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  • #241
  • Edited Jul 24, 2015 12:13am Jul 23, 2015 11:50pm | Edited Jul 24, 2015 12:13am
Quoting trader34
You clearly haven't understood a word we've said. Contests are Meaningless! Quick large gains that can't be maintained. But, I don't care. Keep trying keep losing. You want to reveal the mystery... Show me your account in 6 months. I guess you'll have blown a few by then. Good luck. You'll need it.
Come onn... I understand what you are saying... You are saying that high lots & high return will never let you go very far consistantly & maybe 2 weeks high lots high return will give you 500% ROE or even 2000% ROE but if you continue then you will lost -5000% ROE after 2months

that means in long term NO one in this world can keep this up high return... ONLY GOD can

ya ya i know that I hearing this since 4 months

I am not telling that ME or anyone can keep it up for long term either

What I am trying to tell here is this

First deposit $100 & safely achieve $100 profit & use that $100 for this kind of casino like game & If you can manage to achieve $500 then again withdraw those $400 & again repeat in this way your whole process is FREE like you said before

I just need to learn how to achieve fast return with utmost accuracy... becoz those who can achieve 1000% ROE in a week.. they of corse have high talent

Not just high talent insane high talent

Ok... I challenging you if you choose to accept

As you have 5years of exp & 2years profitable exp therefore, you can do this -

Open a demo account with high lots & show me at least 500% ROE within 1 week

If you can do it, I will accept it that... there is NO talent in competition
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #242
  • Jul 24, 2015 12:23am Jul 24, 2015 12:23am
Quoting infernal199
{quote} Come onn... I understand what you are saying... You are saying that high lots & high return will never let you go very far consistantly & maybe 2 weeks high lots high return will give you 500% ROE or even 2000% ROE but if you continue then you will lost -5000% ROE after 2months that means in long term NO one in this world can keep this up high return... ONLY GOD can ya ya i know that I hearing this since 4 months I am not telling that ME or anyone can keep it up for long term either What I am trying to tell here is this First deposit $100...
If you choose to accept

Leverage will be 1:50 & open your account with $10,000

& achieve 200% ROE within 24h
& achieve 500% ROE within 1 week

That means $50,000 after 1 week in you TE.... show me big brother

You can do it after all... there is NO talent in it
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #243
  • Jul 24, 2015 12:50am Jul 24, 2015 12:50am
lol, trader34 had demo account to show that kind a gain, now deleted.
I had real ( mini Exness) account to show that kind a gains, now blowed.

seriously, you are concentrating, and wasting your time to the wrong direction.

you have your solution in mind, just something you cant accept for whatever reason.
change your mindset!

you said...
"First deposit $100 & safely achieve $100 profit & use that $100 for this kind of casino like game & If you can manage to achieve $500 then again withdraw those $400 & again repeat in this way your whole process is FREE like you said before"

The start is good. Do that!
But then comes the mindset change!! Don't start to gamble, if you can achieve such!
Rather start to blow up your account on gambling it, stay with the grow your account safely!
BUT! ( there is always a but!)
In the meantime your effort should go toward to put together a suitable trading account!! in a safe way!
That means old fashion WORK & SAVE!
yes. you read correctly! that is the simplest and safest and fastest way to do it!

you can try to gamble for 10% gain (10$) a day on 100$ account...as your experiences show, that a futile effort (maybe there is an exception, 1 out of 100k traders?)
you can put your 8 hours a day screen time to a 4 hour part time job, and make 10$+ a day, that you can save toward your trading account.
In a month you should find you have not 100$, but 300$ to trade with...in 6 months over 1000$...then you see, your 1% daily gains would translate to 10$ a day...hallelujah!

sure, you, and most newbie doesn't want to hear this!! it is nothing sexy about this solution for the problem.
how much better it sounds to brag around that you started with 100$ and didn't stop till the stardom.
ultimately it is your decision if you like to stay a dreamer, or see that you are running in circles, try to change your mindset, and start to work to achieve that goal.
the larger your account balance, the happier you be to book your 0.1% winning trade, and less willing to risk a 30% DD for a day!!

here is a generous offer for you, and my challenge, a meaningful one!
make a 100$ account, attach the TE....for 3 months trade it, with showing no more than 10% max/relative/peak to bottom DD% and at least 2x ROE vs the max DD...
account trade at least 100 position in the 3 months, so, you get a good sample of your safe trading.
once it is complete, and if you are within the parameters, I will send you 100$ for your achievement!

worst case, you fail, but you striving to trade a more correct way.
best case: you safely achieve monthly profit 2x your acceptable DD%, what is yours of course, + you receive 100$ cash!
how is that for a challenge?
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #244
  • Jul 24, 2015 1:13am Jul 24, 2015 1:13am
Quoting profitfarmer
lol, trader34 had demo account to show that kind a gain, now deleted. I had real ( mini Exness) account to show that kind a gains, now blowed. seriously, you are concentrating, and wasting your time to the wrong direction. you have your solution in mind, just something you cant accept for whatever reason. change your mindset! you said... "First deposit $100 & safely achieve $100 profit & use that $100 for this kind of casino like game & If you can manage to achieve $500 then again withdraw those $400 & again repeat in this way your whole process...
Awesome!! thx but how about this challenge

for me - I will try to reach from my current $54 to $1000 by the end of this year!

