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  • #241
  • Edited Oct 4, 2015 11:57am Oct 3, 2015 2:16pm | Edited Oct 4, 2015 11:57am
Quoting artem_t
Quoting She1
{quote} Hello, She1! You don't have to prevent drawdowns. If you are talking about the trading idea from my picture (post 202), all you have to do are: 1. Find the best parameters of TP, recovery zone and TP for recovery trades. 2. Find the optimal maxumum number of recovery trades after wich all trades will be closed for a loss (to avoid "Black swan"). In my opinion, the goal is to avoid stop out and not a drawdowns. But, meanwhile, the parameters should allow the account to grow, using compounding with relatively small and
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i used your strategy once manually, and happily it worked!
if we open and close trades without using stop/SL/TP orders, slippages can hurt us less. then we close all our trades by evaluating our total profit (if we only trade 1 pair at the time), better to have an EA that we set 'tp in money' for it and it closes all trades for us when profit is reached. what do you think?

and how much capital do you suggest for starting from 0.01 Lot?
  • #242
  • Oct 5, 2015 9:25am Oct 5, 2015 9:25am
This EA existed before you even got to know what Forex is ... there is nothing new in your idea, and yes it works if you have a lot of money to put in, because there is no perfect recovery zone, you just need the gap to be wide enough to avoid entering again and again and again and again due to a swing in a ranging period.

I've been there before you I can tell you many other mathematical/grid strategies work better with less capital.
Anyway go for it She1, try it and if you like it, risk burning your account.
I've got some optimized sets for main currencies somewhere on my HDD; if you can't optimized the tunnel yourself ask me.

Edo
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  • #243
  • Edited Oct 6, 2015 2:26am Oct 5, 2015 10:11am | Edited Oct 6, 2015 2:26am
Quoting Edorenta
This EA existed before you even got to know what Forex is ... there is nothing new in your idea, and yes it works if you have a lot of money to put in, because there is no perfect recovery zone, you just need the gap to be wide enough to avoid entering again and again and again and again due to a swing in a ranging period. I've been there before you I can tell you many other mathematical/grid strategies work better with less capital. Anyway go for it She1, try it and if you like it, risk burning your account. I've got some optimized sets for...
Well thank you very much Edorenta, and Yes, i would like to have your set files please
  • #244
  • Oct 5, 2015 10:41am Oct 5, 2015 10:41am
Quoting She1
{quote}{quote} {image} i used your strategy once manually, and happily it worked! if we open and close trades without using stop/SL/TP orders, slippages can hurt us less. then we close all our trades by evaluating our total profit (if we only trade 1 pair at the time), better to have an EA that we set 'tp in money' for it and it closes all trades for us when profit is reached. what do you think? and how much capital do you suggest for starting from 0.01 Lot?
Hello, She1!

Answered in PM and also want to say that Edorenta is right - it's risky and there are better ways to compound an account.

I think I should mention this one more time - I made that picture just to illustrate the idea. It's not a strategy and the parameters have to be found personally.

Cheers,
Artem
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  • #245
  • Oct 14, 2015 2:40am Oct 14, 2015 2:40am
i feel safer now using plus method instead off using multiply method and hedge a bit.
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  • #246
  • Oct 16, 2015 2:06pm Oct 16, 2015 2:06pm
Does any body know what strategy Ilan_trio_V147 uses?
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4750% profit in a month, starting from 0.01 Lot!
  • #247
  • Oct 17, 2015 8:35am Oct 17, 2015 8:35am
Hi guys, martingal works by combination, if you start using it as a backup plan that's when it should help you, for that you need a primary strategy in order to identify market direction, place a trade, and use martingal if the first trade goes bad. I believe this thread uses a similar strategy but it I can't figure out what's the difference in parameters??
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=451513
  • #248
  • Oct 20, 2015 4:38am Oct 20, 2015 4:38am
Hi all,

I've only read the first and last pages so I may be repeating some existing content. I've had some good success with the stop and reverse martingale approach. I'm about to go live with the robot which has the attached 4 year backtest. I've setup a managed martingale approach which doesn't mean you have to risk everything to make a small profit. The approach I've taken means that profit increases exponentially with risk over the long term. I'm prepared to lose 50% of my account to maximise the profit potential.

