183
  • May 17, 2016 10:33am May 17, 2016 10:33am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello livingdaylite Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Much obliged. Please see below, my thoughts on the curve time frame for the sequence best wishes {image}

Hello Akt/ Great chart
  • #184
  • Edited 11:29am May 17, 2016 11:14am | Edited 11:29am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello livingdaylite Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Much obliged. Please see below, my thoughts on the curve time frame for the sequence best wishes {image}
Hello Akt,

My question was rather directed at the validity of the long trade, using smaller tf's given we are in a Monthly & Weekly level of control, still?

But, since you've shared the fresh weekly levels I noticed again that I might have drawn them differently. I guess I've been more instinctive about it. I think many times they're obvious. When I first watched Sam Seiden he'd just wrap his lines around an order block and sometimes one just adapts or different people have different styles? But, I never learnt any specific rules.

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* What bearing does that fresh level down there have in the context of where we are now?
We have strong W downward pressure coming into M demand.
  • #185
  • May 17, 2016 11:16am May 17, 2016 11:16am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Weekly TL livingdaylite best wishes {image}
ok, THAT - is weird, lol..
Tell that TL to get in the game...
  • #186
  • Edited 11:32am May 17, 2016 11:20am | Edited 11:32am
Quoting conom589
{quote} Hi livindaylite. it is my view on this pair published 15 days ago. https://www.tradingview.com/chart/AU...p30aWW-AUDJPY/ I sold on 240 min SZ because there was a lot of room till nearest fresh Mn SZ and W1 SZ {image}
Well played and congratz. conom
You took a bit of heat but it worked out good.
Drinks are on you.
  • #187
  • May 17, 2016 11:35am May 17, 2016 11:35am
There was one on H4 today too
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  • #188
  • May 17, 2016 2:00pm May 17, 2016 2:00pm
Quoting livindaylite
{quote} Hello Akt, My question was rather directed at the validity of the long trade, using smaller tf's given we are in a Monthly & Weekly level of control, still? But, since you've shared the fresh weekly levels I noticed again that I might have drawn them differently. I guess I've been more instinctive about it. I think many times they're obvious. When I first watched Sam Seiden he'd just wrap his lines around an order block and sometimes one just adapts or different people have different styles? But, I never learnt any specific rules. {image}...
Oh, livingdaylite, don't get me wrong, I did not draw the zones sepacifically on my chart, i just drew a ball park area of the fresh level.

There is clearly a L.o.L scenario at that DZ, so for the curve, better to just combine both since you are not trading off the curve time frame but using it to know where you are.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #189
  • May 17, 2016 2:12pm May 17, 2016 2:12pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello livingdaylite. If i may please. there are only 2 definitions of a demand zone as you know. 1. A demand zone is a price level where the supply demand equation at that level is resolved by a rally out of that price level accompanied by the violation of an opposing area of selling above and to the left of it. 2. A demand zone is a price level where the supply demand equation at that level is resolved by a rally out of that price level accompanied by the violation of the momentum of the time frame the level is located on There are only...
Thank you for the concept of "pivot" showed in your chart, make much sense!
  • #190
  • May 18, 2016 6:08am May 18, 2016 6:08am
After getting beaten down with some losses and missing out on optimal entries, I have caught wind in my sails with GBP/JPY. The second screenshot was taken to show the frustration I felt last night when my trade missed me by 0.8 pips!! At first I was peeved off but then realized, I know my stuff when it comes to picking levels.
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  • #191
  • Edited 7:49am May 18, 2016 7:27am | Edited 7:49am
Denden2012, You are
  • #192
  • May 18, 2016 7:43am May 18, 2016 7:43am
Quoting Lade
Dende2012, You are
Thank you Lade, although I am wrong oftentimes, I do have to thank this thread and the contribution by all its participants for my continual development through practical application.

A new development about my style, I am noticing is that the TF I am trading (4H) is not fitting in with my personality as I am a bit more impatient and seek more frequent reward/punishment by the market. Therefore, I will be focusing more on 1H execution TF as opposed to 4H.
  • #193
  • May 18, 2016 8:05am May 18, 2016 8:05am
More practice:

GBPAUD
M
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D
Since trend is UP, we wait for retracements to long or HTF Sz. i.e Weekly to short.
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  • #194
  • May 18, 2016 8:50am May 18, 2016 8:50am
Quoting livindaylite
More practice: GBPAUD M {image} W {image} D Since trend is UP, we wait for retracements to long or HTF Sz. i.e Weekly to short. {image}
Excellent analysis livindaylite.
  • #195
  • May 18, 2016 10:32am May 18, 2016 10:32am
Quoting Denden2012
{quote} Excellent analysis livindaylite.
Thank you, and congrats on your GJ long, Denden.

