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  • #1
  • First Post: Aug 14, 2006 12:38pm Aug 14, 2006 12:38pm
Are there any other veridical traders here? I trade by precognitive dreams, (Thank You, and Yes I do well) is there anybody else who effectively utilizes his/ her dreams for trading? I would like to find other veridical traders and compare notes (dream charts) with.
  • #2
  • Aug 14, 2006 12:50pm Aug 14, 2006 12:50pm
Quoting hlal
Are there any other veridical traders here? I trade by precognitive dreams, (Thank You, and Yes I do well) is there anybody else who effectively utilizes his/ her dreams for trading? I would like to find other veridical traders and compare notes (dream charts) with.
Hmmm. Interesting question. I'll have to sleep on it!

Could you post one of your dream charts? :

Dial
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  • #3
  • Aug 14, 2006 1:21pm Aug 14, 2006 1:21pm
damn, and i thought planetary harmonics was way out there.

tell us a little more about how you do what you do, i'm curious cos i have bloody vivid dreams :|
  • #4
  • Aug 14, 2006 3:37pm Aug 14, 2006 3:37pm
Quoting hlal
Are there any other veridical traders here? I trade by precognitive dreams, (Thank You, and Yes I do well) is there anybody else who effectively utilizes his/ her dreams for trading? I would like to find other veridical traders and compare notes (dream charts) with.
I'm not quite sure how serious you are. But if you are really serious could you explain it in more details? How do you do this? Are you trained for it?
  • #5
  • Aug 14, 2006 4:11pm Aug 14, 2006 4:11pm
Quoting diallist
Hmmm. Interesting question. I'll have to sleep on it!

Could you post one of your dream charts? :

Dial
I usually dream about charts in sleep but never have come across with a dream chart.It would be my pleasure to see a dream chart posted by some veridician.....(i dont know correct spelling).
  • #6
  • Aug 14, 2006 7:18pm Aug 14, 2006 7:18pm
I don't know if your kidding either, but I''ve seen enough in my life to be completely open to the idea.

I personally don't have the self control for something like that.

Tell us more.
Bundy's status today: "Waiting..."
  • #7
  • Aug 14, 2006 9:33pm Aug 14, 2006 9:33pm
Please, don't tell us more.

The answer is no, nobody does that - because its hocus pocus!

If I wanted to dream about something great it wouldnt be charts - I would be out yachting in the mediteranean or driving my jet car or living in a solid gold house. Dreaming of charts is taking the long way to realizing your goals if all you have to do is think about them.
  • #8
  • Aug 14, 2006 9:39pm Aug 14, 2006 9:39pm
Quoting americanteek
Please, don't tell us more.

The answer is no, nobody does that - because its hocus pocus!

If I wanted to dream about something great it wouldnt be charts - I would be out yachting in the mediteranean or driving my jet car or living in a solid gold house. Dreaming of charts is taking the long way to realizing your goals if all you have to do is think about them.
Hey man, no need to jack him about it. You never know, it could happen. Maybe hlal is just a little bit more tapped in than normal folks. I understand your point of view fully, but just maybe he/she is tellin the truth.
I dream, therefore I become.
  • #9
  • Aug 14, 2006 9:53pm Aug 14, 2006 9:53pm
OK here's the scoop from my years studying what is called "Lucid" dreaming (and i know that one of the more "Famous" traders at FF is a "Lucid Dreamer" but i won't name his name...but he might just chime in here and suprise us with some interesting possibilities!?).

Now i don't know if the original poster is at all referencing the art/science of using Lucid Dreaming techniques to direct one's dream to include some problem solving while trading or if they are actualy precognitave...either way, i'm open minded enough to believe that there is so much more human-possibility than meets the eye.

Bring it on. Lets here it.

~Thom
  • #10
  • Edited 10:45pm Aug 14, 2006 10:41pm | Edited 10:45pm
I have posted my brief hypothesis on the possiblity that our subconscious minds know how the market moves in another thread here without much response. It was sort of expected because that was off topic there though.

Well, I personally like this kind of stuff so I'd like to hear more about it.

The very first thing you want to do once you are in your dream, according to a book I read before, is obserbing your hands in your dream and develop your skill in visualizing and sustaining matters but I hardly remember what happens in my dreams so I got stuck there.

Is there any one here who is conscious and alert in your dream?

