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  • #3,161
  • Feb 28, 2016 4:03am Feb 28, 2016 4:03am
Quoting Sicarius
{quote} edit: this example was from post 2951. Also, The entry candle on the 1hour is in the middle of a 2h bar. The open was at 12:00pm and 2hour candles open at 11:00 and 1:00. In this example, he went long way before any of the indicators changed. 4 candles ranging and then he took the 1hour with just an open above smooth. I thought the whole point was that we had to WAIT for the DB to join the SAR up for the Long. The SAR attached itself to the top with EMA and Parabolics trending down, which I believed to be a SHORT ENTRY. However if you waited...
In that example you have three signals for going long: 1) White and Smooth had already crossed purple for the long eliminating the parabolic as resistance 2) The SAR attached to the top of the candle that means the trend of the swing is going up 3) An open candle above EMA. That is the reason for going long.
  • #3,162
  • Feb 28, 2016 4:11am Feb 28, 2016 4:11am
Quoting Contrax
{quote} Yes, i never said that the actual SAR is set a stone.. im talking that when IF SAR creates a new top atach, the last bottom atach now is set at stone. But we dont know right now what movement is going to be.
Yes you are definitely right. I am sorry I have misunderstood your words...
  • #3,163
  • Feb 28, 2016 4:29am Feb 28, 2016 4:29am
Good day I am new to the forum and trying to read all the post I did load Dove's platform but I don't know if it is correct can someone please post a chart or let me know if mine is correct. Thank You I think I can learn lots here and have an great year Kind regards
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  • #3,164
  • Feb 28, 2016 5:24am Feb 28, 2016 5:24am
Quoting Masik
{quote} In that example you have three signals for going long: 1) White and Smooth had already crossed purple for the long eliminating the parabolic as resistance 2) The SAR attached to the top of the candle that means the trend of the swing is going up 3) An open candle above EMA. That is the reason for going long.
But all 3 of your points occurred after the entry. The white and smooth crossing was the open of the 3:00est 1hour candle. The SAR attaching to the top was during the 5:00 2hour candle. Open above ema on 1hour was 2:00 open. How can these be justifications to enter when dove entered at the 12:00pm 1hour candle?

See how do you know the trade will swing up? You only know when we have all of our confirmations, but this was taken long at the purple/white crossing. Again there is supposed to be more to this then purple/white crosses. SAR attached to the top with DB attached to the bottom is a short trade with parabolics and EMA downtrending. IS THIS NOT CORRECT? White and smooth crossed when we got our DB attached to the top, but that was ages after dove said he would have entered.

