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Subrina - what you need to understand is that if you give 10 traders the holy grail for a day you will get 10 different results, including some losses.
Quoting dee50
I have just Farted, twice, to see if I could get the price to go down a bit quicker, the only reaction I got was from my wife who has left the room, so obviously I need a journalist in the area to report on it other wise nothing will happen
Subrina_FX,

Sounds like you want Dee to give you all his rules? Why? What does he owe you?

You sound quite frustrated that the rules are not clear............you are quite right, they're not. You have to do a bit of analysis yourself and come up with the entry rules that work for YOU. Exits that work for you.

​Some days Dee swing trades other days scalps......what works for you? I don't like scalping...I like to take the meat out of the trend and move on. The entries are good and then I look at BRN and resistance levels to reduce my position. Dee uses this % deal which seems to work for him but I cannot gain consistency for me so I leave it alone. There must be good times to use it and others times not - I just haven't worked that piece of the puzzle out yet. I pull at least 15-20 pips per trade when Dee grabs 50-70 pips.....I leave those pips on the table for him - I'm that type of guy....

Just write some entry and exit rules down that let you consistently take pips and your account will grow. Don't worry about the big home runs that Dee keeps smashing.......just keep pulling those green pips and your account will keep growing and growing........those big pips will come along now and again.....the PA will just take your position 50 pips before you know it.....

Keep trying Subrina FX...........you'll get there!!

PM1
Quoting PipMonster1
Subrina_FX, Sounds like you want Dee to give you all his rules? Why? What does he owe you? You sound quite frustrated that the rules are not clear............you are quite right, they're not. You have to do a bit of analysis yourself and come up with the entry rules that work for YOU. Exits that work for you. ​Some days Dee swing trades other days scalps......what works for you?


Dear Monster,

There is no doubt, the time I have been following this thread, Dee gives us all his rule; Because, he is one of the few traders I've seen in FF who shows exact entry and exit points on the live chart. I'm really thankful for his efforts which I have learnt much.

I think Dee wants to give us all his rules, and we all see by his contribution and patience to explain us every question.
It is exactly what I say that others like you think there should be some tricky part which Dee doesn't want to share.

I say when there is no written clear rules in this strategy such as :

Entry : ....

Exit : ....

Double : ....

Partially Close : ....

Close All : ....

Reverse : ....

Hold : ....

Run : ....

Confirm : ....


So we can only grab the Divergence concept and creating Renko chart and that's it, again, complicating our systems with dozen of indicators which doesn't allow us to think dynamically.

The beauty of Dee's trades is being dynamic for each situation.

I'm asking Dee about this dynamic,

If you get this dynamic to understand when you must Jump out with +2 with the same strategy and when should jump out with +130 ( 200% Fib ) you will apply the success on each chart as Dee does; Dee used to trade on FX , now only we can see DAX .

Dee says that DAX repeats its structure more than Currencies, CAN YOU DISTINGUISH WHAT HE IS EXACTLY TALKING ABOUT ?

The only way to understand the difference between DAX & Currencies as Dee says, it will be clear by applying the same strategy as Dee does , which personally I don't see any difference as Dee sees, because I cannot apply the same rules and strategies !!!

Also when Dee shows you everything and you can grab those delicious pips as Dee does, why do you stick to 20 pips of the 200 pips ? It will reduce your probablity of success in long run because you will be smashed somewhere, sometime because of the poor RRR.

The beauty of Dee's trades is the huge RRR sometimes 1:20 , this is the power of this strategy and this system while we only use 2:1 in this system which is total rubbish compared to Dee's results. Because he covers 10 small loses with only 1 winning trade.


I hope that you all guys understand the main points of my posts.
Quoting handy148
Subrina - what you need to understand is that if you give 10 traders the holy grail for a day you will get 10 different results, including some losses.
Different result with the same rules and strategies will be 10 pips different not 200 pips difference.


