OrderFlowTrading.com - The truth behind Darkstars latest offer

So you think he is William Carmen?
Funnily enough I looked for that name and an estate agent business popped up in a similar area.
Otherwise there is very little profile out there for what would appear to be multi company man!

Who know's really. All we can say is that the guy is full of shit. @brian.jer is spot on in my opinion...just another marketing prick who saw an opportunity.

Watching this from the sidelines with interest.

12 seats.....6 down......6 to go.

The first 6...... not so impressive.

After all.......every human being has 2 parents and 4 grandparents. Those last 6 will tell the tale of the tape!

​My contribution to your "discussion": http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=584100

I could not reply on the above thread. I am always happy to be on someone's ignore list.

Just a quick comment:

Most fail for one simple reason; they subconsciously know they dont deserve success.

This is the ultimate cop out. Widely used as a sales tool by the "self help gurus" and forex gurus! "My system does not work for you, no you can't have your money back because obviously you don't want to succeed! "

"I'll never be a ballet dancer - says the girl in the wheelchair; I guess I must not want it bad enough"

It has nothing to do with the subconscious. To convince the paraplegic wannabe dancer that her inability to dance is "all in her subconscious" is downright shameful.

KNOWING is the true power that can change one's life.
and the effort needed is this one ==> Simplicity is proportional to the degree of confrontation.
Be real. it works.

This "rummaging through your public records" is the key though isn't it?
For whatever reason you decided to post your little demo picture to Facebook, which Red posted above, you did...and it came complete with your little whinge about having $0 working capital.

When I asked a simple question you started throwing your toys out of the pram and ignored anyone who was mean to you.

And sure enough after I posted the link on your thread, you ignored me, deleted the Facebook picture and started your new sales campaign....After admitting to having no working capital!


Your little contribution here actually shows you're still hiding, because you have posted it on your own thread knowing full well there can be no rebuttal there as you've blocked anyone who disagrees with you. And you accuse us of drawing baseless conclusions when you yourself seem to be under the impression that we are failed traders because we are calling you out??
Laughable really is't it?


Um no, not at all. Simply demonstrate that you have had ANY success and I would have left you alone long ago. Red never hid his previous purchase from you, but you are omitting his $2800 purchase from your deposition of him! Wonder why? Because it looks better to your minions if they think Red is only upset you cut him off from a $150 product? A half story told to paint you in a better light!

And your excuse about reverse engineering is just comical. The most longstanding traders in this business, who have millions under management post their trades live on the explorers, nothing hidden. Your excuse is pathetic. Oh, and they don't need to run $5k courses, because they make more trading. Even some mentors have live twitter feeds where they give live calls...they don't seem to think this damages their mentor business model. So your refusal to show anything tangible is just all the more suspicious.
But, seeing as I am flexible; we can take an alternate route to your top secret "million dollar skillset." You have 4 companies listed. This companies are pretty much supported by paying customers, members of your chatroom etc. So, in a way they have vested interests, almost like shareholders. Why not act like a listed company and post some of your tax returns from these ventures? I mean, there would be no way to reverse engineer your super system, all we'd see is the 6+ digit sums
of profit from your own trading listed alongside other revenues right?


Again ridiculous because in the real world there are, cooling off periods, consumer refund rights and protections which punish people who sell ineffective products, or products which don't deliver as promised.
You exist under a disclaimer in an unregulated industry.


Over all this is the most ridiculous assertion that you said in your post.
You are saying that skepticism is what makes Forex factory a bad place? Only a salesman would have the audacity to write that with a straight face.

What this site, and every other site needs is more people calling out salespeople on their baseless claims and poor products.
This industry is awash with people selling crap, which often they know doesn't work. The old "get in quick, sell, get out" is the standard approach. Repeated using additional usernames.

This site doesn't do enough to stop people from taking money from would be traders. There is no burden of proof on any commercial members here. Consumers have zero protections.

People like you are what's wrong with this site!
People who spend more time selling their wares with zero evidence of efficacy, and then crying because ex customers and skeptical minds call you out.

Instead of showing hard numbers this Darknoob once again comes with a nonsense article.

Typical scum tactics.

I am on neither side, but:
http://abc7chicago.com/society/woman...alysis/387296/
or

or...
the list is really long.
in a way, probably some of us just doesn't set our max focus on a target.

everyone can run, but not everyone qualify the olimpic games.
some even lazy to make 2 steps, some do a bit half heartedly, some start out a sprint and falters halfway, deciding it doesn't worth the effort ultimately, some does great in general but never even think to go to competitions... even running a marathon makes you greater and most runners would envy you or never dream of completing one, you still mediocre for most in the grand scale from lazy till champ.

I am not pro or con darkstar here.
but sometimes take a step back and think about the bigger picture where traders could or would or should measure on a scale.

in the meantime find motivation in some of the above stories.

At least, there are evidences that the pianist can play the piano and the painter can paint.

