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It's like fk*ng Kindergarden...
Nubcake is right on one thing for sure - wasting time here is a mistake...
Good luck to all of you.

One thing? Nubba is right about ALL THINGS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5QJatRI23o

Well thanks. That sorts that one out.

What a joke of a thread, just like what FF is becoming.

Joke of a thread, as well as order flow trading.

Not only this thread.

I just call FF: Comedy Factory

That's why I have my own Trading Floor: http://www.orderflowtrading.com/LearnOrderFlow/TradingFloor.aspx

People act like professionals when they have to pay for something and risk being kicked out for bad behavior.

Which encourages more professional traders to join.

You know what? I don't know if you can trade or not. But if people want to pay you $150 dollars a month or whatever the current price is, for what it is you're offering, good luck to you. I don't want it though.

I wholeheartedly agree with you there! To repeat a spent cliche- this place used to be cool!
So what changed that in your opinion?

My opinion is:
This place went from being a decent place to meet a good trader and share some ideas, to a thinly veiled sales platform where basically any monkey can advertise useless crap with no requirement of verification.

Ignoring DS for now, a year or so back there was a mass culling (revoked memberships) of some of those fucktards who, in the words of the moderators
"were organised into groups using multiple, often duplicated accounts with the sole intention of promoting commercial interests, creating false testimonies and support."

As good as that cull was, nothing really has changed. Some of them have still managed to get back in, sometimes temporarily before being discovered, and repeating the same shit. Even without the old crew, new guys pop up all the time.

The problem is, their business model is sound- Build up a rep using cronies and fake testimonies, provide either zero or cherry picked evidence of any trades, and start charging people. With all the IB deals, subs and one off payments they can skim a decent amount of money before anyone starts to question why they're losing money with their new guru.

Once this one exhausts, they come back and start again..new and improved! Rinse and repeat!

The term cognitive dissonance Red referenced earlier is the most important term any would be trader could be aware of.
The simple truth is, the fake guru business model is built on the fact that once someone pays for something, they don't want to believe they made a bad call. They'll always attribute divergence between their results and what the guru promised to some fault on their part. Even if they become brave enough to question the guru, the mob mentality of other subscribers will enforce the pretense that the concerned customer just needs to keep at it, refocus blah blah blah. It's a repeated formula.
That's why there is usually an absence of other "cranky bitches."

The simple fact is, more money is made on these forums by people selling services, than actually trading. Do you honestly think this is fine?

Some posts ago you mentioned the futility of my efforts.
Well, you have to see how futile your argument is too don't you?

You've made some decent points: no matter how good something is, some people just won't be satisfied, some people just won't get it, people always have a choice.
I agree with you there for sure, and I am starting to realize that even with proof that someone is a con artist, that person will still get clients. Some people just can't be helped.

However, your defense of DS, and his responses just completely disregard one simple and unavoidable fact of business in any other sphere than Forex:
If someone is selling something, then requesting verification of that person's credentials is a basic and essential requirement!

I had a patio built recently. When the guy came over to quote, he had a portfolio of his recent builds, and provided addresses in the area I could visit to check his work, with happy customers ready to back his work.
I can't see how anyone can justify that someone who claims to provide you with a viable trading strategy should get one single sale without providing his personal, and verified history.
And upon request...the simple answer should be: yep, here you go! Not a bunch of hypothetical crap turning the question back on the enquirer.

That is what i think has ruined this forum. The gurus here are treated like preachers, beyond logical approach and question...their divine powers are just supposed to be believed, and the disciples come out to smite anyone who dares doubt them!
I have repeatedly petitioned the mods for one simple rule:
Someone who wants to be commercial should provide a minimum 6 months verified trading history, otherwise they get banned! Simple.
Of course, not happening. Click traffic is more important than quality of information or verification. Disclaimers rule!

But...as TheGreatMilenko wrote above....you know what....if anyone reads this thread, sees the cringe worthy evasive responses from DS regarding verified live trading history...and still wants to pay him...then good luck to you! It's pretty much all been said. You have been warned!

A fool and his money and all that crap.

This!

Bro, if you're that upset about it, how about instead of running around complaining about the way the world works, just start delivering a 100% free education.