There was some positive data but I think it was the Queen of the British Isles who talked the market up and literally blew the wind into the sails of the GBP.
GBP has had an ADR of 106 pips for the last 10 days but today has already notched up 227 pips!

You mentioned some losses. Just curious; was that because you didn't follow rules or just the inevitable mathematical reality that some fail regardless how A+ the setup?
  • #196
  • May 18, 2016 10:46am May 18, 2016 10:46am
My Boss Livindaylite.
your post is excellent but kindly see my comment on this image.
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  • #197
  • May 18, 2016 12:28pm May 18, 2016 12:28pm
Quoting Lade
My Boss Livindaylite. your post is excellent but kindly see my comment on this image. {image}
Hello Lade,
Thank you for your feedback. I know you were being friendly and diplomatic but, really, I am no one's boss
I take your point as far as the rules here being taught are concerned.
I was thinking the same about no W Sz. being taken out on the left as it went up, but somehow in my oldskool way, it's still demand, lol...I still don't know ALL the rules, and I'm hoping there is an exception, somehow. For all practical intent and purpose, if/when P comes back to that level do we ignore it?

But, well spotted - thanks again
  • #198
  • May 18, 2016 7:29pm May 18, 2016 7:29pm
Quoting Denden2012
After getting beaten down with some losses and missing out on optimal entries, I have caught wind in my sails with GBP/JPY. The second screenshot was taken to show the frustration I felt last night when my trade missed me by 0.8 pips!! At first I was peeved off but then realized, I know my stuff when it comes to picking levels. {image} {image}
Hello Denden.
Thank you for sharing you journey regarding that trade.
It is an important lesson for all of us on a number of fronts.
1. When you start getting good at this and finding institutional levels, you will notice like you have that many times price misses your levels because the institutions are front running you. To handle that, one way is to start to front run them sometimes.
2. The more important lesson is that of the MIND. You are becoming mindful. Mindful of yourself, your trading personality. Well done and thank you.

As Sun Tzu says....If you know yourself and know your enemy, you will not be defeated in a hundred battles; if you know yourself but not your enemy, for every battle you win, you will suffer a loss; if you know not yourself nor your enemy, you will succumb in every battle. Selah

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #199
  • May 18, 2016 7:51pm May 18, 2016 7:51pm
Quoting livindaylite
More practice: GBPAUD M {image} W {image} D Since trend is UP, we wait for retracements to long or HTF Sz. i.e Weekly to short. {image}
Hello livingdaylite.
If I may please, on the GBPAUD

Best wishes
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #200
  • May 18, 2016 8:32pm May 18, 2016 8:32pm
Quoting livindaylite
{quote} You mentioned some losses. Just curious; was that because you didn't follow rules or just the inevitable mathematical reality that some fail regardless how A+ the setup?
Hi livindaylite most of my losses are because my mind wants to always be in a trade. I sometimes struggle to keep my trigger finger at bay and i pay for it EVERY TIME. You would think I'd learn by now but that is not always the case. I am getting better at it but the losses are typically a result of that. My A+ setups almost always workout for me but my patience is not there yet, alot of times I bail out only to see the plan going my way. This is why I have switched to a D, 4H 1H TF as opposed to WK, D, 4H, as the swing TF at this point in my life and development isn't working for me. Bottom line is I am too impatient to wait.

Another problem I have is I hold onto losing trades. I figure at the time, I don't want to lose X amount of money so following that logic, I end up losing XX amount of money as I have a tendency to widen my stops HOPING (I have learned hope is useless part of my trading psychology) that the trade would work itself out in my direction, that typically happens only about 10% of the time. Live and learn I guess.

To recap, all my loses are a result of me, not the system.

Akt, thank you for your kind words. Whats funny is I tried front running them aggressively in this case but I think they have bugged my computer and are working to conspire against me.
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