Id like to discuss market manipulation behaviours that you have learned and noticed on charts?
- #6
- Feb 7, 2016 8:57am Feb 7, 2016 8:57am
- Joined Jan 2011 | Status: dump and pump | 4,055 Posts
All posts are my personal opinion
- #8
- Feb 7, 2016 9:09am Feb 7, 2016 9:09am
- Joined Jan 2011 | Status: dump and pump | 4,055 Posts
All posts are my personal opinion
- #9
- Feb 7, 2016 9:28am Feb 7, 2016 9:28am
- | Joined Oct 2012 | Status: in between fear and euphoria | 830 Posts
There are so many things wrong here that I wont even be able to touch on each but also this whole thread is subjective in nature that why even bother? You never ever really going to know for sure trading OTC FX spot what is 'manipulated' and what isn't by just looking at a chart. Spend some more time looking into order flow and market micro structure basics and then this will make much more sense instead of just trying to assume with some random drawing of a line graph what hypothetically happens in a market containing millions of different participants...
- just by what you wrote lies the futility of assessing whether it's manipulated or not.Spend some more time looking into order flow and market micro structure basics
, and when you mention level 2 to them, they think it's some kind of upgrade in your trading skill 
- #13
- Feb 7, 2016 9:48am Feb 7, 2016 9:48am
- | Joined Oct 2012 | Status: in between fear and euphoria | 830 Posts
Demo and others thanks for your input, not long ago I made quite some money on forex, the reason being I came across someone who told me to think "think where id put my stops when trading and wait. Only trade once those stops had been targeted" and it worked.
- but I never put them because I'm afraid/aware someone will hunt them. I put them in a specific place because that is the place I DON'T want to see the price go to.Good luck
- any may the manipulators be manipulated - if there ever is such a thing {quote} you cannot perceive double tops/bottoms to be mandatory on horizontal lines... I mean you could, but on more volatile assets they rarely are. And trading those double tops/bottoms as soon as you see price touching them is fundamentally wrong. Correct me if i'm wrong - every time an asset "jumps out" of what we think is a trading range, and comes back afterwards - is a potential market manipulation? Or some? Or none? Who can tell...? - get the sarcasm? Try to find as many flat ranges in a given time frame as possible - and compare how many...
- #16
- Feb 7, 2016 10:48am Feb 7, 2016 10:48am
- | Joined Oct 2012 | Status: in between fear and euphoria | 830 Posts
Nice "chart examples" but we all know market is a live beast adapting to us, rather us adapting to it but I digress.
So...it would be nice if market simply jumped out of the range, and not whipsaw us so many times right? Try to imagine how would a market trading like that look like? Draw some charts. To make the story short, then there would be no markets. It would mean that after a price breach of the channel, we will simply see a 100% trend in that direction. Where's the challenge there?
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So...it would be nice if market simply jumped out of the range, and not whipsaw us so many times right? Try to imagine how would a market trading like that look like? Draw some charts. To make the story short, then there would be no markets. It would mean that after a price breach of the channel, we will simply see a 100% trend in that direction. Where's the challenge there?
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Nice "chart examples" but we all know market is a live beast adapting to us, rather us adapting to it but I digress. So...it would be nice if market simply jumped out of the range, and not whipsaw us so many times right? Try to imagine how would a market trading like that look like? Draw some charts. To make the story short, then there would be no markets. It would mean that after a price breach of the channel, we will simply see a 100% trend in that direction. Where's the challenge there? ....
- #18
- Feb 7, 2016 11:46am Feb 7, 2016 11:46am
- Joined Feb 2006 | Status: Trader | 2,228 Posts
{image} Id like to discuss market manipulation behaviours that you have learned and noticed on charts?
following along. This will benefit me as well.
I am constantly learning. 
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- #19
- Feb 7, 2016 11:47am Feb 7, 2016 11:47am
- Joined Feb 2006 | Status: Trader | 2,228 Posts
Buy at the bottom where the 'high risk stop loss' line is, it's often on a whole, half or quarter number, which is normally under a low from where an upmove went on and created a new high in relation to the price action directly to the left of it.
An eye opener.
- #20
- Feb 7, 2016 12:12pm Feb 7, 2016 12:12pm
- | Joined Oct 2012 | Status: in between fear and euphoria | 830 Posts
{quote} To me the market is definitely manipulation with genuine trend movements too, the problem is knowing when the trend is legit; to when it is being manipulated to farce, whoever can supply this answer gets my eternal gratitude lol.
But probability is high we will never find out - so I act accordingly. Don't think about it.
I think there was a trader, one of more familiar "gurus" of the modern trading era...he made a few billion USD profit over just a few years - but with a 4% success rate (4 positive trades out of 100). The way he did it is by "probing" the market with 'false' orders, thus finding out where are the s/r areas upon which he positioned himself later for high leverage.
I wonder how would you manipulate that kind of a trader?
(it's an artist, not a trader in my opinion)