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  • #41
  • May 8, 2016 8:47am May 8, 2016 8:47am
An exotic pair but I know there are some of you who trade it

USD/ZAR

Best wishes

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  • #42
  • May 8, 2016 10:57am May 8, 2016 10:57am
Bravo Akt!
  • #43
  • May 8, 2016 11:17am May 8, 2016 11:17am
I have a useful tool I would like to share with everyone which gives an easy way of determining your targets based on the risk you take. It uses a modified fibonacci extension tool and I will lay it out for you here. I use MT4 as my platform but it should not be too different on other platforms.

Go to the fibonacci expansion tool properties and click on the fibo levels tab.

Erase all the default settings and replace the defaults with the following.

Level: Description:
0 ----- %$ Stop Loss
1 ----- %$ Entry
2 ----- %$ 1:1 RR
3 ----- %$ 2:1 RR
4 ----- %$ 3:1 RR
5 ----- %$ 4:1 RR
6 ----- %$ 5:1 RR
7 ----- %$ 6:1 RR
8 ----- %$ 7:1 RR
9 ----- %$ 8:1 RR
10 ----- %$ 9:1 RR
11 ----- %$ 10:1 RR

Note: Do not include the dashes, they are there because the forum will not allow me to place multiple empty spaces

After you do that, and you are ready to place an entry, you can use the modified fibo extension tool to measure your TP area based on the risk you have determined for yourself. Look at the screenshot I have posted. Your fibo should look like that afterwards.

I hope this modification helps you in determining your exits BEFORE you enter the trade. Plan your trades first then execute.
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  • #44
  • May 8, 2016 11:27am May 8, 2016 11:27am
Quoting Denden2012
I have a useful tool I would like to share with everyone which gives an easy way of determining your targets based on the risk you take. It uses a modified fibonacci extension tool and I will lay it out for you here. I use MT4 as my platform but it should not be too different on other platforms. Go to the fibonacci expansion tool properties and click on the fibo levels tab. Erase all the default settings and replace the defaults with the following. Level: Description: 0 ----- %$ Stop Loss 1 ----- %$ Entry 2 ----- %$ 1:1 RR 3 ----- %$ 2:1 RR 4 -----...
Excellent work Denden
I must make a note to try this out on trading view. Much obliged

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #45
  • May 8, 2016 12:31pm May 8, 2016 12:31pm
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Very new to this. Posted it as well in your TV thread. Have I identified these zones correctly. Hopefully the chart appears
  • #46
  • May 8, 2016 1:11pm May 8, 2016 1:11pm
Hi Act, reading Moreno's thread I saw your posts and excellent contributes.
I joined FF long time ago but after a short (and painfull) forex intraday experience with small accounts I decided to recapitalize and become a swing trader mostly on stocks and etfs with mixed results. I always was feeling to miss something ...
Now this SAD tecnique seems the "key" for me to really understand the market so I'm here to learn :-)
A big thanks to you for your effort to help people! Autaret
p.s. sorry for my English
  • #47
  • May 8, 2016 1:28pm May 8, 2016 1:28pm
For you livingdaylight.
I hope it helps

best wishes

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  • #48
  • May 8, 2016 1:30pm May 8, 2016 1:30pm
Quoting autaret
Hi Act, reading Moreno's thread I saw your posts and excellent contributes. I joined FF long time ago but after a short (and painfull) forex intraday experience with small accounts I decided to recapitalize and become a swing trader mostly on stocks and etfs with mixed results. I always was feeling to miss something ... Now this SAD tecnique seems the "key" for me to really understand the market so I'm here to learn :-) A big thanks to you for your effort to help people! Autaret p.s. sorry for my English

Luigi. You are very experienced trader. What is wrong with your system?
  • #49
  • May 8, 2016 1:32pm May 8, 2016 1:32pm
Quoting autaret
Hi Act, reading Moreno's thread I saw your posts and excellent contributes. I joined FF long time ago but after a short (and painfull) forex intraday experience with small accounts I decided to recapitalize and become a swing trader mostly on stocks and etfs with mixed results. I always was feeling to miss something ... Now this SAD tecnique seems the "key" for me to really understand the market so I'm here to learn :-) A big thanks to you for your effort to help people! Autaret p.s. sorry for my English
Welcome autaret. Alfonso's thread is great. He is a real inspiration.