As other posts have mentioned martingale is a money management technique, its not a trading strategy in itself. I could use 2 methods to manage the 50% drawdown risk I choose to set.
1. Only trading 50% of my account using the robot. This way if it has a bad patch and repeated maximum drawdowns I can start again with half my account.
2. Regularly taking profit. For example, if the account is up 50%, taking half of this profit out (25%) makes sense so I can't lose it.

In reality I'm pretty slack with both of these risk approaches and used all of my account then waited for 100% profit before taking out all of my original capital. Greed and fear! Very poor money management.

The point is that martingale can be a useful money management technique that can enhance profits if used wisely.

The attached backtest ran from July 2011 until last Friday (4+ years). You can see some of the 50% drawdowns, and on the chart, with a max drawdown of 68%, but it still finished with a profit of $900k from starting capital of $10k. For many the risk is too high, for me, if I use the risk management techniques above, its OK.

Much of the profit comes from compounding returns and letting profits run up to 50% of the account balance. The small up swing on the chart about half way through is a 50% profit on the account. Nice to have the opportunity to make 50% as well as lose it.

Martingale is an important part of this trading strategy, but isn't everything.

I hope this is helpful,
Drew
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  • #249
  • Oct 20, 2015 2:40pm Oct 20, 2015 2:40pm
Quoting DrewInBrissi
Hi all, I've only read the first and last pages so I may be repeating some existing content. I've had some good success with the stop and reverse martingale approach. I'm about to go live with the robot which has the attached 4 year backtest. I've setup a managed martingale approach which doesn't mean you have to risk everything to make a small profit. The approach I've taken means that profit increases exponentially with risk over the long term. I'm prepared to lose 50% of my account to maximise the profit potential. As other posts have mentioned...
thanks Drew. what EA you're using? can you share it? and how many percent is it's monthly ROI?
  • #250
  • Edited 3:37pm Oct 20, 2015 2:50pm | Edited 3:37pm
here is Ilan_trio, some users were asking me to share. the EA is awesome! please share if you found good settings. it may be need a lot of capital for trading 0.01 Lot, but fortunately we can also use a cent account
  • #251
  • Nov 15, 2015 8:40am Nov 15, 2015 8:40am
Quoting She1
{quote} But Forex Market is just a son of a bitch, you buy it goes short, you sell it goes long, you buy again it goes short more! only martingale can fight with such a M.F...
Nice one there. With you.
  • #252
  • Dec 1, 2015 8:02am Dec 1, 2015 8:02am
Quoting fffx
{quote} Nice one there. With you.
Thanks. recently i have been reading a psychological book, and i think i can deal with that things better now
  • #253
  • Dec 3, 2015 3:59pm Dec 3, 2015 3:59pm
Quoting Edorenta
This EA existed before you even got to know what Forex is ... there is nothing new in your idea, and yes it works if you have a lot of money to put in, because there is no perfect recovery zone, you just need the gap to be wide enough to avoid entering again and again and again and again due to a swing in a ranging period. I've been there before you I can tell you many other mathematical/grid strategies work better with less capital. Anyway go for it She1, try it and if you like it, risk burning your account. I've got some optimized sets for...

