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  • #81
  • Oct 23, 2015 11:58am Oct 23, 2015 11:58am
Quoting Magix
Well... Looks like a damn nice close for Guppy on the week and even better on the unfiltered version. The Force Close at Loss is working proper and with application on WWGD conclusively confirms this point.
Nice. But it would be even nicer if you show us the backtest results.
Back one year ago I have lost 1 thousand euros with DeadCat on Fire experiment... I really like your ideas about donating money and so on.
But it would be even nicer if we had some idea about how much risk does your EA's strategy carry.

After the 1k ruin I have learned my lesson, and never invested in Grid or Martingale again.
And I am still reluctant to believe that any Grid system might be safe in the long run.
  • #82
  • Oct 23, 2015 12:31pm Oct 23, 2015 12:31pm
Quoting pedrosimao
{quote} Nice. But it would be even nicer if you show us the backtest results. Back one year ago I have lost 1 thousand euros with DeadCat on Fire experiment... I really like your ideas about donating money and so on. But it would be even nicer if we had some idea about how much risk does your EA's strategy carry. After the 1k ruin I have learned my lesson, and never invested in Grid or Martingale again. And I am still reluctant to believe that any Grid system might be safe in the long run.
I will not sully my thread with Backtest Bullshit.
There is no practicality to backtest reports as they have never proven to be accurate. The Strategy Tester has 1 function, that is to verify the trade logic for entries and exits.

DeadCat and Guppy are 2 very different creations in that the DeadCat was an add in increments counter trend trade system designed around a primary spike. This logic was only created to trade until profit or trade to the death. Guppy has been designed as a fixed lot, trend trading EA, with 4 sets of closing logic, one of which being a Static Stop loss for equity protection.

Comparing the 2, is night and day for market.
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  • #83
  • Oct 23, 2015 12:39pm Oct 23, 2015 12:39pm
I am not comparing. I am just saying I don't trust grid EAs.
Anyways, backtest can pretty much show if EAs can blow up accounts.

Backtests have proven to work for me many times.
I am not talking about curve fitting here, this is another topic, but I am saying many EAs backtests actually behave pretty much similar to real market.
I think 3 weeks forward test is much more of a bullshit than a good old 1-year / 2-years period backtest.
  • #84
  • Oct 23, 2015 12:57pm Oct 23, 2015 12:57pm
Quoting pedrosimao
I am not comparing. I am just saying I don't trust grid EAs. Anyways, backtest can pretty much show if EAs can blow up accounts. Backtests have proven to work for me many times. I am not talking about curve fitting here, this is another topic, but I am saying many EAs backtests actually behave pretty much similar to real market. I think 3 weeks forward test is much more of a bullshit than a good old 1-year / 2-years period backtest.
Feel free to restrict your accounts to working with EAs that have a backtest report.

You will not find that here.

IF there was any accuracy to Backtests, there would be no single person taking live trades today. Backtests are bullshit.

Show me any single month of live trades with an EA that closely resemble the exact period of performance on a backtest. You will find the proof there.
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  • #85
  • Oct 23, 2015 1:08pm Oct 23, 2015 1:08pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Feel free to restrict your accounts to working with EAs that have a backtest report. You will not find that here. IF there was any accuracy to Backtests, there would be no single person taking live trades today. Backtests are bullshit. Show me any single month of live trades with an EA that closely resemble the exact period of performance on a backtest. You will find the proof there.
Well, I can show you that... I have more than one EA that goes positive on forward test, when backtest is positive. And most negative on forward test when backtest is negative.
Obviously results are never exactly the same, but there is a degree of credibility.

Anyway, data is gold nowadays. Not by accident one of the most searched and well paid careers nowadays is the one of "data scientist". Get a good data (a trustworthy tick data source) and a good testing tool (I agree that Strategy Tester is not the best one, but it has some degree of correctness ), and one can make wonders in forex.

I can also show you backtests of grid systems or martingale systems that will fail exactly like predict the backtest.
And generally speaking, the forward test profit/balance charts normally resemble pretty much the backtests.
If you don't want to disclose your backtest results, its no problem, but I am not jumping into donating right away. I would need some few months of forward live action (at least) to be sure I can risk another 1k euros like I did before.