& for you both my big brothers - Open a DEMO account with 1:50 leverage & show me 500% ROE within 1 week!

Its fair enough
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #245
  • Jul 24, 2015 1:25am Jul 24, 2015 1:25am
your challenge, is to show that you can trade yoru account with less than 10% DD to achieve, and achieve decent return.
your reward: 100$ cash

my challenge? demo with some brainless way for a week, to impress you.
my reward? nothing.

once again, I did live 100%+ days and 2000% month on large leverage. with blowing account in the end. what should that prove to you?
an old post, of mine, on FF, when I was thinking like you....only achieving more, and trading similar small mini account...unedited.

Quoting profitfarmer
this is for myself... just took the time to write this on another thread, and decided that it is something I want to re-read later, when I need my motivation! just a note about losing... I think it is often ourselves being out own destruction, disbelieving something to be possible just because we haven't see it, setting up our own box/world with its limitations. if you don't mind a personal example... until recently I have had mixed success with forex, the best being a 5 months run where I reached +1100%...then got most blew up...a common case....
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #246
  • Edited 3:05am Jul 24, 2015 2:50am | Edited 3:05am
Quoting profitfarmer
your challenge, is to show that you can trade yoru account with less than 10% DD to achieve, and achieve decent return. your reward: 100$ cash my challenge? demo with some brainless way for a week, to impress you. my reward? nothing. once again, I did live 100%+ days and 2000% month on large leverage. with blowing account in the end. what should that prove to you? an old post, of mine, on FF, when I was thinking like you....only achieving more, and trading similar small mini account...unedited. {quote}
my challenge? demo with some brainless way for a week, to impress you.
my reward? nothing.

hahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha

awesome said... NOP I dont need any reward therefore, I also will have nothing in the end

but, plz do it...

Lets see...

I will try to recover from $54 to $100 first & then from that point I will try to conservative as much as possible & if i loose all $54 that means my total lose will be $89... not that much for a starter & then I will start my next DEMO campaign like I did before to recover my previous skills

anyway....

My Mission: Survive & keep growing from $54

Your Mission: In DEMO account with $10,000 equity & 1:50 leverage achieve 500% ROE within 1 week

Ok lets do it... plz create a DEMO account today
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #247
  • Jul 24, 2015 5:52am Jul 24, 2015 5:52am
it is Friday, and I decided to call it a week earlier, gave myself a half day off from trading.
here is how my main test account looks for the week, following my system.
I know, +13% is not the gain you looking for a week, but hey look the drawdown, at max 2.1% it is tolerable for the trouble.
btw, 700$ not that far a stretch from where you are, still made about 100$ a week...not blowing up, no excessive risk, no -30% days.

if that is really what makes you happy, I might make a fun scalping demo account next week, but just cant see the point.
now, imagine this:
once things finalized, and not 700$ but 70k trading in the same fashion on the account...
would you rather try something high risk, or settle for approx. 5-10% a week, with 2-5% max drawdown?
we can only steer you to the right, we cant force you!! the decision and the change you need to do.

telling me, who been there done that what you doing, and trying to continue to do, with more success than you have....did run circles for approx. 5 yrs, blew up countless accounts with equity ranging from 20$ - 25k...
this year was the turning point, where I decided that the approach just doesn't work. and it doesn't work because of me. it is easy to make high % quick, it is difficult to hold on to it! you can read my old journal, the TEs now not existing, but I assure you that all those numbers mentioned were supported by TEs at the time.

you have the choice to waste another 4.5 yrs of your life, and probably another many 1000s of $$$, or try to look into why your approach isn't working long term, and what should you do to improve your results.
if you would know my system, you would laugh on the simplicity, and probably wouldn't believe that it is able to produce approx. 4-5x more ROE% than the DD%...
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there is always, always another trade!!
  • #248
  • Jul 24, 2015 6:00am Jul 24, 2015 6:00am
Quoting profitfarmer
if you would know my system, you would laugh on the simplicity, and probably wouldn't believe that it is able to produce approx. 4-5x more ROE% than the DD%
Yup, this is exactly what I wanted to know... I just wanna know how a trader can reach 500% even 3000% ROE in a week even its a crazy or blowing style trading system... just wanna take a look on there trading style

How they choose side or pair or lots or whatsoever

If you know it then plz show it...