"Looking at this 1 hour I made entry with the open above Smooth which also had White at Purple."
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  • #3,165
  • Feb 28, 2016 5:52am Feb 28, 2016 5:52am
Quoting Sicarius
{quote} But all 3 of your points occurred after the entry. The white and smooth crossing was the open of the 3:00est 1hour candle. The SAR attaching to the top was during the 5:00 2hour candle. Open above ema on 1hour was 2:00 open. How can these be justifications to enter when dove entered at the 12:00pm 1hour candle? See how do you know the trade will swing up? You only know when we have all of our confirmations, but this was taken long at the purple/white crossing. Again there is supposed to be more to this then purple/white crosses. SAR attached...
Ok now I see your point. However, due to the white purple crossing the 1H was in consolidation and so going long is allowed. He entered at the candle opening above smooth which is the second candle after the lower low. At this time on the 2H the Fibo had already flipped due to the lower low and the DB and SAR attached at 122.443 that is the bottom of the candle. When you are in consolidation and the DB attach to the bottom of a candle with a price showing often you have an entry because you are at the reversal of the swing. Hope that helps.
  • #3,166
  • Feb 28, 2016 6:03am Feb 28, 2016 6:03am
Quoting Fatdog
Good day I am new to the forum and trying to read all the post I did load Dove's platform but I don't know if it is correct can someone please post a chart or let me know if mine is correct. Thank You I think I can learn lots here and have an great year Kind regards {image} {image}
That might be correct for USD/JPY but we're only using E/J on this forum. U/J was in the first part of training but now is E/J only
~ Tim
  • #3,167
  • Feb 28, 2016 6:15am Feb 28, 2016 6:15am
Quoting Masik
{quote} Ok now I see your point. However, due to the white purple crossing the 1H was in consolidation and so going long is allowed. He entered at the candle opening above smooth which is the second candle after the lower low. At this time on the 2H the Fibo had already flipped due to the lower low and the DB and SAR attached at 122.443 that is the bottom of the candle. When you are in consolidation and the DB attach to the bottom of a candle with a price showing often you have an entry because you are at the reversal of the swing. Hope that helps....
Take a look at Dove's post 2975: he explains the reason for the entry long.
  • #3,168
  • Feb 28, 2016 6:21am Feb 28, 2016 6:21am
Quoting Masik
{quote} Ok now I see your point. However, due to the white purple crossing the 1H was in consolidation and so going long is allowed. He entered at the candle opening above smooth which is the second candle after the lower low. At this time on the 2H the Fibo had already flipped due to the lower low and the DB and SAR attached at 122.443 that is the bottom of the candle. When you are in consolidation and the DB attach to the bottom of a candle with a price showing often you have an entry because you are at the reversal of the swing. Hope that helps....
The way I understand it is that the H2 was "hanging out at 0 fib and going nowhere for 7 hours" AND he made the entry after white purple crossing on H1 because of that noting that on the H2 the SAR was attached on TOP, not bottom, indicating that the trend is going up. Soon after, the DB confirmed by attaching to the top of a candle and connecting with SAR and taking off.
~ Tim
  • #3,169
  • Feb 28, 2016 6:25am Feb 28, 2016 6:25am
Quoting Repoman
{quote} The way I understand it is that the H2 was "hanging out at 0 fib and going nowhere for 7 hours" AND he made the entry after white purple crossing on H1 because of that noting that on the H2 the SAR was attached on TOP, not bottom, indicating that the trend is going up. Soon after, the DB confirmed by attaching to the top of a candle and connecting with SAR and taking off.
I was referring to the previous SAR. That was attached at the bottom of the candle with the DB at the lower low with a price tag. However in post 2975 Dove's explains the reason for the entry long.
  • #3,170
  • Feb 28, 2016 6:31am Feb 28, 2016 6:31am
Quoting Masik
{quote} I was referring to the previous SAR. That was attached at the bottom of the candle with the DB at the lower low with a price tag. However in post 2975 Dove's explains the reason for the entry long.
Oh I see. I was referring to and explanation from a later post where he described other motivations as well for that trade. There seemed to be many reasons for it. Thanks for the clarification.
~ Tim
  • #3,171
  • Feb 28, 2016 6:36am Feb 28, 2016 6:36am
Quoting Masik
{quote} I was referring to the previous SAR. That was attached at the bottom of the candle with the DB at the lower low with a price tag. However in post 2975 Dove's explains the reason for the entry long.
As in Dove's post, the reason for the entry has nothing to do with the SAR attached to the top of the candle which comes later. He use that trade like an example for showing us how the SAR and the DB are working together I guess.
  • #3,172
  • Feb 28, 2016 7:40am Feb 28, 2016 7:40am
ty Masik for taking the time. I still feel as though in a downtrend the sar and db will be together at the bottom for the entire trend aside from sar retraces. Is there another way to anticipate these turns aside from reading the price action which I thought didn't matter.
  • #3,173
  • Feb 28, 2016 8:41am Feb 28, 2016 8:41am
Hello,
I'm new to this thread. This was a very very big luck to find the excellent system of Dove and his introduction.
Unfortunately, I came little late, but I work through all posts and I hope to learn successfully from it.
Dove thanks for a unique opportunity that you have given all of us.
Excuse the future annoying questions, and have patience with us. Thanks.
  • #3,174
  • Feb 28, 2016 9:25am Feb 28, 2016 9:25am
Quoting Sicarius
ty Masik for taking the time. I still feel as though in a downtrend the sar and db will be together at the bottom for the entire trend aside from sar retraces. Is there another way to anticipate these turns aside from reading the price action which I thought didn't matter.
This is what I was trying to get at yesterday - on the long downtrend, we had two SAR retraces I showed in a picture yesterday. Both those examples were used as entries back into the trend. However, on Thursday we had one more SAR retrace, but this one was used an indication of the trend changing.