You might not be aware of this, but there is a button at the top of the commercial section that allows you to create a new thread. You can manage it, teach people all your trading knowledge, provide resources and advice when necessary (all out of pocket of course), and change the world with free education.

Feel free to post a link in here when you get it setup.

Everything I did for FF and the community, in my teachings was all FREE!! and is 1000x more efficient than this order flow bull s.

Before I started forex, I was a mere taxi driver, learning in my spare time and inbetween fares from a laptop in my taxi.

I studied Sam Seiden religously, put my own swing on it, became profitable, and then taught my ways all for FREE I never asked for a single cent, while running up a $200 account in my trading room.

I got spotted by a Canadian records company to trade their funds, hence stopping the public live stuff I was doing as it was now against my contract. BUT!!!! my point here was, look where I am now, never asked for a damn dime, now I am full time on my own account again after 2 years of funds trading.

What really gets me, is these sub par methods, and then people charging for this shite. Orderflow is pathetic in Forex, as it's not a centralised network, using supply and demand can you truly see the real orders, after learning to read supply/demand on a chart.

I am thinking of starting up my live trading again all for FREE!!! this time round will have to blank my balance out as it's not$200 no more, it's substantially larger to a large degree. But if I ever did this, it would all be for free, would never ask for a dime.

Real professionals stay away from such noob rooms.
With good reason.

You wanna play the game with me?

SGDH

Take my stop.

I won't charge you a thing.

I hold cash and or derivative positions in this asset at the time of this posting:

A good chuckle that's for sure.

Darkstar

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Quoting markmm (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=3617802#post3617802)
You do no favours to yourself putting down quants or technical traders, most of the really successful traders I have read about with verifiable results are quants or system traders, not one trades order flow as you describe it, I think that says everything about "trying to see future orders", no one can see them, you may as well put a pin on the chart.


Jesus your an arguementative little prick. Did I say that quants and system traders are are all losers? Did I say that anyone shouldn't be one if their little heart is set on doing so? No, what I said is that "orderflow traders" don't care about the same things they do. As an orderflow trader I can authoritatively say what I don't care about.

What I find really curious is why you have such an axe to grind over this subject. If it's all voodoo bullshit for you then why are you so anxious to read my posts? It's obvious that you want to trade a different way so how about adding me and anyone else you consider a snake oil salesman to your ignore list?

Don't bother responding, your just earned yourself a place on "my" ignore list. See how easy that was?



Now that's professional, he even spelt "you're" wrong...

Well done!

Have you found anywhere willing to take your DEMO (https://www.thinkorswim.com/t/pm-registration.html) dollars yet?

EH? A table with some numbers in. That proves something does it? Oh and by the way.....and .......etc... ​ ​

And again... again again again... if you don't want what's on offer don't buy.

Do - not - buy. You aren't a customer, and probably wouldn't know what to do with yourselves if you were. You'd waste your money trying to pick it all apart instead of learning a thing or two. You are the wrong people for the wrong product and couldn't appreciate gold if it was shit on your face from a magical unicorn.

I know what I got, and didn't get. It was worth the money back then. I have no clue about now, nor care. But if y'all want to come and suggest that DS offers no value then you'd better have something more than hypotheticals and "but it's not how I'D do it / want it". You have one person who was a customer, and everyone else is just riding tail-coats with no knowledge of much of anything - sad.

While all of you sit here arguing about what if's and but why's, there are places where there is no such bullshit... and you'll never know it. Do you think we had this same nonsense in the chat room? FUCK NO.

Sit here going back and forth, back and forth. Good luck to you all while you spin in circles, and mr taxi man trading whatever the fuck he's on about. Enjoy the fight.

Here's a little insight you almost certainly don't fucking get: You don't get just DS. You get the rest of the syndicate as well. Don't expect to find like-minded fools such as yourselves though. When you step off the playground and into the office there's a marked increase in skill and knowledge.

Continue to argue your points. It's all irrelevant. Bring on the tears.

Imagine how much it must be worth to some people to NOT BE HERE. Consider the value you aren't bringing. If that means nothing to you then so be it.