Hello she1,

I watched this strategy, and study it, i think it miss one leg, when price goes up at the end :
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  • #254
  • Dec 3, 2015 4:06pm Dec 3, 2015 4:06pm
Quoting machine25
{quote} Hello she1, I watched this strategy, and study it, i think it miss one leg, when price goes up at the end : {image}
you're right. but i believe the strategy is so risky and not so profitable, as the author says, it used for making trades break even.
  • #255
  • Dec 27, 2015 10:10am Dec 27, 2015 10:10am
Hello, how about martingale limit for a series of orders on time, we can avoid the loss, limit only 2 hours
  • #256
  • Dec 27, 2015 3:49pm Dec 27, 2015 3:49pm
I use martiangle when London market has closed (Or during Asia/Oceania time) until London market re-opens with pip steps 100-150 and SL 20% of equity.
I avoid Euro and US session.
  • #257
  • Aug 11, 2016 4:01pm Aug 11, 2016 4:01pm
Quoting Edorenta
This EA existed before you even got to know what Forex is ... there is nothing new in your idea, and yes it works if you have a lot of money to put in, because there is no perfect recovery zone, you just need the gap to be wide enough to avoid entering again and again and again and again due to a swing in a ranging period. I've been there before you I can tell you many other mathematical/grid strategies work better with less capital. Anyway go for it She1, try it and if you like it, risk burning your account. I've got some optimized sets for...
can i take 3000usd settings for tunnelmartin please?
  • #258
  • Sep 22, 2016 3:44pm Sep 22, 2016 3:44pm
Quoting She1
Hello dear friends Martingale EAs and using a martingale strategy manually Either is extremely profitable, but as all we know it can blow the account, sooner or later. i made this topic to Share ideas about how to solve the big loss problem in high profitable martingale Strategies. by the way, I'm not interested to read your negative answers like "martingale doesn't work" or "its impossible". because the word "impossible" is not in my dictionary. waiting for your useful solutions... Marathon....
Hello, I just found this forum, thank you. I have been looking to discuss this. I have been using a diluted form of Martingale the last few months and I am trying to define that strategy. Actually, I would maybe call it a money management system. Anyways I've gotten out of some pretty bad trades with it.

I'm going to catch up on the comments and see what you have been discussing.

Thanks
  • #259
  • Oct 24, 2016 3:21pm Oct 24, 2016 3:21pm
when i read even old traders comments that martingale is just for loss and made account zero.i mostly laugh at them .. becoz i know they all old/new are saying this becoz lack of knowledge .. everyone in forex just want to get ride at angel.s wings .. they dont learn .just wanna start earning in few mints .. whilein physical life to earn only $1000 per month those people and their kids learn in schools,colleges and universities for 16 years of degree and still after that they dont know should they get job or not ... but to learn forex they even cannot spend 16 months ..that is the major reason of failure of 70 % forex traders ..
martingale required very big capital ... or use it with cent account micro lot lolx...
  • #260
  • Dec 22, 2016 11:46am Dec 22, 2016 11:46am
Just an exercise I did to get an idea of how likely a simple Martingale system would "blow" an account. I went to RANDOM.ORG and used random binary integers to generate a list of 10,000 binary numbers (1/0) from 0 to 999,999. I took out the carriage returns out to make 1 long stream and then searched for 10 consecutive 0's which I decided would represent a loss for each 0. It wasn't difficult to find 10 consecutive 0's. Next I increased the number of 0's until eventually I got to 19 and then it was difficult. So for the sake of safety let's say you're safe from 20 consecutive losses in at least 5 years perhaps a few more (probably) and if you can last that long then you should have accumulated a large sum of $$$$$$$ or whatever currency you're trading. Only problem is if you use 2x Martingale that works out mathematically to 2^20 which is 1,048,576 and so if you started with .01 lot then you'd need 10,486 lots to survive. Like they say you need unlimited funds to survive Martingale strategy. Okay so let's try something different ... maybe 1.62 instead of 2 ... that works out to 1.62^20 which is 15,498 or 155 lots. Better but still expensive to have that much reserves and often only make profit on .01, .02, .03 lots or a few more ... high price to pay for safety or 99.999+% of winning. This exercise or game presumes 50/50 chance of winning/losing and a large sum of reserve funds and very small probability of loss. You could improve the odds in your favor by opening the first trade using a strategy that is better than 50/50 and that can bring recommended reserve funds down but still no guarantee of success. If you do find a good strategy then try it using enough history and a well written EA that you understand (important to understand the underlying logic) and see how well it works using real data. Next try using something like TDS to make it more realistic (variable spreads and slippage) and then try using different currency pairs or whatever instruments you're interested in. Good luck or good trading and I hope you find your "Holy Grail" or close to it.
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