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  • #3,141
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:50am Feb 27, 2016 11:50am
Quoting JMaurice
{quote} Okay, thank you. I will try to go through this again to clarify in my mind: In the image you posted, Parbolic and EMA were in heavy downtrend, but the Parabolic was eliminated by White crossing Purple. In the examples I posted, White had not crossed Purple, therefore Parabolic was still resistance when the SAR attached to the top of the bar, indicating a retracement in the continued Parabolic/EMA downtrend. Thank you -
like I said earlier on my postings - imagine the SAR which represents "Stop And Reverse" with the PSAR being "Parabolic Stop and Reverse" and you have two channels for the reversal. When the SAR is on the same channel as the PSAR you have a reverse. If the SAR is opposite of the PSAR you are then in trend. That is the basic and there is more to it in which we will get into this coming week.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,142
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:51am Feb 27, 2016 11:51am
Quoting snfx
Hi Dove, I am translating Your post form my handbook, so just one question did You ment 2%-3% or 2,3% (original is 2.3%) Thanks.
2.3 is max.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,143
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:57am Feb 27, 2016 11:57am
One of the problems I beginning to recognize is those not recognizing the Parabolic as trend but old school thinking with the candle and/or price.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,144
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:11pm Feb 27, 2016 12:11pm
Quoting rcbarlow
We are very very fortunate people that he did and you did. I, for one, among many others really appreciate what you are doing.
Yes, What an Amazing person is Dana..... We have the luck that we know to who we are following it.
  • #3,145
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:15pm Feb 27, 2016 12:15pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Why am I doing this? Somewhere in the beginning I answered that question. And the reason is because of the Holy Spirit guided me here to the FF and teach. I had never believed it would happen to post on a public forum. But obedience is the way I walk.
Thank you. I believe that this year is going to be the year that i was looking for. I can feel it... Know i understand what happen to me the last year... i must to have all that experiences before i can be ur student. Thank you.
  • #3,146
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:19pm Feb 27, 2016 12:19pm
Hi Dona,

I just want to say Thank You.

Best regards,
  • #3,147
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:25pm Feb 27, 2016 12:25pm
Quoting dove_alliance
One of the problems I beginning to recognize is those not recognizing the Parabolic as trend but old school thinking with the candle and/or price.
Yes Master.. last week i was confuse and my mind was blocked.... It was the reason that i loss in a row... I have screenshots of my trades and my pictures of daily plans... And right now im looking it... and i dont know why i had those plans.... Every Day is a new day for learn. Im going to have local bussines and i need to flight from Monday to Wednesday... but im going to be watching the chart very careful in my mobile. And everytime that i can, im going to see the chart.

When the old school thinkings, start to come... is the reason that people start to lossing money.
  • #3,148
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:45pm Feb 27, 2016 12:45pm
Parabolic is really king in trend, White can cross, Smoth can cross all three can be at same point but until Parabolic flip game is not over. One thing that giving me more confidence in trading trend is when I see how far parabolic is from EMA, just that look give You very important information.
  • #3,149
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:56pm Feb 27, 2016 12:56pm
Quoting snfx
Parabolic is really king in trend, White can cross, Smoth can cross all three can be at same point but until Parabolic flip game is not over. One thing that giving me more confidence in trading trend is when I see how far parabolic is from EMA, just that look give You very important information.
Thank you for this; I was having similar realizations today.
  • #3,150
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:08pm Feb 27, 2016 1:08pm
Quoting snfx
Parabolic is really king in trend, White can cross, Smoth can cross all three can be at same point but until Parabolic flip game is not over. One thing that giving me more confidence in trading trend is when I see how far parabolic is from EMA, just that look give You very important information.
Yes, last week when my mind was blocked... I was ignoring that and just jump to the market... Every soldier (indicator) has his own role.
  • #3,151
  • Feb 27, 2016 2:31pm Feb 27, 2016 2:31pm
Quoting dove_alliance
With this scenario I will demonstrate the SAR and DB working together: On this screen shot take notice of the White crossing Purple to begin with. The first attachment with the SAR was with the Green candle going up and ABOVE Parabolic which placed the Parabolic in elimination as resistance because of the White crossing. The next bar the SAR attached with it and began a retrace to the Parabolic with the Smooth crossing. This was the beginning of new trend going up. And the SAR was the indication of a new trend with the crossing of both White and...
Master, and what happen if the 4horsemen doesnt cross for the uptrend swing but there is the SAR atached in the top candle without the DB? Thats the meaning the new entry for short? Because is the retracement of a downtrend?
  • #3,152
  • Feb 27, 2016 2:37pm Feb 27, 2016 2:37pm
Quoting Contrax
{quote} Master, and what happen if the 4horsemen doesnt cross for the uptrend swing but there is the SAR atached in the top candle without the DB? Thats the meaning the new entry for short? Because is the retracement of a downtrend?
That is my understanding, yes. Retracement and entry back into the trend.
  • #3,153
  • Feb 27, 2016 2:52pm Feb 27, 2016 2:52pm
Quoting JMaurice
{quote} That is my understanding, yes. Retracement and entry back into the trend.
I agree with you and in that case the SAR will be "set in stone".
  • #3,154
  • Feb 27, 2016 7:33pm Feb 27, 2016 7:33pm
Quoting Masik
{quote} I agree with you and in that case the SAR will be "set in stone".
Yes, im studying and clarifyng more things but better im going to wait next week for more information of Dana... i dont want continue posting fool things and i dont want to bother more Dana with my inmadurate things...

