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  • #41
  • Mar 22, 2016 6:06pm Mar 22, 2016 6:06pm
Manipulation or not, that is the question

some big traders claim they can move the market a little over a short period of time.
but if you study a sound wave, or any wave, you will see the same phenomena!
I am pretty sure a sound wave is not manipulated,
Bulls are stupid Animals!especially when Im short!
  • #42
  • Mar 22, 2016 8:08pm Mar 22, 2016 8:08pm
manipulated or not
is like
chaos or not

its some times manipulated
and
its some times chaos

but its not all the time manipulated or chaos !
  • #43
  • Mar 22, 2016 11:32pm Mar 22, 2016 11:32pm
i think, its manipulate or not, for me, i will accept it, its a part of the game.
i find a way and take advantage from it when i see there a manipulation.

anyway, lets make money whatever its been manipulate or not.
  • #44
  • Mar 24, 2016 3:09am Mar 24, 2016 3:09am
Quoting avibe
manipulated? I guess the banks are bat shit hungry for any penny that they are willing to move an entire market so that they can stop hunt my 0.01 lots.
Lol, those trades don't even go out to market. We're talking 1+ lots. Pretty much anything 0.10-0.99 goes to third party sources, and anything under 0.10 is taken on by the broker directly.
  • #45
  • Mar 24, 2016 10:44am Mar 24, 2016 10:44am
Imagine for a moment a fully unregulated market. Maybe not complete regulation of each or a large orders number in question.
But just about the regulation in a global meaning. We all know the basics of tech analysis, levels or at least approximate levels. Or do we know what we allowed to know?
Now imagine 1 million orders at some opening / closing levels. What will happen to the market is not difficult to guess. What will happen to the currency?
Either the bad fundamental news but currency is almost at a stagnation. This is possible without control? The answer is obvious
  • #46
  • Mar 24, 2016 11:33am Mar 24, 2016 11:33am
Quoting Kite
... We all know the basics of tech analysis, levels or at least approximate levels. Or do we know what we allowed to know? ...
  • #47
  • Mar 25, 2016 1:07am Mar 25, 2016 1:07am
Price manipulation is so easy due to the fact that spot retail forex is so tiny and so unregulated.
  • #48
  • Mar 25, 2016 8:12am Mar 25, 2016 8:12am
Quoting Mingary
Price manipulation is so easy due to the fact that spot retail forex is so tiny and so unregulated.
I beg that forex stays exactly as UNregulated and TINY as it is. You can switch to a more regulated environment right away. Your employer does and will take care to regulate your life so that you remain happy and have dinner on your table.
  • #49
  • Mar 25, 2016 8:52am Mar 25, 2016 8:52am
As I understand we haven't found the answer to the age-old topic. There is no answer.
There is other question. To trade or not to trade if be manipulated nevertheless
  • #50
  • Mar 25, 2016 9:15am Mar 25, 2016 9:15am
Wrong question, it's not if a huge market can be manipulated but how much. Markets like EU are too liquid to manipulate them in big style. If you want to move the market a lot you need to put a lot of money in it and that's expensive. Manipulate the market by some ticks or tiny pips ok. But who are they playing against? Not the retail traders, they have no power in the market. Move the market with billions to take out some retail traders? I think not. It's a war between big computers against big computers doing high frequency trading etc.

Is retail trading manipulated? Of course it is, by the bucket shops. Just widen spread add some slippage and you take out some retailers and book the money, but that's not manipulating the market it's cheating customers as in any other business. Believing the market is actively working against you that's egocentrism.

