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  • #181
  • Oct 11, 2015 10:03pm Oct 11, 2015 10:03pm
Quoting JimN
I'm confused. The site seems to be there as expected, offering some "new" program. Did it disappear from the net during the Summer?
Yes you are right. The site back up again and offering a new programme. It looks like we were completely misunderstood the situation Darkstar was in and bombarded him for broken promises.His situation is completely understandable and I wished he would have atleast told the member of the site bit of his situation and just toook a break from site without hastily closing down it. But things happen and once we are mentaly down we do not know what we are doing know. I was there my self last year or so I can understand it ...It looks like he is geting well now. Hope all goes well for you DS.


So as I am now feel guilty of bombarding him for broken promises....this is the least i can do to correct my mistake..

I feel he is a genuine person ( even though he takes hasty decisions). And I do not feel he is a scammer at all. I have been Ultimate trader programme (which i paid 2995) and I was completely happy with it(apart frm the site closing down episode). But I didn't get enough time to practice the method as darkstar moved in to trade stocks after our programme.Well its completely different matter... In the UTIP programme we spent three complete weeks with him learning markets and that opened up a new way of seeing thing in the market. man....we learned a lot...

Now he also inviting the past students also to join with his new programme ( for free as for my knowledge). Been part of the site and the community felt fantastic those days (even though we were let down with whole episode of closing down the site). And I ve seen he taking and calling the live bids at major news times. If I could have spent more time with him in UTIP programme then I feel I could get more confidence to go live.

This is just my view of the things.
pardon me for my English
  • #182
  • Dec 30, 2015 8:08am Dec 30, 2015 8:08am
Sorry for closing down the site over the summer. In hindsight it wasn't the best thing to do, but eh, we all make the choices we do for what seem like good reasons at the time.

In any event, everything's back up and better then ever.
  • #183
  • Dec 30, 2015 8:09am Dec 30, 2015 8:09am
Re Previous UTIP students... you should have access, but if not, just contact me.
  • #184
  • Dec 30, 2015 8:11am Dec 30, 2015 8:11am
New Article: The year that was and what comes next (http://www.orderflowtrading.com/Articles/tabid/392/entryid/24556/The-year-that-was-and-what-you-can-look-forward-to-next.aspx)
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As we wind down the last few days of our 5th year of operations, I’d like to take a minute to reflect on the year that was and layout what you can look forward to next.

2015 Markets Review

This was a difficult year for many of the best market participants. With the S&P500 looking set to close around break even for the year and the collapse..

Read the rest of entry » (http://www.orderflowtrading.com/Articles/tabid/392/entryid/24556/The-year-that-was-and-what-you-can-look-forward-to-next.aspx)
  • #185
  • Dec 30, 2015 9:12am Dec 30, 2015 9:12am
Quoting Darkstar
Re Previous UTIP students... you should have access, but if not, just contact me.
It seems that books purchasers do not have access to the chat forum at either site. Is that as planned? Unless I am doing something wrong to access. Thanks.
  • #186
  • Jan 29, 2016 5:19pm Jan 29, 2016 5:19pm
Have you read the shite on his website? " this has literally changed my life-Laurence" Fuck me lads.
  • #187
  • Jan 29, 2016 5:22pm Jan 29, 2016 5:22pm
Quoting Suranga2500
{quote} Yes you are right. The site back up again and offering a new programme. It looks like we were completely misunderstood the situation Darkstar was in and bombarded him for broken promises.His situation is completely understandable and I wished he would have atleast told the member of the site bit of his situation and just toook a break from site without hastily closing down it. But things happen and once we are mentaly down we do not know what we are doing know. I was there my self last year or so I can understand it ...It looks like he is...
He's spent the money and now he wants some more. What does he do with all the money he makes from order flow trading?
  • #188
  • Jan 29, 2016 5:39pm Jan 29, 2016 5:39pm
  • #189
  • Jan 29, 2016 5:41pm Jan 29, 2016 5:41pm
Quoting TheGreatMilenko
{quote} He's spent the money and now he wants some more. What does he do with all the money he makes from order flow trading?
The FF is alive with con men such as "Darkstar". I'm amazed at how many brain dead little groupies will jump to the defence of the Darkstars of the world.
  • #190
  • Jan 29, 2016 5:46pm Jan 29, 2016 5:46pm
Quoting edge540
{quote} The FF is alive with con men such as "Darkstar". I'm amazed at how many brain dead little groupies will jump to the defence of the Darkstars of the world.
Thank you. This isn't going to go down well but.....James16 , been compounding interest for at least 10 years....still SELLING website subscriptions....you do the math(s).
  • #191
  • Jan 29, 2016 7:26pm Jan 29, 2016 7:26pm
Quoting edge540
{quote} The FF is alive with con men such as "Darkstar". I'm amazed at how many brain dead little groupies will jump to the defence of the Darkstars of the world.
I must be braindead then. Interesting that there is more value in his little book than across this whole forum, and yet here you clowns sit whining about a product I'm certain you have no actual knowledge of.

But, keep playing the same tune and raging against people who make something of themselves. To each their own.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #192
  • Jan 30, 2016 2:06am Jan 30, 2016 2:06am
I am not picking on "Darkstar" in particular.
All trading methodologies have a shelf life. Customers only need to believe that it works, after a while the customer base gives up and moves to some other system / guru.
From a commercial perspective the key is to capitalize on the situation while there is a lot of interest and people are willing to pay.
  • #193
  • Jan 30, 2016 6:46am Jan 30, 2016 6:46am
There appears to be many differing opinions on this thread, not just to DS but to mentors in general.