Dee's result : +100 +50 +80 +130 +20 +2 BE +8 +75 ( No or small Negative result, paying bills, building future )

Others : +2 -10 +15 +3 - 2 -20 +8 ( Same bullshit as other systems, Broker feeding )


Do you see small and reasonable difference ?! I know all the things you want to point them and I know the result of unique fingerprints

but I'm saying something higher than uniqueness of each creator.
Quoting Subrina_FX
{quote} Dear Monster, There is no doubt, the time I have been following this thread, Dee gives us all his rule; Because, he is one of the few traders I've seen in FF who shows exact entry and exit points on the live chart. I'm really thankful for his efforts which I have learnt much. I think Dee wants to give us all his rules, and we all see by his contribution and patience to explain us every question. It is exactly what I say that others like you think there should be some tricky part which Dee doesn't want to share. I say when there is no...
I hope I have gleaned your main points...

Yes there are no clear rules - if there was, an EA would easily be programmed, this takes a bit more than straight coding - unless that is your true intention??............how do you know if a trade will run 20 pips or 200 pips??.....more TF's on your side always helps I know that....so when the M15 and H1 are aligned and then you get a signal on the 5 Renko this could be a 100-200 pip run............maybe........that's the mystery of trading....nothing is guaranteed.

I have no interest in trading the DAX so for me to find the nuances between Dee's way of trading FX to DAX doesn't even come up on my radar. If the DAX is important to you then yes a further study is required.

PM1
Antony Robbins says:

He got an offer to teach the military soldiers how to enhance their lack of accuracy and strength to shoot the targets.

All soldiers ( Traders ) had same guns ( indicators ), cloths ( template ), distance to targets ( Money, Time ), etc.

But the result were totally different after long time, same random rubbish.


He discovered the only way to reach the same result as Sargent ( Dee ) achieves, is to applying but not only the same uniform, guns and triggering,

and also

the standing, sitting posture before locking the target
fitness of the body,
pressure on the trigger,
pressure on holding the gun,
watching correct rear sight and front sight
positive thinking about outcome
Confidence


After applying the reds, ​almost all soldiers get the same result in short time as Sargent was doing.

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This is the point of my view :

All reds and blues together need to achieve the almost the same result as Sargent ( Dee ) does.

Having only guns and uniforms can be ineffective, however practicing is really helpful if and only if to know and understand the tools and the way you are using them


unless they are not be used by soldiers, but kids playing around for fun with their water guns.

Or at the best they will use the real gun as hammer to crack a walnut !
Quoting Subrina_FX
{quote} Different result with the same rules and strategies will be 10 pips different not 200 pips difference. Dee's result : +100 +50 +80 +130 +20 +2 BE +8 +75 ( No or small Negative result, paying bills, building future ) Others : +2 -10 +15 +3 - 2 -20 +8 ( Same bullshit as other systems, Broker feeding ) Do you see small and reasonable difference ?! I know all the things you want to point them and I know the result of unique fingerprints but I'm saying something higher than uniqueness of each creator.
Yes, big differences.....I'm somewhere in the middle.......Dee waits for the perfect time to enter.....other's might not do that.....he has a higher and more thorough understanding of the market than we do and holds for way longer. For me, the BRN, S&R are good places to take some pips off the table. When there's a trade and the next BRN or S&R is 40 pips away, well I'll hold to there.....if the momentum approaching these areas seems to be stalling then I get out. Others like Dee let it go a bit more to see it can prove themselves to be a winner or not (like Dee's trade the other day where it was stalling and then shot up), well I would have exited there as that's green pips guaranteed. By holding the position, heaps more pips were available but I didn't want to take that risk. That's the way I trade. One day I might be comfortable with letting it ride longer but for now I'm happy pulling a 20 average each trade that looks perfect to trade. I'm in no rush to trade, I just wait for what I have identified as a perfect entry and just wait for that. I might only trade 3-4 times a day, maybe, but I average about 20 pips - so 40/60/80 pips total in a day - absolute crap by Dee's trading but for now that's me.

Do you consistently pull green pips daily? If so take stock you are doing way better than the average Joe out there - give yourself some credit.
PM1
Quoting Subrina_FX
Antony Robbins says: He got an offer to teach the military soldiers how to enhance their lack of accuracy and strength to shoot the targets. All soldiers ( Traders ) had same guns ( indicators ), cloths ( template ), distance to targets ( Money, Time ), etc. But the result were totally different after long time, same random rubbish. He discovered the only way to reach the same result as Sargent ( Dee ) achieves, is to applying but not only the same uniform, guns and triggering, and also the standing, sitting posture before locking the target fitness...
Totally agree!!