It will be awesome if you start a DEMO account next week & at least 300% ROE within 2days

Note: Currently trying to develop a trading style with SL as i didnt use this marvelous features & got huge draw down... my current trading risk & reward ratio is good after all... 2:1 or 3:1

that means If TP is 50 pips SL is 20pips & my past was 10pips TP but draw down was 40pips!!
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #249
  • Jul 24, 2015 6:10am Jul 24, 2015 6:10am
for fun, maybe you can try to log in to my last Exness mini account, I had for fun...
not sure it works, though:
login: 7177945
inv. pw: Check123
it is higher leverage, though, but was not a contest account neither, not a demo. I think it was up about +450% within 2 weeks, before blew up.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #250
  • Jul 24, 2015 6:16am Jul 24, 2015 6:16am
Quoting profitfarmer
for fun, maybe you can try to log in to my last Exness mini account, I had for fun... not sure it works, though: login: 7177945 inv. pw: Check123 it is higher leverage, though, but was not a contest account neither, not a demo. I think it was up about +450% within 2 weeks, before blew up.
thx got it.. & created TE for that... It was $ or cent account?

& tell me what was your strategy for placing a trade?
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #251
  • Jul 24, 2015 6:27am Jul 24, 2015 6:27am
Quoting infernal199
{quote} thx got it.. & created TE for that... It was $ or cent account? & tell me what was your strategy for placing a trade?
it is THB nominated, not cent, normal mini.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #252
  • Jul 24, 2015 7:09am Jul 24, 2015 7:09am
I checked your TE & it seems to me your trading style is same as mine when I reached 165% ROE within 2 weeks

& Its not luck... you must have high skills in order to understand when to quit & when to enter as M1 chart is the hardest to trade, Only very skillful can do it

Now, think within 2 weeks you reached to 450% & couldn't able to hold that & blown up right? ok

& for me I reached 165% within 2 weeks & couldn't able to hold & blown back to 35% ok?

This means you certainly have much more talent & skill than me

Now think about Contest trader.... they achieve 3000% ROE even more & hold it

They have far more skills than us... now admit it bro
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #253
  • Jul 24, 2015 7:56am Jul 24, 2015 7:56am
Infernal...
This is my last input...profitfarmer has more patience than me, but I am done trying to explain to you the difference between gambling and trading.

Here, I just did this for fun:
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So, 1 trade, +11%. Can I join the club now? Am I a great trader?
No, that was f#@king stupid! It was a gamble. Pure and simple.
I could get lucky with those multiple times in a day, and maybe for weeks...and yes I could make a ridiculous weekly profit...but...I could also blow the account with a 40 pip run against me.
And that's what these competitions are all about.
Profitfarmer summed it up perfectly. These guys go ultra aggressive, and hope for the best. They can enter multiple competitions, and blow countless accounts..but you won't see those.
No, you focus on the one time they got lucky and made massive gains. And you think they are great traders?!
You think they make a living from this?!

"I just need to learn how to achieve fast return with utmost accuracy... becoz those who can achieve 1000% ROE in a week.. they of corse have high talent"

Are you kidding me?! This is why I say you have learned nothing from what I have tried to tell you! It's not talent...it's luck!!!!! Show me one of those masters of trading, who has an account more than one year old with those gains!!!! Go to myfxbook, look under the "contests" tab http://www.myfxbook.com/contests , and look at the winners....at best their accounts last a few months..and they are all demo!!!! ALL!!! Can you not see the difference?!?!!? Even they are not stupid enough to risk real money on such ridiculous expectations. Are you wiser?!

Also, you miss the real point here...demo trading is at best a loose example of conditions you will face in real accounts. Demo's have great execution, no real lag and a whole bunch of other things that make everything seem great. Of course they f@#king do, because they are trying to sell their service!! They won't tell you about off quotes, failed execution, slippages or lags.

You think that if you can double your account a few times, and withdraw..that sooner or later you won't just blow the account? You will.
Then you'll say to yourself "well, this was free money and I'm ahead so I'll put another $100 in for fun, and try to repeat." but, you lose it again. Then you will inevitably repeat the process until once again, you are in net negative balance, because you have learned nothing useful through the whole experience. You have effectively walked into the casino, and put all your money on black...every time!

As i said to you in the 1st post I made, if you want to play this like a casino, go ahead. But have the awareness to call it what it is. You are not trading, nor are you learning how to be a trader. I have told you how trading works in the real world, and you say you are too lazy to wait for 0.1%.
Well, this week my main account only grew by around 1.8%... still, that's more than 4.5 times your 1st live account balance. And now I see you have another just starting today. Well, the pattern will play out as I said..so...have fun!

Don't say I didn't try to help you...
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
  • #254
  • Jul 24, 2015 8:11am Jul 24, 2015 8:11am
Those trader achieve not more than 15% ROE in a month & I got that from NordFX champion reviews!!!