This is also the topic of another thread I have just started here (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=8719692#post8719692).

Please read the poll and place a vote if you have ever used a mentor, then we can start a well thought out discussion on this.

Thanks.
  • #194
  • Feb 5, 2016 6:25am Feb 5, 2016 6:25am
John Lefevre is right, the boos do come from the cheap seats.

Maybe you guys should stop trying to find mentors who offer a "trading system" and start learning how to BE TRADERS.

Every system has an embedded win rate somewhere around break even. Avoid trading it on days where it isn't effective and it becomes profitable.

It's not rocket science. Most people just don't listen to the market. They want it to operate how they need it to as opposed to how it actually does, and then wonder why they can't find success.

In short, a mentor is a tool that you can use to overcome your own shortcoming. Don't blame the mentor for your failings if you refuse to put in the hard work on yourself.

Side note: my firm just got listed in the Reuters directory. Wonder how many of the people here know what the Reuters directory is... never mind why they will never have access to it. Thankfully only 11 more months and I'll be done with this retail shit forever.

Now I'm off to my live trading floor where a dozen other successful traders and I call all of our trades.

Trade well and enjoy your day.
  • #195
  • Feb 5, 2016 6:29am Feb 5, 2016 6:29am
Quoting TheGreatMilenko
{quote} He's spent the money and now he wants some more. What does he do with all the money he makes from order flow trading?
​Someday when your trading becomes a real business you'll understand that there is this thing called overhead.

Most of it goes to pay for staff, infrastructure, and research.
  • #196
  • Feb 10, 2016 6:14am Feb 10, 2016 6:14am
Quoting Darkstar
John Lefevre is right, the boos do come from the cheap seats. Maybe you guys should stop trying to find mentors who offer a "trading system" and start learning how to BE TRADERS. Every system has an embedded win rate somewhere around break even. Avoid trading it on days where it isn't effective and it becomes profitable. It's not rocket science. Most people just don't listen to the market. They want it to operate how they need it to as opposed to how it actually does, and then wonder why they can't find success. In short, a mentor is a tool that...
As modest as ever. What a super chap.
  • #197
  • Feb 11, 2016 3:07am Feb 11, 2016 3:07am
Quoting Darkstar
Side note: my firm just got listed in the Reuters directory. Wonder how many of the people here know what the Reuters directory is... never mind why they will never have access to it. Thankfully only 11 more months and I'll be done with this retail shit forever. Now I'm off to my live trading floor where a dozen other successful traders and I call all of our trades. Trade well and enjoy your day.
Which one?
http://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2jzj1i/ds-goldsmith-llc
The most recent firm started, D.S. Goldsmith LLC is less than a year old.

You clearly have a good market structure knowledge, or at least have the time/people to research it well.
If you compile a book, or some other reference resource by all means charge for the effort involved in creating it...but the one thing I will never understand is:

All the mentors here, and elsewhere claim to be able to make people better traders. The best teachers are successful in their fields...not in theory, in practice.
You'd think with all the people paying for your services, you or at least one successful student could actually demonstrate the benefits of your teachings with a simple trade explorer or Myfxbook profile.
Even from a business perspective, surely one of those is about the best possible marketing tool you could have right? Demonstrated application?
If I were in the mentor business I would actually offer a cash incentive for a student to show his trading success after my course! Actually, no...I'd show my own success.

I'm actually not having a go at you really. The exact same thing is true for almost all the commercial guys here. Reading some of your posts was actually very informative. But, to me the burden of proof is the responsibility of the purveyor. Too many mentors are hiding behind disclaimers.
You can take offence to the criticisms if you wish, but it hasn't just come from the cheap seats...your own customers have expressed disappointment in your actions.
Surely that must hold some weight?

I don't believe for a moment you can't understand why people are suspicious of what you're doing.
Churning out different businesses, not honoring customer expectations, and having no evidence of your own trading success in a public forum. It also strikes as a little odd that you don't seem to be named as manager of any of your companies.

I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears...I don't expect a response. I hold a naive hope that one day, someone from the commercial section will come in with evidence to shut people like me up.
But I won't hold my breath.
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
  • #198
  • Feb 12, 2016 4:17am Feb 12, 2016 4:17am
Lets just assume I can't trade, and none of my students are successful.

What would you like to do now?
  • #199
  • Feb 12, 2016 4:40am Feb 12, 2016 4:40am
there are some real people who makes money from trading yet sells books/EA/signals/strategies/ideas/websites.

few do it for more money, few do it to genuinely help others and also take a small fee, few do it because they are bored to trade alone. I dont know where DS fits in.
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  • #200
  • Feb 12, 2016 5:08am Feb 12, 2016 5:08am
Quoting Darkstar
Lets just assume I can't trade, and none of my students are successful. What would you like to do now?

I don't want to do anything. I'm not a customer of yours, nor am I part of your business(es).
My post was not a call for action..it was pointing out one simple fact:

That the overwhelming majority of commercial members here can offer no evidence of their long term success in trading; and worse they decry any request to see some proof that they can actually apply their knowledge in the real market, or in their ability to teach.

Unfortunately whether you can trade or not i irrelevant, right now you fit this profile exactly. You are by no means alone.

I think I made the point clear in my last post, but to summarize:
The solution is simple... no product is worth anything if it's success can't be demonstrated and replicated.
Yet...the commercial members here spend far more time being defensive about requests to see proof, than it would take to actually prove it.

If nothing else.. it's just bad business.

Note: I'm not saying there are not those who can trade, and make money from other avenues such as mentoring etc.
What I am saying, is that if you're trying to sell anything without evidence that it works, you are just a poor business person.
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
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