There are still no evidence that DarkStar can trade.

everyone can. to an extent.
I am sure he can make a buy or sell.
I am sure I can make a buy or sell.
I am also sure you can make a buy or sell.

but I am also sure you have missed the point

the point is, you do or don't like how the pianist plays, she still calls herself a PIANIST! and on what base do you disagree?
maybe cos she doesn't have an advanced degree in music, or a record deal with Sony, or at least the 3rd most likes on facebook history...
IS SHE A PIANIST?

same goes to artist girl...
I personally think that might be just as a subjective what a good painter is, on what scale to judge who is a painter.
Van Gogh must be a great one, right, because it sells expensive? What if for me Rembrandt is something I wouldn't want to hand in my room, even if I would have money to buy. Does it make Rembrandt not a painter? or lessen? or more? does it really matter what I think?
and how well the girl measure to this? with what creditentials?
if Rembrandt or Van Gogh a painter...
IS SHE A PAINTER?

you decide.

there is an interesting paradox.
one doesn't need to be a champion to coach someone to realize his full potential to be one. I don't say it hurt to have a champ coach. but is that a must have? NO!
the potential is in the individual, and finding the way to bring out is in the individual too.
if you don't get it first, think a bit deeper on it.

as to be a bit more darkstar specific, if he promise you a book for 150$ and send you a book...promise fulfilled.
just with any other books, one likes it or not, use it some way or not.
how many of the Rich Dad reader's ( Kiyosaki) readers became real estate moguls? Is he a scam? how to judge.
should I get the book send back for my money, cos I feel that I don't have the same rules apply to me, or it won't work.

I am not sure about the course.
just as I am not sure what I think about a course or fast reading, photo-like memory, 100 hours Japanese language course, or special ice driving from a rally pilot...
even if someone will read words out like mashinegun, will I be able to match that, orable to teach me better than any schoolteacher did, who teach me to read?
if he cant teach but can do, not a scam, right? if ha cant do but cant teach, a scam, right?

so, scroll back to the above coach example. think again, long and hard. cos that is a real paradox then and there.

+1.
I was also one of your members...

I would just note a few things (I don't want to spend hours writing posts)

1) You are the one one who claims that he is a "god damn good trader". (I'm not claiming to be a superstar trader and I'm aware that I have a lot to learn.) So if you claim yourself to be a superstar trader, why not give us some proof, more than an excel snippet?

2) Honestly I don't care about the 100 bucks anymore. The old chatroom was good, anybody could share their own ideas, we could meet new people. And that's why it was so unique you know? So many different people - it was such a good place to find out how different people think about the market, what kind of "market models" they use. In the room I got to know people thousands time better than anyone here at FF and thus I could learn from them 1000 times more... And you were a good person, as you made this become true. But then I guess something changed... You started to get greedy (?) you started to push the people out who didn't promote / worshiped you... I can clearly remember one of your blog potsts in which you said something like "I don't know how longer I can wake up every day with the thought that I'm a fraud". And I thought you hopefully get back to your normal "yourself". But I was wrong - it seems this "seller" is your "normal" yourself.

3) I agree - FF (and the world) is full of suckers that are just waiting to be given the belief that for a nice price they can finally learn to trade.

And last but not least I have to disagree when you say that most ppl fail because they don't deserve success... (Probably that's your belief and that's why you fail?) I think most people fail because they believe in fairy tails. That they can run a 100usd account to 1 mil. That they believe that they can learn to trade within 3 or 6 months. And just as described in point (3) you are one of those who feed on these beliefs.

Once again - im not angry at you, im not here to blow off the steam/anger because I had a losing day. Im rather just sad and disappointed to see what you and your gang-bang has became.

Since you have me on your ignore list I will have to post my reply here. You had the opportunity to write your response directly in this thread, but instead you chose to create a new thread with just your post. This is most probably because in your created thread, you have the ability to control what is posted there, whereas in this thread you have zero control.

Let me address the lines that wrote about me where you have made quite a few assumptions that I do not agree with.

"Redbaron1981s chief complaint is that I dont have a trade explorer or myfxbook profile for him and everyone else to explore."

Not true. My chief complaint is that I paid $2800 for a system that was UNPROVEN. A system that was based on your own personal BELIEFS as to how the markets work. The same system that cost me not only the course fees, but also news feed subscriptions(using your promo code), along with REAL money I lost whilst trading entries, that were well within the context of your system. Please do not forget that in an email titled by yourself "Track Record" you not only called me a dick, but also told me I had a point regarding track record, before re-granting me forum access again.

With regard to a trade explorer/myfxbook accounts, I for one would not trust either of these sources. Now if you were to get me a 1-2 year statement that had been audited by a reputable source, provided that it had a large enough sample size, then I may accept that as sufficient proof that you are a real life successful trader, and not a charlatan as I suspect. If you want to promote your business, as I am sure is your intention is, then having this done would be a mere business expense and would indeed help your reputation and sales.

"Putting aside the fact that the forexfactory trade explorer and myfxbook are for forex accounts and that I dont trade forex, I would point out that anyone with a legitimate education product would be an idiot to share his trade log with the masses.

Why? Because it takes very little effort to reverse engineer the strategy from the trades taken."

