Grid & Martingale Expanded

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Starting grid size 10 pip
Starting Lot size 0.1
Starting TP 10$

Distance Lot TP
0 /0.1 /10$
10 /0.1 /10$
25/ 0.15 /15$ (starting 3rd level it is basket profit)
47 /0.22 /22$
70 /0.33 /33$
105 /0.49 /49$
157 /0.75 /75$
228 /1.08 /108$
344 /1.54 /154$
516 /2.31 /231$
774 /3.45 /345$

774 pip grid with 11 trades, 10.52 lots in total.


Starting grid size 20 pip
Starting lot size 0.1

Distance Lot Tp $
0 /0.1/ 20$
20 /0.1 /20$
55/ 0.15 /30$
82 /0.22 /44$
123 /0.33/ 66$
184/ 0.49/ 98$
276/ 0.75/ 150$
414 /1.08 /216$
621/ 1.54 /308$
932 /2.31/ 462$
1398/ 3.45 /690$



IF you are 20 years old and want to have a pension later, set 100 pip as starting grid and come back in 40 years.


Feel free to comment and if someone has a formula to calculate the sl please.

Although I am sceptical about all Martingale strategies, the above BIDIRECTIONAL concept sounds interesting and deserves to be explored and backtested by an EA for the "worst case scenario". Once the "worst case scenario" is known, then parameters could be fine tuned to withstand an even worse case scenario.

One "worst case scenario" could be a major floating loss - lasting even for years - but as stated above, it would probably work out within 30-40 years for a good profit.

What I don't understand why the strategy needs a Stop Loss... When basket TP is reached then ALL OPEN positions are closed at once (some in profit, some in loss).
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One way to avoid potential multi-year floating losses might be using a "SuperBasket TP" function: Once the total sum of the - already "pocketed" - accumulated profits (created by "trend direction" trades) exceed the total of the floating losses (created by the "countertrend" trades) and trigger SuperBasket TP, then ALL trades are closed and the strategy could reset itself.

I'm gridding live account for quite sometime. using small grid gap is good only when market is ranging. if u get a spike up/down in one direction, it will kill u faster than u know it. A SAFER GRID would be bigger gap. I guess a lot grid fail because of the grid gap and lot size..

Good morning everyone.

@Master guru
After a point, the 1st orders will close negative while the basked is closing on profit. If closed early for a -150 pip it will be 150x lot size of 1st order and retracement for the whole basket will be smaller to reach tp. It has to also calculate how many orders were closed and cover that in the tp to have a perfect system but until we find the math formula, it will work with them being open for the duration of the basket also.

@Holy , you are right.
The lot size for start, increment of lot size and grid size are important and this is where most grids fail.. unable to continue opening due to too many orders or not enough margin to open next trade.

By applying martingale to both lot size and grid size we expand the grid to a possible infinite trading where a pair could move in one direction for long period without coming back for months and still have profit with the system.

Because it is based on multiple orders, the Tp $ is also adjusted as shown in the above examples.. For one order my risk is small so a tp small is ok but as we open more orders, we pay more spread and risk is increased therefore we want a bit more profit also for the risk we took.
i'll write in a few minutes another example of a large move like the eur/usd drop from 1.32 to 1.04 using modified martingale.

I would suggest starting capital of $5000 with at least 1:500 leverage, and not to open more than 5 trade.

Grid and lot multiplier of 1.2
starting grid 20 pip


Distance lot tp$

0/ 0.1/ 20$
20/ 0.1 / 20$
44/ 0.12/ 24$
73/ 0.14/ 28$
108/ 0.17/ 34$
150/ 0.20/ 40$
200/ 0.24/ 48$
260/ 0.29/ 58$
332/ 0.35/ 70$
418/ 0.42/ 84$
521/ 0.50/ 100$
644/ 0.60/ 120$
792/ 0.72/ 144$
970/ 0.86/ 172$
1184/ 1.03/ 206$

Double edge sword where by using a smaller multiplier we enter with smaller lot size orders but the grid is also multiplied by 1.2 which makes us open more orders.
Could this 1.2 work ?
Sure and here is how to make it work while using a smaller multiplier.