The question I asked was what was the difference between the SAR retraces and the SAR trend change. The answer was:

"In the image you [Dove's long trade on Thursday] posted, Parabolic and EMA were in heavy downtrend, but the Parabolic was eliminated by White crossing Purple [In addition, the SAR was attached above the PSAR]. In the examples I posted, White had not crossed Purple, therefore Parabolic was still resistance when the SAR attached to the top of the bar, indicating a retracement in the continued Parabolic/EMA downtrend."
  • #3,175
  • Feb 28, 2016 10:13am Feb 28, 2016 10:13am
Quoting JMaurice
{quote} This is what I was trying to get at yesterday - on the long downtrend, we had two SAR retraces I showed in a picture yesterday. Both those examples were used as entries back into the trend. However, on Thursday we had one more SAR retrace, but this one was used an indication of the trend changing. The question I asked was what was the difference between the SAR retraces and the SAR trend change. The answer was: "In the image you [Dove's long trade on Thursday] posted, Parabolic and EMA were in heavy downtrend, but the Parabolic was eliminated...
I think this will be useful.
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One of the problems I beginning to recognize is those not recognizing the Parabolic as trend but old school thinking with the candle and/or price.
  • #3,176
  • Feb 28, 2016 10:26am Feb 28, 2016 10:26am
Traders - your focus is wrong. Place your focus on the SAR with the Parabolic trend and you just might see things differently. We will get more into it this week.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,177
  • Feb 28, 2016 12:04pm Feb 28, 2016 12:04pm
Let me explain this entry once again:
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Going back 4 bars from the 122.443 price sticker you will see the retrace candle to EMA. Both EMA and the Parabolic are heavy in the downtrend. And if a trader was smart the entry back into the trend was with the next open candle at Smooth; and/or another trade to make up the retrace if you were already in the trade. As you can see this was a White slider with Purple.

The ending of this trade was at the Fibo and the next candle retraced once again and came back for the Fibo and DID NOT continue below the Fibo for the trend accept a few 10th’s. The next candle retraced once again and OPENS above White WITH the MACD crossing the ‘0’.

This was entry for these reasons:

1 – The White at Purple eliminating the Parabolic as resistance.
2 – EMA may or may not hold resistance and enough profit for B/E if EMA holds resistance.
3 – The ‘0’ crossing of the MACD was the best signal of the 3.

The market got above the Parabolic and placed the SAR on top of that candle getting above the Parabolic. And this meant the trend was in for the up. On the next candle you had the SAR moved over to the up movement and began to retrace for the Parabolic which is now SUPPORT.

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On the next candle the parabolic flipped and on the following candle the DB attached verifying the trend and upstairs it went with both the DB/SAR running together. Also note – which is very important. The Green Arrow had shown its face with the touch on EMA and VERIFING the trend up. At that point I had nothing to worry about.

Now – get your mind wrapped around this because you will run across this scenario many times on beginning of a new swing or trend.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,178
  • Feb 28, 2016 12:07pm Feb 28, 2016 12:07pm
Quoting Repoman
{quote} That might be correct for USD/JPY but we're only using E/J on this forum. U/J was in the first part of training but now is E/J only
Thanks Repoman I will change my chart, I have loaded the chart according to the instructions on Doves word doc , your help is appreciated, would you please post a screenshot of your charts for me to compare the charts kind regards
  • #3,179
  • Feb 28, 2016 12:16pm Feb 28, 2016 12:16pm
Quoting dove_alliance
Let me explain this entry once again: ....
Thank you Dove.

Deleted my question - figured it out. Thanks -
  • #3,180
  • Feb 28, 2016 12:33pm Feb 28, 2016 12:33pm
Quoting JMaurice
{quote} Thank you Dove. Deleted my question - figured it out. Thanks -
Hey Maurice, do u understand this? "1 – The White at Purple eliminating the Parabolic as resistance "

That is when White is touching purple before the crossing?
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