By the way, in the most recent dream I can recall, but vaguely, I saw Merlin and I think he said something very important in trading...but I can't recall anything further. I wonder what it was.
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  • #11
  • Aug 15, 2006 9:59am Aug 15, 2006 9:59am
lmfao @ the hocuspocus comment.

dude, what are we all attempting to do here more or less?

predict the future price movement.

if you delete "price movement",...

predict the future.

even if youre a news trader, you predict your actions based on what the numbers may or may not be.

and for anyone thats going to argue that point by pointing out our use of TA and indicators, TA actually involves more fortune telling than anything else, it may be based on sound theories, but price movement determines the way indicators move, even pivotpoints ( a personal favourite) is basing tomorrows price action upon todays.

the reason this job pays so well when we're right is that when we're right we've done the impossible, predict the future

and just to incite a TA/FA civil war, we both think each others methods are hocuspocus, altho some of us manage to work the two together, cos at the end of the day its a case of " whatever works for you ".

i'll take a haggard old gypsy psychic woman who gets it right over an algorythmic-quantum-superduper indicator anyday

so keep an open mind.
  • #12
  • Aug 15, 2006 10:02am Aug 15, 2006 10:02am
all I know is that in school occasionally I would come across a very difficult physics or math problem in my homework that I did not know how to solve... so I would go to sleep and wake up knowing the answer (or exactly how to solve it)

there is something relaxing about sleep...
  • #13
  • Aug 15, 2006 10:05am Aug 15, 2006 10:05am
also I noticed that if trying to learn how to play something on a guitar that the best method is to only try it a few times... then stop practicing... the next day try it after waking up and you should be much better at it already.

I read somewhere that your brain rewires itself when you sleep, so that would explain why - at least I find - the best way to practice music is "not to practice"

or in FX speak... your brain consolidates the info it learned during the day
  • #14
  • Aug 15, 2006 11:26am Aug 15, 2006 11:26am
I have heard of the planetary harmonics in relation to equities and one could even build a solid case around it, but dreams??? You might as well throw a dart to long or short.
  • #15
  • Aug 15, 2006 12:38pm Aug 15, 2006 12:38pm
Subconscious problem solving.

There are several methods out there for programming your subconscious prior to sleep so that it can 'work' on solving a problem. They work.

Your mind absorbs all kinds of information that it comes across. Left brain does not filter info. Similar to what traders say about economic news.. when they say ' its in the market'. Well the info is 'in your head', from all of the charts, reading, forums etc, etc. It is just not sorted in a way that makes sense to you at the moment.

Those who know how to program... some do it naturally w/o knowing it... can wake up with an 'aha' when left brain puts the puzzle pieces together.

Lou
  • #16
  • Aug 16, 2006 8:19am Aug 16, 2006 8:19am
Quoting Lou
Subconscious problem solving.

There are several methods out there for programming your subconscious prior to sleep so that it can 'work' on solving a problem. They work.

Your mind absorbs all kinds of information that it comes across. Left brain does not filter info. Similar to what traders say about economic news.. when they say ' its in the market'. Well the info is 'in your head', from all of the charts, reading, forums etc, etc. It is just not sorted in a way that makes sense to you at the moment.

Those who know how to program... some do it naturally w/o knowing it... can wake up with an 'aha' when left brain puts the puzzle pieces together.

Lou
It sounds interesting to me.
  • #17
  • Aug 16, 2006 4:35pm Aug 16, 2006 4:35pm
Greetings

The original intent was to find other veridical traders and share "data" (dreams, cognitions, visualizations, charts, whatever) with such traders. The inquiry seems to be to the negative, and therefore complete.

For those who have expressed some interest, I will take a few minutes and try to answer some of your questions:

