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  • #3,121
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:37am Feb 27, 2016 11:37am
So, if you get a Red Arrow going down in a trend - the next arrow is Green for the turn. And vice versa. So always keep track of the Arrows in which direction you are going and wait on the reverse of the next Arrow. Just be careful of the consolidations.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,122
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:39am Feb 27, 2016 11:39am
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Daniel - you are anticipating and you cannot do that. Besides - what did i say about the G20.
Yes master it was an example about the atached stone about SAR. I know that there exist 3 probabilities of movement. I just want to know how the sar is atached as a stone.
  • #3,123
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:40am Feb 27, 2016 11:40am
Quoting Contrax
{quote} Yes master it was an example about the atached stone about SAR. I know that there exist 3 probabilities of movement. I just want to know how the sar is atached as a stone.
We will get into the variations during training.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,124
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:54am Feb 27, 2016 11:54am
One other thing - sometimes the alert will go off and the arrow is not showing. When that happens slide your horizontal bar down on the right and you will see it; and then slide it back. The alert is for all the charts.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,125
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:56am Feb 27, 2016 11:56am
Quoting dove_alliance
One other thing - sometimes the alert will go off and the arrow is not showing. When that happens slide your horizontal bar down on the right and you will see it; and then slide it back. The alert is for all the charts.
What that means is the arrow is hidden either on the very top or the very bottom.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,126
  • Feb 27, 2016 11:56am Feb 27, 2016 11:56am
Contrax, to help with the language. Set in stone means not possible to move. Attached is just that, an attachment and not permanent. I think set in stone here means stuck and not possible to move.
  • #3,127
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:05pm Feb 27, 2016 12:05pm
Dove, I have found it very confusing that the DB can detach and move on. With the current 2H chart, if this goes up trend, wont the DB detach and the re-attach at a new high. The SAR however, will not move. So (if Im right) the SAR is a little diversion from the main trend and something to follow when joining the trend again after its diversion back into the main trend of DB?
  • #3,128
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:21pm Feb 27, 2016 12:21pm
With this scenario I will demonstrate the SAR and DB working together:

On this screen shot take notice of the White crossing Purple to begin with. The first attachment with the SAR was with the Green candle going up and ABOVE Parabolic which placed the Parabolic in elimination as resistance because of the White crossing. The next bar the SAR attached with it and began a retrace to the Parabolic with the Smooth crossing. This was the beginning of new trend going up. And the SAR was the indication of a new trend with the crossing of both White and Smooth.
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On this Screen shot the DB attached with the SAR which verify the trend and entry going long for 40 pips. You were already in trend before the DB/SAR verification with 4 horsemen and 40 pips were just waiting to be taken.
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  • #3,129
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:31pm Feb 27, 2016 12:31pm
Quoting nigpig
Dove, I have found it very confusing that the DB can detach and move on. With the current 2H chart, if this goes up trend, wont the DB detach and the re-attach at a new high. The SAR however, will not move. So (if Im right) the SAR is a little diversion from the main trend and something to follow when joining the trend again after its diversion back into the main trend of DB?
Yes - the DB is only a trend indicator going from higher/high on the uptrend and lower/low on the downtrend. The SAR - once it attaches with the DB - it will trend with the DB. That is when the SAR will break loose from the DB on A RETRACE for entries back into the trend with the DB.

What everyone has to realize the DB/SAR are only tools for the trend. These two indicators are tools to get you into a trend for 40 pips. Other than that they are basic for long term with the Fibo. So do not place all your eggs into one basket with the DB/SAR. You still have to trade for the 40 pips daily; or using these tools for long term along with the Fibo.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,130
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:43pm Feb 27, 2016 12:43pm
The variables with this system will blow you out of the water if you are not careful. The variables are limitless and you cannot use them all in trading. You have to decide which variable you will be comfortable with and use it. Trying to mix the variables will only confuse you; so when you find the variable you are comfortable with is the ticket for success; and also, is the one to be trading.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,131
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:53pm Feb 27, 2016 12:53pm
Quoting dove_alliance
With this scenario I will demonstrate the SAR and DB working together: On this screen shot take notice of the White crossing Purple to begin with. The first attachment with the SAR was with the Green candle going up and ABOVE Parabolic which placed the Parabolic in elimination as resistance because of the White crossing. The next bar the SAR attached with it and began a retrace to the Parabolic with the Smooth crossing. This was the beginning of new trend going up. And the SAR was the indication of a new trend with the crossing of both White and...
So Dove, in this example, the SAR attaching to the top is telling us that the trend is now changing to up (from the down trend we were in). However, in other instances we see that the SAR attaching to the top can be used an entry back into the downtrend. It looks to me that if SAR attaches without White/Purple crossing, it is a signal to enter back into the trend, but if SAR attaches with White/Purple having crossed, then it is a signal of a new trend? Is that a correct statement?

In the two examples in the chart, the SAR attached prior to White/Purple crossing, but also below the PSAR. Perhaps attaching below the PSAR indicates the SAR should be used as a with trend entry?