So you are right, NO ONE will risk in their real account

But, again I will tell you this

Its not luck!!! Its skills!!

You may achieve 11% in one trade but, they achieve 3000% ROE within 1 week & they do 300+ trades!

Can you do it?
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #255
  • Jul 24, 2015 8:12am Jul 24, 2015 8:12am
If it was skill, it could be maintained!!!!!!!
Goodbye
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
  • #256
  • Jul 24, 2015 8:16am Jul 24, 2015 8:16am
well said, trader34!


infernal, the reason I gave you this account login, to see it is possible...I had somewhere better ones, that made 2000% in 2 weeks...made me any of those greater? not. luck, while I had a very good accuracy to pick entries, still ran out, and all it took 1-2 strong moves against me till game over!
also, have to realize, that these accounts were relative small. who cares really to blow up 10-100$...after all cinema for 2 with popcorn, coke, and a dinner after cost as much nowadays, and last half an evening, vs. 2 weeks fun scalping, right?
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #257
  • Jul 24, 2015 8:23am Jul 24, 2015 8:23am
Quoting infernal199
Those trader achieve not more than 15% ROE in a month & I got that from NordFX champion reviews!!! So you are right, NO ONE will risk in their real account But, again I will tell you this Its not luck!!! Its skills!! You may achieve 11% in one trade but, they achieve 3000% ROE within 1 week & they do 300+ trades! Can you do it?
but that leads back to your own question:
if it is skill that they can maintain, why they trade for "mere" 15% a month?
if you have such skills, to turn even 1 out of 10 account to make 180.000% real, why not all day open your 100$ account to do so? even a shy 1000% a week on 100$ would be another 1000$ gain, I could take that as weekly...you suggest 3000% could be the norm, so, 1000% could be really effortless for such supertraders.

so many times it is all focused on the %age, but it is the $$$ that buys you the food!!
450% ROE of 9$ =?? with eventual 100% DD
13% of 700$ =96$ with max DD of 2.1%

which one I should maintain in your opinion?
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #258
  • Edited 8:59am Jul 24, 2015 8:33am | Edited 8:59am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} but that leads back to your own question: if it is skill that they can maintain, why they trade for "mere" 15% a month? if you have such skills, to turn even 1 out of 10 account to make 180.000% real, why not all day open your 100$ account to do so? even a shy 1000% a week on 100$ would be another 1000$ gain, I could take that as weekly...you suggest 3000% could be the norm, so, 1000% could be really effortless for such supertraders. so many times it is all focused on the %age, but it is the $$$ that buys you the food!! 450% ROE of 9$ =??...
Ya the 2nd one

And, thats my ques also why they dont use the same trick on small account?

As I cant gain 3000% ROE within 1-2 weeks then I dont know... but, If I could I would do this like i said before.... $100 to $100 then use $100 for gamble but real account or main account will be always intact

Seems like none of us have this skills & now there is no point to talk about Lions while we are the sheep!!

And specially trader34: Sheep always hate Lions!
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
  • #259
  • Jul 24, 2015 9:12am Jul 24, 2015 9:12am
lol, very silly to call trader34 a sheep! very!
afterall he trades for a living, not a demo jockey!!

those contest traders don't trade the same, cos they cant! it is no point even to prove a system on demo, when the only important matter is how it performs on live account.
last time repeat, cos you said you new: demo has perfect execution, no requite, no off quote, almost never slippage, always enough liquidity to fill your large lots...
and your live account? do your own test
I left Exness few weeks ago due their excess slippage...go, search on the threads in broker section, you will find. it simple made my system untradeable with those conditions, that just simply could not be random, but plain bucketshop tricks.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #260
  • Jul 24, 2015 9:19am Jul 24, 2015 9:19am
Quoting profitfarmer
lol, very silly to call trader34 a sheep! very! afterall he trades for a living, not a demo jockey!! those contest traders don't trade the same, cos they cant! it is no point even to prove a system on demo, when the only important matter is how it performs on live account. last time repeat, cos you said you new: demo has perfect execution, no requite, no off quote, almost never slippage, always enough liquidity to fill your large lots... and your live account? do your own test I left Exness few weeks ago due their excess slippage...go, search...
OK I have one last ques to both of you as it seems both you have long term exp in forex than me... as I have just 4 months

If I use high lots then gain will be high & loss will be high... result: long term failure!!

If I use low lots then gain will be low & loss will be low...

My ques is: As it seems whole forex price action is random then How trader34 consistently achieving gain for living??

May he use low lots but who cares? Eventually he will fail in the long run right? as he said himself that price action is random!!!

Maybe I will blow my account within 1 month becoz of high lots but trader34 will blow his account within 2 years! becoz of low lots!!

Then? How can he doing this for living??
It is the dust where you came from & it is the dust where you shall return
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