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  • #1,321
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:09pm Feb 2, 2016 7:09pm
I'm going to try and explain SAR and DB again:

The SAR is the swings in between the high and low of the Fibo (Lime Green; low and Magenta; high). The DB is your long term swing in trend and will change the Fibo at the higher/high and/or lower/low. There are times the Fibo will flip on a Swing. But is still an entry with the flip.

The DB can and will mix with the SAR - as it is now. Once the DB and SAR are attached with the same bar then the DB has the control. In trend the DB will move from bar to bar in trend with the SAR following. And at times the DB is on top of the SAR where the SAR is not showing. And you will see this happening. But once the SAR breaks out from the DB it is then projecting its own swing once again.

Lest say the trend is down. The SAR leaves DB and reaches for the top of a candle. That is entry back into the DB trend and vice versa. And then reattaches with the DB.

Any questions?
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #1,322
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:17pm Feb 2, 2016 7:17pm
Here is an example with the SAR and DB together with the SAR under the DB:
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  • #1,323
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:22pm Feb 2, 2016 7:22pm
Many thanks for additional clarification, still can't say that that I have full grasp of it, but it is because of nature of this issue, i must see live that happening in order to say that "now i understand".

But as I said this comment is precious in order for me to study, especially: "Let's say the trend is down. The SAR leaves DB and reaches for the top of a candle. That is entry back into the DB trend and vice versa. And then reattached with the DB. " because i think that understand difference of trading DB in Trend vs trading DB in Consolidation
  • #1,324
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:29pm Feb 2, 2016 7:29pm
Daily ROMAR showing resistance, will see what H2/H1 close can provide as information and accordingly should I stay in short.
  • #1,325
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:30pm Feb 2, 2016 7:30pm
Here a great example of the DB went from the top to the bottom to create a new swing going UP:

From the top was DB first attaching to the bottom - then on the way up in trend the SAR attached to the bottom of a candle from the top and placed you into the trend. And then reconnected with DB to end the Swing. But notice on both points for entry and exit of the SAR the next candle tried it best to get lower/low for the entry and higher/high after the exit. But could not do it.
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  • #1,326
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:36pm Feb 2, 2016 7:36pm
Regarding Contour lines; I just inadvertently closed MT4, and, on re opening, noticed about an 8pip difference in level contour lines are drawn. At this time, I notice no other differences.
(Edit) I did just notice that my fibo also changed color, but only when size of chart is not full.

Would you please mention what other indicators can be affected by odd hour changes?

Thanks
  • #1,327
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:38pm Feb 2, 2016 7:38pm
In this situation we are in now - the 2 hour is in trend going from bar to bar with both the SAR and DB. And this is what happens in trend. And it will continue in trend until the 2 hour White has crossed Purple. I hope everyone is beginning to see the bigger picture.
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  • #1,328
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:40pm Feb 2, 2016 7:40pm
Quoting diamonddbw
Regarding Contour lines; I just inadvertently closed MT4, and, on re opening, noticed about an 8pip difference in level contour lines are drawn. At this time, I notice no other differences. (Edit) I did just notice that my fibo also changed color, but only when size of chart is not full. Would you please mention what other indicators can be affected by odd hour changes? Thanks
Nothing from 17:00 to 17:00 EST. When you close your MT4 you then lost all data.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #1,329
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:41pm Feb 2, 2016 7:41pm
Hi

Im new to the thread joined yesterday and trying to cram everything in.

I have a question regarding the GMT offset my broker time is eastern european and is GMT +2 does that mean I need to change the session times to GMT offset to -7 to bring in line with New York.

TIA
  • #1,330
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:41pm Feb 2, 2016 7:41pm
I have noticed the red vertical lines for the 20ma and 5ma move. Have noticed nothing else.
  • #1,331
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:44pm Feb 2, 2016 7:44pm
OK Traders - need to call it a night. Everyone take care; trade well; and God bless us all.
The Dove - Forex Trainer
  • #1,332
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:44pm Feb 2, 2016 7:44pm
Quoting dove_alliance
Here a great example of the DB went from the top to the bottom to create a new swing going UP: From the top was DB first attaching to the bottom - then on the way up in trend the SAR attached to the bottom of a candle from the top and placed you into the trend. And then reconnected with DB to end the Swing. But notice on both points for entry and exit of the SAR the next candle tried it best to get lower/low for the entry and higher/high after the exit. But could not do it. {image}
So Dove, in the moment, with H2 DB in downtrend, if H2 SAR forms a lower high, that would be a re-entry into the down trend?
  • #1,333
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:47pm Feb 2, 2016 7:47pm
Good night Dove
  • #1,334
  • Feb 2, 2016 7:50pm Feb 2, 2016 7:50pm
Quoting dove_alliance
{quote} Nothing from 17:00 to 17:00 EST. When you close your MT4 you then lost all data.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Got it. So I'll just close up shop and see you tomorrow.
  • #1,335
  • Feb 2, 2016 8:01pm Feb 2, 2016 8:01pm
still everything in place staying for my 20 pips and going to bed
  • #1,336
  • Feb 2, 2016 8:17pm Feb 2, 2016 8:17pm
Dear Mr Dove,

I only see 50% what you say, If you can note what you say on your picture, it will help me very much and everythying is more clearly.

Thank you Dove.
  • #1,337
  • Feb 3, 2016 12:27am Feb 3, 2016 12:27am
Quoting snfx
short ot opening 130.745 for 20 pips
Congrats with your 20 pips profit trade!
95% of the people don't believe 100% they can win, that's why they lose
  • #1,338
  • Feb 3, 2016 1:35am Feb 3, 2016 1:35am
Hi can someone please send me a 2h and 1h chart I want to make sure that mine is matching

Thanks
  • #1,339
  • Feb 3, 2016 2:05am Feb 3, 2016 2:05am
took 20 pips last night from short, but I would like to share interesting long trade, it was wery agresive entry based on appreciation of fact that Daily Romar is seriously threatened, and fact that price bounce of H2 romar and was slightly under Daily Smoth.

so 1/2 long at 130,559 and another half at 130,532; around 130,680 move stops to BE because of high possibility to turn against me, around 130,800 move stops to +10, and few minutes later to +20, on 130,898 SAR appear on H1 so moved stops to +30, first half taken out in few minutes with +30 and little bit later second half. Didnt manage to take screen shoot of last moved stops...
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  • #1,340
  • Feb 3, 2016 2:07am Feb 3, 2016 2:07am
Price comes first, indicators follow. Dont forget this important factor...All the indicators in the world can help guide you..but its never a guarantee.
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