Next week im going to always entry in the Candle Open. (I was entry in the touch of support or resistance... but im watching right now that sometimes for example in a downtrend... the price can touch a good resistance... but can continue going up.... I think is the reason that Dana always entry in a candle close - candle open.. but im not sure.)
  • #3,155
  • Edited 1:31am Feb 28, 2016 1:04am | Edited 1:31am
Dana in you image here, you show the SAR under DB attached at 123.612 to the top of a candle at 00:00 25/02/2016.

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But in our current charts the SAR (under DB) had moved to a higher high at 125.000 just after Sydney open on Friday.

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If SAR is set in stone after close, why did this SAR move? was it because this candle had not yet closed and the SAR disappeared before close? or some other reason.

Edit. I have my answer here.
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The DB can and will mix with the SAR - as it is now. Once the DB and SAR are attached with the same bar then the DB has the control. In trend the DB will move from bar to bar in trend with the SAR following. And at times the DB is on top of the SAR where the SAR is not showing. And you will see this happening. But once the SAR breaks out from the DB it is then projecting its own swing once again.
  • #3,156
  • Feb 28, 2016 1:16am Feb 28, 2016 1:16am
Quoting nigpig
Dana in you image here, you show the SAR under DB attached at 123.612 to the top of a candle at 00:00 25/02/2016. {image} But in our current charts the SAR (under DB) had moved to a higher high at 125.000 just after Sydney open on Friday. {image} If SAR is set in stone after close, why did this SAR move? was it because this candle had not yet closed and the SAR disappeared before close? or some other reason.
The SAR after it creates a new atach to the top of a candle, the last atach to the bottom is set a stone i guess.
  • #3,157
  • Feb 28, 2016 1:27am Feb 28, 2016 1:27am
Just found the answer here from Dove around 2nd Feb.

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The DB can and will mix with the SAR - as it is now. Once the DB and SAR are attached with the same bar then the DB has the control. In trend the DB will move from bar to bar in trend with the SAR following. And at times the DB is on top of the SAR where the SAR is not showing. And you will see this happening. But once the SAR breaks out from the DB it is then projecting its own swing once again.
  • #3,158
  • Feb 28, 2016 1:29am Feb 28, 2016 1:29am
Quoting Contrax
{quote} The SAR after it creates a new atach to the top of a candle, the last atach to the bottom is set a stone i guess.
No, in my opinion the SAR is not set in stone yet. It depends on the trend at Sunday opening. If the market will go down confirming the trend indicated by the SAR (down because attached at the bottom of the candle) and forming a new lower low the DB will be coincident with the SAR. Read Dove's posting 2951: it will clarify the "set in stone" meanings.
  • #3,159
  • Feb 28, 2016 1:49am Feb 28, 2016 1:49am
Quoting dove_alliance
I am going to give an example of my trade yesterday in using the DB/SAR for a 100+ pips in consolidation: The screen shot below is showing four 2 hour candles hanging out with "0" Fibo and going nowhere for the continuance of the downtrend and it was time to go long. And the reason the market was consolidating for over 7 hours. {image} Looking at this 1 hour I made entry with the open above Smooth which also had White at Purple. {image} Now - going back to the 2 hour you had the SAR attached to the previous candle just before the 17:00 closing/opening....
edit: this example was from post 2951. Also, The entry candle on the 1hour is in the middle of a 2h bar. The open was at 12:00pm and 2hour candles open at 11:00 and 1:00.

In this example, he went long way before any of the indicators changed. 4 candles ranging and then he took the 1hour with just an open above smooth. I thought the whole point was that we had to WAIT for the DB to join the SAR up for the Long. The SAR attached itself to the top with EMA and Parabolics trending down, which I believed to be a SHORT ENTRY. However if you waited the 9:00est opening candle is where the DB attached up confirming LONG.

"IN TREND the SAR will break away from the DB and attached to the BOTTOM of a candle and that is when the SAR is set in stone for a reentry into the uptrend. And vice-versa on a downtrend attaching to the TOP of a candle. I hope that clears up confusion with the SAR set in stone." So doesn't that mean this was a SHORT entry until the DB attached to the top? If so how did you know to take it long before the SAR and DB flipped to the top besides from reading price action ranging?
  • #3,160
  • Feb 28, 2016 1:52am Feb 28, 2016 1:52am
Quoting Masik
{quote} No, in my opinion the SAR is not set in stone yet. It depends on the trend at Sunday opening. If the market will go down confirming the trend indicated by the SAR (down because attached at the bottom of the candle) and forming a new lower low the DB will be coincident with the SAR. Read Dove's posting 2951: it will clarify the "set in stone" meanings.
Yes, i never said that the actual SAR is set a stone.. im talking that when IF SAR creates a new top atach, the last bottom atach now is set at stone. But we dont know right now what movement is going to be.
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