The blue's are a given but the red's do take time. Having all the red's doesn't guarantee success either...........learning some of the red nuances would definitely help and open our eyes to another side of trading that maybe we wouldn't have considered before. Maybe each of us needs to find the red's ourselves.....what makes us an optimal trader. Turtle traders are a case point - taught how to trade in totality from position size, MM to psychology and all of them didn't excel. What red questions do you have to ask of Dee?

PM1
I'm not really sure what you're expecting from Dee cos he is not a signal service. He is an experienced trader who knows how to read charts. His posts clearly mention standard stuff like 1 2 3's, BRN's, Divergence, Higher Highs and Higher Lows etc etc. He may have an edge but if he does it's from hard work studying charts over the years.
I don't know why you don't get my idea and what I'm talking about.

You only judge someone by your own view of point, that's the why I have not posted anything except on this thread since 2007 ! however I have started Forex in 2004.

So My goal is not making money, I make money.

My point is making constant money with high RRR, where this thread is only thread I have ever seen in years,

and Dee absolutely is the best trader I've ever seen in 12 years of my trading journey.

You say Dee is professional who is not a service provider, and someone says Dee does not owe me and other traders anything.

I know that, here is the forum for sharing ideas and knowledge unless you want to make money by providing service which easily you can find here in FF that many users with the Commercial badges and other thousands around the globe.

If Dee doesn't provide service which is the case as well so far, so the reason to put those award winning trades in here is only educating and guiding others to make some money and pay their bills and make their own future and private jet dreams, plus sharing knowledge.

I say if the reason of posting, is the educating and helping, why no one can get the whole package of this simple 1-2-3, BRN, and bla bla bla !!!

As I said on the quote brought by Tony Robbins, cracking walnut is not the ability what a gun do; however if someone have focused to eating walnuts for their breakfast so they will find the fortune in here by reading couple of posts.

However

My point of view is the traders want to gain 100s of constant and very high RRR EVERYDAY not ONCE.

I say WHY no one else can trade even once like Dee?! they DON't WANT ? or They CANNOT follow his trading strategy?
For example if someone doesn't know about Fibo expansion, so what is the point of following this thread?

The fibo expansion is not the main tool in this system. However Dee uses this tool as a magic !


I said for thousand times, my point of view is those who want to achieve the ability to place the almost same trades as Dee, not eating cracked walnut by gun and smiling for achieving walnut success.


I'm not asking Dee straight, because I want to know is there anyone else who can trade same as Dee or not ?

After getting the answer, we all can gather and document all his rules and strategies to say THANKS to Dee and participate and share our knowledge and continue this thread.



If Dee doesn't want to post anything, what will happen to this thread ?! will be covered by dust.

Hopefully this time, I could explain what I mean
This post is the summary of my early long long posts :


For sharing Dee's Holy Grail, do we have someone else in this thread who knows all rules, dos and don'ts of Dee's system ?

This is for sharing knowledge and teaching other traders to expand Dee's golden system and strategy.

For sure we can all participate much more than before and say big thanks to Dee for his valuable time has put in here to teach us how to use method effectively, not how to make Renko chart which can find in grocery store as well


Sam
Quoting Subrina_FX
This post is the summary of my early long long posts : For sharing Dee's Holy Grail, do we have someone else in this thread who knows all rules, dos and don'ts of Dee's system ? This is for sharing knowledge and teaching other traders to expand Dee's golden system and strategy. For sure we can all participate much more than before and say big thanks to Dee for his valuable time has put in here to teach us how to use method effectively, not how to make Renko chart which can find in grocery store as well Sam
hi mates!!
a week off.. studying,
a week without trade.. testing my discipline...
(ok just a little short on monday, still open but I swear I never touched, on gbpusd for an ascending channel on the daily, large macd div, that was too tempting not to be taken...)