Anyways, till now I have lost more or less 6k in Forex. 4k was because of grid and martingale system. 2k it was because of lack of experience administrating lot sizes when I first started. So, why would I try another grid again? I do believe you when you say this is not a traditional grid, and it does take losses.... but really 4 weeks is not enough to forward test a grid system.
  • #86
  • Oct 23, 2015 1:36pm Oct 23, 2015 1:36pm
Quoting pedrosimao
{quote} Well, I can show you that... I have more than one EA that goes positive on forward test, when backtest is positive. And most negative on forward test when backtest is negative. Obviously results are never exactly the same, but there is a degree of credibility. Anyway, data is gold nowadays. Not by accident one of the most searched and well paid careers nowadays is the one of "data scientist". Get a good data (a trustworthy tick data source) and a good testing tool (I agree that Strategy Tester is not the best one, but it has some degree...
Honestly Pedro,

I've been down this road before only to prove the exact same thing. It makes no difference where the data is from, nor the period nor the length of time nor the time frame traded. Backtest data is 100% un-reliable.

That degree of credibility is completely worthless in application and this I found out the hard way, much in the same way you have.

I'd put down dollars to donuts saying that you haven't loaded the demo account provided and even if you have, haven't bothered to analyze a single fucking trade taken this week, but yet are going to chime in on your sad losses, history of fail and ideas based on testing methodology which has consistently proven to be inaccurate.

Seriously dude, if you have backtested your way into a winner, why are you here?
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  • #87
  • Oct 23, 2015 1:41pm Oct 23, 2015 1:41pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Seriously dude, if you have backtested your way into a winner, why are you here?
Well, to be sincere. I am curious to see if you are going to fail again, or if you are becoming more wise in your assumptions.
I didn't loss my money because of backtest, but mainly because of lack of them.
I actually do have some winning systems I am currently using (and they do backtest correctly)... but I am always searching for new ideas and system, as I believe in investment diversification.

Please, disclose backtest.
Thanks
  • #88
  • Oct 23, 2015 1:45pm Oct 23, 2015 1:45pm
Anyway, I am not copying your trades into my account.
There is no reason for doing so, if I can follow your trades through ForexFactory stats.
Finally, it is not possible for me to comment your trades, if I don't understand the logics behind it.
it is pretty much commenting about life outside the planet. Something I have no idea about.
  • #89
  • Oct 23, 2015 1:51pm Oct 23, 2015 1:51pm
Quoting pedrosimao
Please, disclose backtest.
It's not a matter of disclosure pedro...I don't run them for any length of time past what is required to verify logic of triggering and exiting.

The information isn't being provided because I don't have it, not because I have something to hide.

I will not waste my time to appease you.
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  • #90
  • Oct 23, 2015 2:19pm Oct 23, 2015 2:19pm
Quoting pedrosimao
There is no reason for doing so, if I can follow your trades through ForexFactory stats. Finally, it is not possible for me to comment your trades, if I don't understand the logics behind it. it is pretty much commenting about life outside the planet. Something I have no idea about.
Wait, whut?

I have opened up the live trader for very specific reasons and that is to share the perspective. Not taking advantage of this, is more to your detriment than following the advice of a backtest.

I feel sorry for you, if you think following the trades in a TE will lend itself to anything other than your continued ignorance.
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  • #91
  • Oct 23, 2015 2:27pm Oct 23, 2015 2:27pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Wait, whut? I have opened up the live trader for very specific reasons and that is to share the perspective. Not taking advantage of this, is more to your detriment than following the advice of a backtest. I feel sorry for you, if you think following the trades in a TE will lend itself to anything other than your continued ignorance.
Well, if it depends on you, we will all be in the ignorance. No backtest = ignorance.
You are clearly ignoring the world of data analysis/science, in which all professional trading systems are based on.
I you are note happy with Metatrader Strategy tester you have the right to recode your EAs in C and backtest them in Ninjatrader, cTrader, Pathfinder Trader, Multicharts, or any other trading software you think it's more trustworthy than Metaquote's baby.
  • #92
  • Oct 23, 2015 2:31pm Oct 23, 2015 2:31pm
I suggest you use your winning systems to make back the 4-6k you have lost.
  • #93
  • Edited 4:02pm Oct 23, 2015 3:42pm | Edited 4:02pm
Quoting pedrosimao
{quote} Well, if it depends on you, we will all be in the ignorance. No backtest = ignorance. You are clearly ignoring the world of data analysis/science, in which all professional trading systems are based on. I you are note happy with Metatrader Strategy tester you have the right to recode your EAs in C and backtest them in Ninjatrader, cTrader, Pathfinder Trader, Multicharts, or any other trading software you think it's more trustworthy than Metaquote's baby.

Go to Any thread in Any Forex Forum and look up EAs that trade on the M1 chart.
The same conversation is exchanged ad-nauseam.
Post 1 - A backtest Report.
Post 2 - somebody says that it has to be 90% quality or it is bullshit.
Post 3 - the next person says that 90% quality is impossible on an M1 EA.

This goes on and on and on...to the point that, it doesn't matter. You will always be ignorant of methodology without understanding the concept of the trade system being used.