Not true. You see in your own petty order flow world this would most probably ring home as true. The truth is that your discretional system would never suffer from edge decay and even if it did when factoring your version of discretional sentiment analysis, reverse engineering would be verging on impossible.

Something else, worth noting with regard to your BELIEFS on sentiment analysis. I don't want to go into great detail on this, since its my own hard work that found it, but the way your looking at sentiment is one of the greatest methods I have found at detecting which side the herd is on. This is also why I know that you are a non trader.

"See what redbaron1981 hasnt told you is that for 4 years he was a regular participant in my chat room. As were many others from this site.
Until last year anyway, when I finally killed their free access."

Not true. I deleted my own profile from your site, because I was tired of trying to explain to others in your chat why your methods were flawed.

"Redbaron1981 paid $149.95 + shipping for a book, and used its principles daily for 4 solid years. Then, like magic, as soon as his access was revoked, he starts spewing hate."

Not true. I paid $2800 for the "Ultimate Trader Program" + $149.95 for your book. You are partially true, in that I used its principles for around 4 (losing) years, yet the truth is that once I objectively analysed the content of your book and saw with my own eyes, how fundamentally floored your assumptions are, my own profitably occurred nearly immediately after this. So you seem to say that my reason for spewing hate is that you revoked my access however, as I stated above I deleted my own profile.

"Does he still use the principles? I have no idea. Hes smart enough not to have a trade explorer either."

No. Since I am in this business for making money, I most certainly am not using your principles. Well observed I do not have a trade explorer, since i trade multiple products I am not certain that a trade explorer would work. If I was looking at training someone,t or to manage other peoples funds I could show audited accounts via the methods I have described to you above.

"What started out as a desire on his part to continue following my trades and frustration that I wouldnt let him continue to do so free, has morphed into a witch hunt that any disgruntled failed trader can latch on to in order to avoid the simple reality that nobody is to blame for their failures but themselves."

Not true. As I have outlined above, I removed my profile before you withdrew access. Had I followed your trades, who knows how much money I would have lost. There is only one failed trader in all this and thats you.

"Whether you like it or not, I AM a trader. And a damn good one at that."

​Not true. This statement will continue to be not true until the point where you prove otherwise via the methods described above.

From this last statement to the end of your post is just utter rubbish. When I can't think of anything to write I just don't write. Perhaps you should also follow the same advice.

Since you seem to always respond in tu quoque fallacies, I will attempt to simplify our disagreement.

1. Firstly I am stating that you are a non trader, meaning that you do not trade with real money and if you do it is for no serious amount i.e account size < 5 figures.
2. Secondly the concepts that you wrote about in your book along with the "Ultimate Trader Program" are fundamentally flawed concepts and are merely your own beliefs/fantasies as to how a market should work.

Now in the first statement you can prove me wrong by providing me with supported evidence that validates your claims i.e Verified accurate statements(excel does not count). You could also not only prove me wrong, but also boost your sales by calling out some cool trades, in realtime so that myself and others can see you in action.

For the second part and since you seem to still have this attitude of condescending superiority with both myself and others, I am very tempted to post here exactly why everyone of your beliefs, written about the market are fundamentally flawed. This should also stop members of the public paying for any information you have to sell to them, something I am very keen on doing...

This response to a friendly party:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...79#post8831979

Same old crap.
Read the 1st post Red put here regarding the sales tactic and it explains his points away.

It's actually insulting to anyone with any type of intelligence that he posts this and believes it to be an acceptable answer.
It still addresses none of the issues raised.

By tomorrow we'll see an update: 5 spaces left in the final scam program.

I really have to laugh.

If someone claims to have a superior method or even edge: RUN !
Why?
Because only insiders and cheaters have the real information and besides them nobody knows s***.

You can be a professor knowing everything about the market but still die poor!

Being a professor or trader are 2 different things.

I dont get it if he's been doing this for over 4 years and has been selling this for that amount of money how could he have no capital to trade with? Surely he would of had enough capital by now and trading live plus making profit ...

​Yeah. The more words we use the more intelligent we look. The more verbose we are, the more likely we are to sell something to someone. You're not even that eloquent, though you'd like to think you are. Well I've got a word that I use. Arsehole.

​I have been honored by Darkstar. I'm on his ignore list. The only way I would be associated with such scum.

Kind of like being ignored by rats, cockroaches, mosquitoes, etc. etc. ​

Good old Demostar is at it again with his marketing tricks.

In his own words, he's not just a good trader, but a damn good trader. Then , despite his years of trading as a damn good trader, openly admits that he needs other people's money to trade with , so that he can raise enough money to start some sort of fund for himself?? If he is such a damn good trader why can't he raise the money himself? Just doesn't ring true to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but just does not ring true.

To all: please stop whining. He asked you money to teach you what he knows. Thats all. And you make such a big deal out of it.
"is he profitable? oh, no may be not... does he have money? oh, no may be not..." SO WHAT? That wont make you profitable. He cannot and nobody can. Face it.

If you want to check if he is legit better check his old posts on FF. Eventually you will find out that you dont need to buy the course, because everything you at
are looking for is there. But ye i forgot, you are busy all day long to look for clues, so you will have very little time to work on your own trading.