Thank you -
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  • #3,132
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:54pm Feb 27, 2016 12:54pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Thank you Andy for your kind words. I am only the messenger and nothing more; and believe me - I am far from perfect. And being a man of God my disobedience can cost me much; and has cost me many times in life because of being disobedient with the covenant between me and God. So praise our Lord and thank Him, and not me; It was He that has brought you this far.
Dana,
I want you to know that I totally understand where you're coming from in that statement. I could tell you stories for hours of where my disobedience has cost me! Choose to sin - chose to suffer. That's how I know I'm a child of God...I'm being disciplined on a regular basis. He's brought me SO far and now is blessing me far beyond what I could have ever imagined! I love giving and if He chooses to bless my trading with what I'm learning here, my plan is to put a lot of it towards kingdom work considering how much He's done for me. Now I'm starting to understand the big question...why are you doing this? I know God will be glorified in ways that you'll see and some that you may not hear about. I'm thankful that you're a man of God and that you reflect the praise you're given here in this thread to Him who most deserves it. For it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose. Philippians 2:13

I'm watching this thread closely and studying hard. I may not ask a lot of questions but most of the ones I've had are being addressed through questions from others. I'm sure I'll have plenty in the future though. Thank you!
~ Tim
  • #3,133
  • Feb 27, 2016 12:58pm Feb 27, 2016 12:58pm
Quoting dove_alliance
The variables with this system will blow you out of the water if you are not careful. The variables are limitless and you cannot use them all in trading. You have to decide which variable you will be comfortable with and use it. Trying to mix the variables will only confuse you; so when you find the variable you are comfortable with is the ticket for success; and also, is the one to be trading.
Your goal is to be a very successful trader. Not trying to be the best of the best because it will take you many, many years in being one. And to be a successful trader you must first find the "nitch" that will create you in being successful. And the "nitch" is outside of the box in what makes you comfortable and not within. So find that variable outside the box that will place you into a comfort zone of success without emotions.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,134
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:03pm Feb 27, 2016 1:03pm
Quoting JMaurice
{quote} So Dove, in this example, the SAR attaching to the top is telling us that the trend is now changing to up (from the down trend we were in). However, in other instances we see that the SAR attaching to the top can be used an entry back into the downtrend. It looks to me that if SAR attaches without White/Purple crossing, it is a signal to enter back into the trend, but if SAR attaches with White/Purple having crossed, then it is a signal of a new trend? Is that a correct statement? In the two examples in the chart, the SAR attached prior...
No - that is not what the SAR was saying. It was giving you the entry back into the trend with the Parabolic/EMA heavy in trend.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,135
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:12pm Feb 27, 2016 1:12pm
Quoting JMaurice
{quote} So Dove, in this example, the SAR attaching to the top is telling us that the trend is now changing to up (from the down trend we were in). However, in other instances we see that the SAR attaching to the top can be used an entry back into the downtrend. It looks to me that if SAR attaches without White/Purple crossing, it is a signal to enter back into the trend, but if SAR attaches with White/Purple having crossed, then it is a signal of a new trend? Is that a correct statement? In the two examples in the chart, the SAR attached prior...
Also take note of the Green and Red arrows on the chart:

You had a slider with Green Arrow showing with the hit on EMA. The Parabolic was it and did not get above the Parabolic for elimination. It hit EMA again with the Red Arrow and the next open candle was the signal back into the Parabolic/EMA trend.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,136
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:18pm Feb 27, 2016 1:18pm
Quoting Repoman
{quote} Dana, I want you to know that I totally understand where you're coming from in that statement. I could tell you stories for hours of where my disobedience has cost me! Choose to sin - chose to suffer. That's how I know I'm a child of God...I'm being disciplined on a regular basis. He's brought me SO far and now is blessing me far beyond what I could have ever imagined! I love giving and if He chooses to bless my trading with what I'm learning here, my plan is to put a lot of it towards kingdom work considering how much He's done for me....
Why am I doing this?

Somewhere in the beginning I answered that question. And the reason is because of the Holy Spirit guided me here to the FF and teach. I had never believed it would happen to post on a public forum. But obedience is the way I walk.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #3,137
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:27pm Feb 27, 2016 1:27pm
We are very very fortunate people that he did and you did. I, for one, among many others really appreciate what you are doing.
  • #3,138
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:27pm Feb 27, 2016 1:27pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Why am I doing this? Somewhere in the beginning I answered that question. And the reason is because of the Holy Spirit guided me here to the FF and teach. I had never believed it would happen to post on a public forum. But obedience is the way I walk.
Yes...I wasn't actually asking why, I was saying that I'm better understanding the question "Why are you doing this"? I'm seeing that it's God through the Holy Spirit that's causing you to act for His good purpose. Thus the Phil 2:13 passage. Poor wording of my statement I guess.
~ Tim
  • #3,139
  • Feb 27, 2016 1:29pm Feb 27, 2016 1:29pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} No - that is not what the SAR was saying. It was giving you the entry back into the trend with the Parabolic/EMA heavy in trend.
Okay, thank you. I will try to go through this again to clarify in my mind: In the image you posted, Parbolic and EMA were in heavy downtrend, but the Parabolic was eliminated by White crossing Purple. In the examples I posted, White had not crossed Purple, therefore Parabolic was still resistance when the SAR attached to the top of the bar, indicating a retracement in the continued Parabolic/EMA downtrend.

Thank you -
  • #3,140
  • Edited 1:54pm Feb 27, 2016 1:40pm | Edited 1:54pm
Hi Dove,

I am translating Your post for my handbook, so just one question did You ment 2%-3% or 2,3% (original is 2.3%)
Thanks.
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