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  • #2,161
  • Jan 15, 2016 3:15am Jan 15, 2016 3:15am
Quoting artmat
.... What is the swap on oil?
I don't know, I follow oil pricing because of its effect on stocks, however I have heard that CFD roll-over can be expensive so perhaps the best idea is to ask your broker.

I just watched a short clip from Bloomberg TV where two things are apparent; all the producers are pressing ahead with production, there is nothing happening to make a rise in demand seem likely. The presenter, tongue-in-cheek, asked the talking head whether sub-$20 prices were likely; whilst not appearing convinced he admitted that he could not rule it out.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #2,162
  • Jan 15, 2016 4:34am Jan 15, 2016 4:34am
I have asked them now. As it is futures there is no Swap. But the price only "lasts" about 1 month, so position automatically closes each month. Not possible to hold position for several months...
  • #2,163
  • Jan 15, 2016 7:32am Jan 15, 2016 7:32am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} It depends upon a few things..... What is your target ? How long are you prepared to wait ? Does that $3000 give enough cover for price moving in the non-preferred direction ? It seems reasonable expect that price will go to $45 but that might not be until the year 2017 In the meantime price could go to $10
At this rates $10 looks possible lol.. Some guy in Saudi Arabia probably lost his head over this oil loss today lol:.
  • #2,164
  • Jan 15, 2016 7:35am Jan 15, 2016 7:35am
Quoting stylinex
{quote} At this rates $10 looks possible lol.. Some guy in Saudi Arabia probably lost his head over this oil loss today lol:.
At this rate, soon your local frontcourt will pay you to refilling your car!
  • #2,165
  • Jan 15, 2016 11:10am Jan 15, 2016 11:10am
My source says we go to $20 and then rally to $55 before end of this year. Cost is low in Middle East. Cost is high in Canada,America and Russia

http://bit.ly/1Zk47ms
  • #2,166
  • Edited 7:14am Jan 16, 2016 7:13am | Edited 7:14am
Is this some mistake on my chart or that was gap up late last night?
Thanks
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  • #2,167
  • Jan 16, 2016 9:23am Jan 16, 2016 9:23am
Dosent show on mine.
  • #2,168
  • Jan 16, 2016 6:08pm Jan 16, 2016 6:08pm
anyone expecting oil prices to gap down on open on Sunday night due to the Iran Sanction being lifted?
  • #2,169
  • Jan 16, 2016 6:40pm Jan 16, 2016 6:40pm
Quoting dcavar
Is this some mistake on my chart or that was gap up late last night? Thanks {image}
Jan. 20 is "last-trading-day" for feb. futures so your CFD broker is rolling to mar. futures.
Anyone holding a position will have funds added/reduced from their account to allow for the change in price.

***The contango in the futures is a good showing of the bearishness in the market.
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  • #2,170
  • Jan 16, 2016 9:22pm Jan 16, 2016 9:22pm
Quoting kweiss10
anyone expecting oil prices to gap down on open on Sunday night due to the Iran Sanction being lifted?
thats a good question, since they will be able to supply the market with more oil, i think its possible, but i dont see irans oil entering other countries that quickly.
Trade like a sniper not a machine gun
  • #2,171
  • Jan 17, 2016 1:05am Jan 17, 2016 1:05am
Quoting Iglootrader
{quote} thats a good question, since they will be able to supply the market with more oil, i think its possible, but i dont see irans oil entering other countries that quickly.
I did some thinking and think the Iranian oil entering other countries a bit later is the "fact" that will come later and in actual oil reports.

The issue at hand here is the market sentiment. Markets are run by humans and humans can get OVER-scared thus making markets irrational just like a human can be.

Before people realize what the damage the Iranian oil will actually do or not do, it will be too late for some because their accounts will be long burnt.

Hence the birth of "buy the rumor, sell the fact"
  • #2,172
  • Jan 17, 2016 4:37am Jan 17, 2016 4:37am
Quoting kweiss10
{quote} I did some thinking and think the Iranian oil entering other countries a bit later is the "fact" that will come later and in actual oil reports. The issue at hand here is the market sentiment. Markets are run by humans and humans can get OVER-scared thus making markets irrational just like a human can be. Before people realize what the damage the Iranian oil will actually do or not do, it will be too late for some because their accounts will be long burnt. Hence the birth of "buy the rumor, sell the fact"
A SHIT load more of oil to hit the market soon. Add that to the current glut we have and I see further down side.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/16/inve...ions-lift-oil/
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fun...ion-2016-01-15
  • #2,173
  • Jan 17, 2016 4:45am Jan 17, 2016 4:45am
Options expire on Monday or Tuesday if I am not mistaken. Might get a surprise move one way or the other as the last day is Monday or Tuesday. I would wait till new options open before opening any new positions on oil. US is closed on Monday I believe as well.
  • #2,174
  • Jan 17, 2016 6:54am Jan 17, 2016 6:54am
Quoting stylinex
{quote} A SHIT load more of oil to hit the market soon. Add that to the current glut we have and I see further down side. http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/16/inve...ions-lift-oil/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fun...ion-2016-01-15
That MarketWatch article was very interesting. Inadvertently I may have been right....
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #2,175
  • Jan 17, 2016 11:18am Jan 17, 2016 11:18am
Quoting kweiss10
{quote} I did some thinking and think the Iranian oil entering other countries a bit later is the "fact" that will come later and in actual oil reports. The issue at hand here is the market sentiment. Markets are run by humans and humans can get OVER-scared thus making markets irrational just like a human can be. Before people realize what the damage the Iranian oil will actually do or not do, it will be too late for some because their accounts will be long burnt. Hence the birth of "buy the rumor, sell the fact"

yes i strongly agree with that, no, there probably wont be an extra 500k barrels of oil on monday, but as you said everyone knows there will be eventually , or at least now that is a possibility. so it will be interesting to see how sharp this sell off is.

as much as i dont like it for our (canadian) economy, i am liking the effect it is having on my long USD position
Trade like a sniper not a machine gun
  • #2,176
  • Jan 17, 2016 12:54pm Jan 17, 2016 12:54pm
German news are reporting that middle eastern stock markets fell as much as 5,44% due to this news. Oil security papers (if properly translaterd) even fell 5,13%. The Kuwait index fell 5000 points, the lowest in 12 years.

I am interested in tonight's market open.
  • #2,177
  • Jan 17, 2016 5:15pm Jan 17, 2016 5:15pm
...was that a $1 gap-down?
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #2,178
  • Jan 17, 2016 5:22pm Jan 17, 2016 5:22pm
Quoting Exodus
...was that a $1 gap-down?
yes opened lower....this could be reason

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...t-happened-oil
Wooooohooooo or Boooooohooooo
  • #2,179
  • Jan 17, 2016 5:23pm Jan 17, 2016 5:23pm
It's the end of the world as we know it.
  • #2,180
  • Jan 20, 2016 11:41am Jan 20, 2016 11:41am
any ideas for ngas?
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