And as for the rest, I don't have to re-code, not in any other language nor for any other trader.

I use the Strategy Tester as was designed and not only does it verify that the logic being used as was intended, I have confirmed this with Live Testing.

My specific request for bill was for him to attempt a minimum of understanding prior to future posts...as I don't actually believe this is possible for you, maybe you could restrict yourself to conversations about the color and consistency of your last stool sample as it has as much relevance to what I have produced as have any of your previous posts.
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  • #94
  • Oct 23, 2015 4:13pm Oct 23, 2015 4:13pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} My specific request for bill was for him to attempt a minimum of understanding prior to future posts...as I don't actually believe this is possible for you, maybe you could restrict yourself to conversations to the color and consistency of your last stool sample as it has as much relevance to what I have produced as have any of your previous posts.
We are all tired of your arrogance, and lack of respect. You seem like a 60 year old man, who still talks like an adolescent and love to troll anyone who doesn't lick your ass. If you are so altruist, helping charities and so on, you could start by not wiping off accounts of people who participate in your forum and are contributing for your projects.
It was not a favor you did me, when 1k of my account was blown up in just two days of trading with your system.
So, please, stop playing with others people real money. But forgetting about this event, for which I forgive you. I never paid you to be my money manager, and I also don't believe in Karma... so lets forget about it and talk about something that really matters:

Metatrader is not a professional tool trader. It was mainly created to help bucket shop brokers to steal money from small investor. And also you don't want to learn new languages, because you are an amateur coder, and not a professional coder. It would take you too long, so... better not trying.

Furthermore, all those forums you are talking about are all discussing about Metatrader Strategy Tester. Dukascopy data. And so on. Ad-nausea.
Magix, if you really want to make money on Forex, and if you really want to help charity, start thinking out of the box. Go for other softwares, other platforms, other data.... and you will see that actually historical data is the only and best tool you have to make trading different from gambling.

I sincerely hope your system does well... but I can't help but being skeptical.
Anyway, you should be thankful that I brought you my critical thoughts, because they are the same I use to myself, and it is really helping me to build profitable system.
  • #95
  • Oct 23, 2015 4:31pm Oct 23, 2015 4:31pm
Quoting pedrosimao
{quote} We are all tired of your arrogance, and lack of respect. You seem like a 60 year old man, who still talks like an adolescent and love to troll anyone who doesn't lick your ass. If you are so altruist, helping charities and so on, you could start by not wiping off accounts of people who participate in your forum and are contributing for your projects. It was not a favor you did me, when 1k of my account was blown up in just two days of trading with your system. So, please, stop playing with others people real money. But forgetting about this...
We?

As in, you are sitting with a frog in your pocket?
or
As in you and billv?

You never asked a question, you posted demands.
You haven't taken 10 seconds to learn the methodology, so you can't comment on the validity.
And you think you can base the success of any system off of a backtest report?

This isn't about me. Nor Altruism.

Get your head out of your ass.

Quoting pedrosimao
, but I am not jumping into donating right away. I would need some few months of forward live action (at least) to be sure I can risk another 1k euros like I did before.
You didn't come here to be pals, because we ain't.
You didn't come here for the charity, because until you see what you want, you ain't pushing the greens.
You don't want me playing with other peoples money, but want others to do the same for you.

Go fuck off!

If you think anybody is here for the good of humanity, let's see the list of donations...hasn't been one!
If you think anybody came here to learn, where are all the inquisitive questions?

If you could do what I do, you would do what I do.

I've done enough of this shit for free for unappreciative assholes like yourself. Won't take 10 seconds to invest in their own success, but want to lap off the nuts of others.

Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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  • #96
  • Oct 23, 2015 4:36pm Oct 23, 2015 4:36pm
Yeah...

Just found this out adding Pedro to ignore list...

Just to prove what basing forward logic on backtests are worth.

3 weeks isn't enough to show him anything, but then again, neither is 46 days in the shitter!

It's always the ones who need the help the most, that fight the hardest against all reason and logic.
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  • #97
  • Oct 23, 2015 4:55pm Oct 23, 2015 4:55pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} As in you and billv?
Magix
Get some counseling...
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...t/art-20045434
Have a nice day
  • #98
  • Oct 23, 2015 7:05pm Oct 23, 2015 7:05pm
Quoting billv
{quote} Magix Get some counseling... http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...t/art-20045434
Bill, have you seriously hung out at FF to become a forum troll?
And a piss poor troll at that, if I might add...

Why is it that you think I need counselling, bill?
Because I'm not all sunshine and smiles?
Because I don't kiss a lot of ass?
Is that it bill?