This time we keep the 1.2 for grid and lot size but our starting grid is 50 pip

Dist Lot TP
0/ 0.1/ 50$
50/ 0.1/ 50$
110/ 0.12/ 60$
182/ 0.14/ 70$
268/ 0.17/ 85$
354/ 0.20/ 100$
457/ 0.24/ 120$
580/ 0.29/ 145$
728/ 0.35/ 175$
So on...

Notice how on starting grid 20 we have lot size 0.35 at 332 pip from starting position and using 50pip grid we have at 728 pip from starting position..
This means less trades but account size must also be bigger since we may hold positions for longer period and accumulate DD.

Next example will show something that i would consider taking on my account with grid and lot size for more pairs to trade at the same time.

Everything is about testing and seeing which set file works best so.. if any coders out there could make an expert based on this concept, it would help.
Thank you

Methods like that is fastest way to great profits and great looses , be careful now way from reaching to double edge sword

The problem with Martingale that you don't get any edge using it but lose time. If we talk about trading from the pure point of stake management better to shoot with high volume bets where you get good reward or lose it all.
Just my two cents.

After donating to my broker i'm left with about 4.000 in my account.
Don't be greedy and make donations to your broker lol.

5-10 pairs at the same time
starting grid... as explained in 1st post a 1/3 of a daily adr calculated for a period of 12 months for each pair therefore the grid size for each pair will not be the same since some move 80pip a day and others 250pip.

Pair... Gbp/Usd range adr 100 (my starting range would be 33 but for the sake of explaining it more easy i will use 30) multiplier 1.5

Distance Lot tp$
0 0.02 3$
30 0.02 3$
75 0.03 4.5$
142 0.05 7.5$ (imperfect lot size due to starting with small order and would normal be 0.045 which not accepted by broker unless cent account)
242 0.07 11$ (same as above)
393 0.11 16.5$
620 0.17 25.5$
960 0.25 37.5$
1470 0.37 55.5$

At 1500 pip (I've not seen 1500 pip without retrace except black swan where you're not safe anyhow, i am invested 1.09 lots)
Don't forget that in this theoretical move in a single direction with pullbacks not big enough to close my basket, i have had the opposite ones making profit such as if this was a long example, the short ones made profit after profit and how much profit those made can only be seen in forward testing.

Hi Matraguna
With your modified grid system are you saying that you only need a retracement of one level to make a profit
In other words if in your previous example if the 620 pips was triggered at 0.17 lots and you had a retracement
back to the 393 pips level you would close all your trades with a profit of 25.5 dollars
I have a grid system AE which I bought although you could set up levels and the the lot sizes it would have to be
closed manually as there is no way of closing down the grid automatically when a set dollar value is met

Have a look at the attachments.
It is basket trading and closing basket if profit of x $ reached.
Also from 620 / 0.17 lot the retracement does not have to be at 393 but just enough to have basket profit of 25.5$ and since last order is bigger in lot size, the retracement should be smaller than that distance.

what is your target profit return monthly?

good thread, keep going.

Good morning everyone.

@Holy
Depends on multiple factors on what the return will be from a month to another.
1.How many pairs you are trading.
2.How much did each pair move for that month.
3.Risk taken on each pair and here i mean starting grid and starting lot size.
What we know is that market is in trend about 20% of the time and this system is making money more when market is moving sideways but does no fail like other grids when there is a trend.

Grids tend to make money whenever the market is moving sideway and get stopped out when market is trending...
By following this concept, it will make money when market is doing both.

Well u got it right..

Hi Matraguna
Why don't you open up a trade explorer using one of the strategies Doesn't have to be live use demo
This will explain the system and generate a lot of interest

I thought at that but the system requires 24/5 trading... If i start in morning, by evening i may have 2-3 baskets closed but the system needs to continue or the results won't be close to reality.
If someone there can make an EA, i will put a cent account for testing and attach it here...
Cent because it is in development and real/not demo because in demo you don't get slippage or requotes. In my opinion all tests should be run on a live account and since we can take advantage of cent accounts.. why not

Any coder there can message if more details needed to write this.

i'll give 7 days before making this EA on mql5 website and than move this the comercial forums since no interess is shown here.

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I think that will be your best bet, all the best.