Quoting midouch
Can't complain enough about the times I've seen a bearish hourly candle turns to a weak / or even a bull in the last few seconds before candle close, and vice versa. Does this mean that markets are manipulated?
How often do you see a bearish hourly candle turns to be bearish hourly candle in the end? All day, otherwise price wouldn't move. And there are endless reasons why they can turn into a weak candle. Take a look a lower tf like M5, often you will see trading ranges, so they were moving the hole hour in both directions; if price isn't able to break a level profit taking starts etc.
  • #51
  • Edited 4:30pm Mar 25, 2016 4:10pm | Edited 4:30pm
Quoting feline207
{quote} I beg that forex stays exactly as UNregulated and TINY as it is. You can switch to a more regulated environment right away. Your employer does and will take care to regulate your life so that you remain happy and have dinner on your table.
Did the Kool-aid taste good ? I never tried it (:
  • #52
  • Mar 26, 2016 2:43am Mar 26, 2016 2:43am
Schwager: What is the most prominent fallacy in the public's perception about markets?

Tudor Jones: That markets can be manipulated. That there is some group on Wall Street that controls price action in the markets. I can go into any market and create a stir for a day or two, maybe even a week. If I go into a market at just the right moment, by giving it a little gas on the upside, I can create the illusion of a bull market. But, unless the market is really sound, the second I stop buying, the price is going to come right down.
  • #53
  • Mar 26, 2016 8:26am Mar 26, 2016 8:26am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Did the Kool-aid taste good ? I never tried it (:
it would be interesting mingary, have you seen an extraterrestrial? (I have not).. Do you believe that an extraterrestrial life exists, why should it exist/not-exist? and if it exists and we havent seen any 100% proof, just some fake reports or whatever, then why is that?? what benefit do we have from living with our current limitations and understanding and believe only what we have seen and know for a fact? perhaps you could be the first profitable trader in a tiny unregulated market
  • #54
  • Mar 26, 2016 8:28am Mar 26, 2016 8:28am
Profitable traders are aliens, logic says they should exist, but we have never seen them. So we keep on saying that we have no real proof and therefore they probably aren't any. Because we are afraid of the opposite
So Mingary, stop being afraid that someones making money. The truth is out there.
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  • #55
  • Mar 26, 2016 8:48am Mar 26, 2016 8:48am
Every market, where money is involved, is and will be manipulated.
Deal with it!
  • #56
  • Mar 26, 2016 11:04am Mar 26, 2016 11:04am
Quoting feline207
Profitable traders are aliens, logic says they should exist, but we have never seen them. So we keep on saying that we have no real proof and therefore they probably aren't any. Because we are afraid of the opposite So Mingary, stop being afraid that someones making money. The truth is out there. {image}
No, logic does not say that. Logic says that there most likely are not any aliens that are more advanced than us. And if there was indeed aliens that are superior in technology, then they would still have no way of finding us let alone coming to us.
Price-Action Extremist
  • #57
  • Mar 26, 2016 3:15pm Mar 26, 2016 3:15pm
Stay under the radar or else the sharks will bite. Greed will also kill you in some form or another. Don't think just because you hit a great winning streak you are invincible. Tomorrow there could be an explosion of volatility and next thing you know you are on the wrong side and too scared to get out.
All posts are my personal opinion
  • #58
  • Mar 26, 2016 6:19pm Mar 26, 2016 6:19pm
Whether there is manipulation or not, those who believe there is ... are manipulated.
By their own minds - mostly.
  • #59
  • Mar 27, 2016 7:49am Mar 27, 2016 7:49am
You have to think... by head... believe or not - it is unnecessary
  • #60
  • Mar 27, 2016 9:26am Mar 27, 2016 9:26am
Quoting midouch
Hello, This is not coincidence. Can't complain enough about the times I've seen a bearish hourly candle turns to a weak / or even a bull in the last few seconds before candle close, and vice versa. Does this mean that markets are manipulated? Does it make sense that people take profit only few seconds before the hourly close? Because it does not convince me, and the amount of times I've seen this (especially on GBPUSD) is outrageous. I mean it, I am sure it is not just coincidence, it seems like a pattern that repeats itself over and over. Is it...
Is the forex manipulated? Yes. So the questions you should be asking is how to trade alongside the manipulators. It's best to know who you are trading with, and who you are trading against. You might want to focus on who manipulates, and the why, how, when, where surrounding the manipulation. As for you, all the retail traders on earth, and all the retail brokers on earth: you and they play no meaningful role in this story. Understanding who the players are is critical to understanding market structure.
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