I am glad you are finding your way.

A note of caution. There is no "KEY" in trading per se. You must understand that it has 3 parts - Mind, Money, Method, with decreasing importance.

Learn Supply and Demand since that is what you have decided on. Focus on one thing at a time. Do not expect to get it all in a few days, or even weeks.
Be patient with yourself and most of all, be determined to "get it".

we will help the best we can

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #50
  • May 8, 2016 2:03pm May 8, 2016 2:03pm
Quoting Akt
For you livingdaylight. I hope it helps best wishes {image}
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  • #51
  • May 8, 2016 2:15pm May 8, 2016 2:15pm
Quoting conom589
{quote} . {image}
Hello conom,

yes, it is a great reaction to the non-fresh zone.

Why? because there were still more orders left at the DZ. The first test proved that to us because of the fact that it barely touched the zone before it moved higher, suggesting a significant competition to buy at that level i.e a large pile of orders.
So on the second retest you can see that price was able to go in deeper, using up more buy orders which by definition can only be below the first touch.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #52
  • May 8, 2016 2:16pm May 8, 2016 2:16pm
Quoting conom589
{quote} Luigi. You are very experienced trader. What is wrong with your system?
You have always something to learn :-)
  • #53
  • May 8, 2016 2:21pm May 8, 2016 2:21pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello conom, yes, it is a great reaction to the non-fresh zone. Why? because there were still more orders left at the DZ. The first test proved that to us because of the fact that it barely touched the zone before it moved higher, suggesting a significant competition to buy at that level i.e a large pile of orders. So on the second retest you can see that price was able to go in deeper, using up more buy orders which by definition can only be below the first touch. best wishes

What do you think about " 50% penetration " rule?
  • #54
  • May 8, 2016 2:44pm May 8, 2016 2:44pm
Quoting conom589
{quote} What do you think about " 50% penetration " rule?
Hello Conom

It definitely has its place.
The issue many S.A.D traders have with it is that they use it on the wrong time frame chart.

It is a rule not to use it on the biggest time frame in your chart sequence
It is irrelevant on your middle time frame chart anyways, most of the time.
it can be very important on your entry time frame zones

hope that helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #55
  • May 8, 2016 2:48pm May 8, 2016 2:48pm
Quoting autaret
{quote} You have always something to learn :-)
Hello autaret

I think you will find that with S.A.D trading you will have to un-learn a lot of what you have learnt trading other systems.

We all have to, if one is to get this methodology.

Although as far as we are concerned, being S.A.D traders, the only forces that move prices is the resolution of the supply/demand equation, you will find on your journey that old habits can die really hard. You will still look to the knowledge you have accumulated trading other methods, especially when those systems are giving contrary information to what S.A.D is giving you.

Just be patient with yourself and do one thing at a time. It is a journey

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #56
  • May 8, 2016 2:56pm May 8, 2016 2:56pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Conom It definitely has its place. The issue many S.A.D traders have with it is that they use it on the wrong time frame chart. It is a rule not to use it on the biggest time frame in your chart sequence It is irrelevant on your middle time frame chart anyways, most of the time. it can be very important on your entry time frame zones hope that helps best wishes
Thanks Akt. It is interesting. I didn't know that
  • #57
  • May 8, 2016 3:39pm May 8, 2016 3:39pm
Hello everyone.

I thought I would do a summary of the methodology that is Supply And Demand (S.A.D) for those of us that are new and wonder what it is based on.

best wishes
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  • #58
  • May 8, 2016 6:23pm May 8, 2016 6:23pm
Quoting Akt
For you livingdaylight. I hope it helps best wishes {image}
Thank you, Akt
  • #59
  • May 8, 2016 6:37pm May 8, 2016 6:37pm
Do you know if Sam Seiden has any new videos out?
  • #60
  • May 8, 2016 10:31pm May 8, 2016 10:31pm
Quoting Dane
Do you know if Sam Seiden has any new videos out?
Hi Dane,

He did but videos aren't available yet. Have you been registered with tradestation Morning Market Briefing? It's for free every friday Sam Seiden is there. Or FXstreet webinars look for Sam Seiden.
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