"HOW, DETAILS", etc?.. Please keep in mind I am not a teacher or a coach of veridical analysis, precognitive dreams or lucid dreaming. This perspective on "how, details" is from a traders mind. I missed trading today Wednesday, although the last nights chart did show an UP DOWN trading pattern, which to me seems to have manifested in the first few minutes of USA trading. Yesterday, (Tuesday) it was apparent in Mondays trading patterns that traders were waiting for Tuesday's PPI report before taking positions. Knowing what was in that report appeared to be a valuable piece of data. Before the market opened in USA Tuesday morning I was aware (veridically) that the $ would move lower. I assumed it would be in connection with the mornings PPI report. Correspondingly, at 5:29:54 (Pacific Time), before any news hit the markets and before any price rallies/declines appeared on screen, I began entering a series of orders to go long and short dollar crosses. Some of my orders where missed as the prices jumped through my limits once the news was disseminated. I am showing me out of all crosses by 6:11:33 with profit. (GBP/$ long, $/CAD short, $/CHF short,$/JPY short, that's all that were filled). The vision was veridically correct and the trajectory of US$ dominated crosses did in fact confirm nicely to the interpretation. Today we had the CPI and last night I was aware of an UP DOWN trading pattern. I missed trading today but from my examination of the charts it appears the UP DOWN manifested itself in the first hour of USA trading and was again linked to the news. The objective of trading on news days is to get a clear vision, and then position oneself in front of the anticipated trajectory pathway before the news is released. On non news days the objective is to get a clear vision and trade into the perceived trend once it proves itself in real time physical world. This is some of the "hows, details." I hope that is helpful to the trader that asked about details of such trading.

It does not matter what the object of focus is, e.g. US$, gold, oil, GOOG, DOW, bonds, wheat etc. the magic is in the human mind, not the targeted instrument. I haven't tried it, but I would say if one wished to know the price of tomorrows tomatoes at the local grocery store, such knowledge is available.

"Can we see one?" ...That's a good question! I can show you one but can you recognize it? Yes it is possible to construct a chart and demonstrate to others the anticipated trajectory of a veridical dream chart but it takes time to construct and experience has proven to me such a chart, (and veridical dreams themselves) are usually only effective in receptive minds and spirits. The charts are very, very simple, and often too simple for most intellectual overachievers. All they do is show a trading pattern. It is most often not known if the chart is a 15 minute, hourly, or daily chart so there is usually some suspense during the trading day as the chart manifests in real time. There are no outward signs to a trade initiated by veridical analysis. I think a lot of guys assume they are going to have a trading orgasm, stars, lights and bells if they hit on a veridical trade. But they are really no different from a fundamental, technical or Elliott Wave initiated trade. You either see the pattern develop in real time physical world on your charts and pounce on it, or you miss it until it has completed itself. You are either on the trade or you have missed it. Once the trade is on you also still have fear and greed to deal with just like in other trades. And those bugaboos don't care if you are veridical, technical, fundamental, or wave orientated. They only go away upon exiting the position. For those still interested in seeing one, forward me your email ([color=#0000ff][email protected][/color]) and I will send you a chart. (whichever morning I get up early enough to construct it and send it) But do not expect much, they are simple, simple, simple designs and there are no bells, whistles, or dancing Divas included with them. Look at the veridical chart, and then look for that pattern appearing in real time physical world, either on a 15 minute, hourly or daily time frame. When you feel you recognize the veridical chart pattern in real time, step gently in front of it.

Training and Can anyone do it?,... from my perspective a strong Affirmative to that question. Training necessary?....I am not sure if one needs formal training or not. I do not see how it could hurt. As mentioned in above posts by other traders, there are many places (web pages) to learn how to record lucid dreams, RV (remote viewing) etc.

I hope this short note is of help to traders interested.
  • #18
  • Aug 21, 2006 1:41pm Aug 21, 2006 1:41pm
Missed this thread earlier. I too have precognitive visions.

My latest precognitive experience was harder than usual to interpret as it involved two daily bars, but I think it's telling me that the USDJPY is headed down on the 22nd. So I am already short and waiting for 50 plus pips tomorrow hopefully.
  • #19
  • Last Post: Aug 21, 2006 3:05pm Aug 21, 2006 3:05pm
Quoting Dark1
Missed this thread earlier. I too have precognitive visions.

My latest precognitive experience was harder than usual to interpret as it involved two daily bars, but I think it's telling me that the USDJPY is headed down on the 22nd. So I am already short and waiting for 50 plus pips tomorrow hopefully.
Cool Dark 1, Thanks 4 sharing. (You have outright courage) I have posted todays chart at http://beginnertrader.com/forum2/. If you are not able to download it, let me know and I will send you via an email. I love the drama. FYI, I shorted the US$/JYN this morning. I was of the mind of it being a short term (day trade). It's looking very well right now,forming in alignment with the pro forma chart. I had placed a Limit to cover @ 115.65. I will keep a close eye on it now and maybe extend it into tomorrow if the remainder of today's price action allows for such. Maybe I will loosen up a little on my STOPS and see if I can extend it (the trade or part of the inventory) into tomorrow. It could play out nicely with your vision. Thanks 4 sharing.
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