Lemme ask ya something...how'd you make out on the week? Or, do you even trade?

Next question, what is the real reason you came back for another visit?

If I was to speculate, it would be to wait for the Guppy to shit the proverbial sheets so you could chime in with all of your half-assed trolling efforts...but ya can't do that, can ya bill...you can't actually show a track record of anything Forex related, can you?

You are just another sad sheep following the herd. Pathetic, really...

Bill, let me tell ya a little about me.
I don't do a lot of ass kissing because I don't need to.
I've got a forum of my own with some 700 friends and that excludes padros ass, who I just layed boot to...I've got months of PMs here and there, questions in threads and scads of emails that I don't answer, already...do you think it's the kinship that I am seeking?

What about the charity, you ask?
Would people be more inclined to dump a couple bucks into a charity if I was a nicer person?
OR
Will people donate to the charity because that is the method of payment that I chose?

Ya see, bill...I leave the ass kissing to other people who are hocking their wares because they genuinely need to. Stroll through the rest of the commercial threads and look for the performance there. Tell me whatcha find. These are the people who need to kiss ass to get subscribers to their services or money management.

I don't.

I can show performance that is very respectable and given a quick comparison to what else is available, should actually be very intriguing to a lot of others who haven't found their way in market; those who have lost a few bucks that want to gain it back; those that want to gain a footing or understanding of market but can only do it in a limited time frame.

I can do this, bill.

But here's the thing, bill...I don't need/want anybody to hand over their hard earned cash to me...I was once that same lost sheep and was guided by some pretty good people, and in this, I feel the need to pay back to this and other communities as others have been able to provide for me.

So, why the charity?

Well, bill...it's like this.
IF I post an EA, and I have...several of them...people download them, and run them through backtesters and never gain a sense of the work that went into them, never gain a sense of the idea of the logic and will either lose their shorts, make a few bucks and move on, or simply dump it because they believe their is a better holy grail out there for them.

Do you get what I am saying?

There is no Value assigned to FREE!

Because, typically in free, there is no value.

Well bill, someplace between the ass kissing commercial members and the free hucksters of the Forex community, is where you will find my shit. I don't do open code anymore, because I've had my code "borrowed" and sold...all while I was giving it away. Some were aspiring enough to sell what they found, but never took the time to educate or inform others of what they found, because they simply assigned a profitable point to it and threw it to the masses.

Now, this doesn't bother me in so much as others have been forced to pay a fairly decent dollar for something that they could never gain an understanding of. Never get instructions on. Never really be able to see the same successes with.

It really takes away from my spirit of giving back to the community, bill.

So, I do these charity runs. And in past, have done very well in having folk sign up for and get educated on a few trade methodologies that I was able to put together. I opened the gates up and supported logic that I created so that others could benefit.
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  • #99
  • Oct 23, 2015 7:15pm Oct 23, 2015 7:15pm
But here's the thing, bill...

I've let people decide on the charities they donate to, ya know, to keep it local.
I've even opened up the donations to help support another member of the FF community in a time of need.

And ya know what, bill...

I'm not that happy with charities.

For one thing, people choose to give money to charities around Animals...save the whales, the SPCA, animal shelters, PETA...

IMO - and sit back for this one, bill...I think these are bullshit!

There are PEOPLE that need our help. People who have lost their way. People that could use that helping hand.

When I see this need, I can't help but not give a flying fuck about abused dogs and cats, and can't help thinking about those in need.

But it gets worse!!

Yeah, I said it.

WORSE!!
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  • #100
  • Oct 23, 2015 7:22pm Oct 23, 2015 7:22pm
bill, go do some research on charities.

Have a looksie at the financials of these companies and see what gets donated and what actually reaches the intended recipient.

You'd be fucking SHOCKED!


I was.

I mean, I always wondered why Sally Struthers kept getting fatter when she was really giving her all...but not to the lengths that I've seen.

In some of these charities, less than 1% makes it back!
And the number of auditors to charity are grossly lacking, because really, where does the government spend their money?
Supporting bullshit.

Bill, you are a Canadian as it says in your profile, for fuck sakes...

We just elected the Prime Minister of Canada based on him having the best fucking hair!!!

I digress...

So...I don't want/need the money.
I think people should invest in their futures and not take free shit for granted...

I picked the charity where I felt reached out the best!

I'm not a member of the Church, have already stated that.
Will never go on one of their missions.
Will most likely never meet another one of these people, either that go or that receive this gift...

BUT

I love what it means.

It's like what I do...I help people so that some day others can hopefully pass on this same gift.

My credo...
A Candle used to light another, loses nothing!

Bill...I am trying to be a part of the changes, I would like to see.
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