Subrina hello and thank you for sharing your point of view.
I agree with you as I agree with those who have tried to respond to your ask, especially with pipmonster (well said, you took the words out of my mouth).
I will try to tell my experience and opinion without writing a papyrus.
I tell you now that I approached the FX (and the market in general) two years ago, then you speak to us with a decade of experience,
so my skills are not remotely comparable to yours.
I start with the classic PA reading, and never given it up.
I tried to follow some systems, those of the type: if arrow is green, the ball is blue, MA crosses, the coffee is ready and it's sunny outside ... then buy, sell viceversa. but I never felt comfortable (like des_b said just now) because the way I approach things required understanding.
this is what I found exceptionally in the posts of dee.
the continuing 'brain food' that you can find in his post.
not only graphics, but handouts and ideas to be explored. I followed his method to the letter (the method of the first period, has now evolved so much)
renko, div, 123 etc, and I realized I was thinking about how to play football as lionel messi, when I was still trying to learn to run.
then I studied every aspect of his method and I tried to apply it to what little I knew. and sometimes it gives me satisfaction.

now, I do not think we can enclose the dee method in a simple set of rules.
in its trade I see a reading of market conditions astonishing. this indicates a flexibility and adapt the rules that can hardly be considered standard, and I'm sure that before I get to that level i'll have to spend millions of hours looking at a monitor, reading, studying, 'stalking masters' etc..

But I'm sure if we ask to make a zero point of this strategy step by step, he will have no problem sharing it with us
(I have never seen dee refuse help to anyone), allowing us to reconstruct a sequence of repeatable actions to be discussed.
so,
I think your question should be posed directly to dee, not to those who are trying to follow him.

post#1858 by dee, some time ago.
perhaps it may concern ...

I read that you still follow your strategy profitable...
why do not you share it here?
perhaps could be some interesting food for thought, crossing these techniques
nescentia necat
Quoting friska
{quote} hi mates!! a week off studying, a week without trade testing my discipline... (ok just a little short on monday, still open but I swear I never touched, on gbpusd for an ascending channel on the daily, large macd div, that was too tempting not to be taken...) Subrina hello and thank you for sharing your point of view. I agree with you as I agree with those who have tried to respond to your ask, especially with pipmonster (well said, you took the words out of my mouth). I will try to tell my experience and opinion without writing a papyrus....

Thanks Friska,

This answer is the example of constructive message what I was expecting for my posts.

I agree with all what you said, and I personally after many years still cannot draw the clean, neat, and peaceful charts like you, so really well done that you have achieved this knowledge and confidence in only two years !

I didn't ask Dee intentionally, just because I wanted to figure out that is there anyone else can use the same rules as Dee or not !

If yes, it is my fault; perhaps I haven't spent time and effort as I should.
If no, something is missing, I want to figure out what are the barriers we have which stops us to be a golden trader as Dee.

This is why I didn't ask Dee, because it was not the question as Dee could answer !

I asked other traders to figure out step by step what are the barriers and unclear part we all have, to answer all those question and solve the puzzle.


but someone says Dee doesn't owe us anything !!!! my point of view is taking out the BARRIERS which stand in front of us to place the order late, or close the position so early, or fluctuating, or not using proper MTF , or for example 3 MAs unclear how to be used.

for example I might be good at entry point, while the exit point is really difficult for me and for most of us; because, the entry is based on the historical data and divergence which has been already happened on the chart, while the exit point is the future and you must adopt yourself with the blank future moves step by step.

As a result, zooming in all exit scenarios can be beneficial for everyone and will improve significantly our exits FOR EVERYONE not only ME.

So We can organize all possible examples and questions and all different concerns all traders may face with, so we can gather all required documents to share knowledge to others. So we all could structural organize and gather all infos in one place.


If Dee got exhausted from our silly questions or making his decision to move to his own private island which is under construction, and there is no internet connection, so what will be happened to this valuable and golden thread and Dee's tireless efforts?
Quoting friska
{quote} hi mates!! a week off.. studying, a week without trade.. testing my discipline... (ok just a little short on monday, still open but I swear I never touched, on gbpusd for an ascending channel on the daily, large macd div, that was too tempting not to be taken...) Subrina hello and thank you for sharing your point of view. I agree with you as I agree with those who have tried to respond to your ask, especially with pipmonster (well said, you took the words out of my mouth). I will try to tell my experience and opinion without writing a papyrus....

Sorry I forgot, and I also use the multi time frame stochastic strategy which the best concept and overall view can be accessed on Trading is supply and demand.

I have been using this system for long time, however in each trade I learn something new, exactly same as Dee's or other's strategies.

Overall is good but there all lots of uncertain moments because analyzing price + time together. Time is really hard to manage.

The psychological problem of trading mainly is greed and fear. Time makes them worse and worse.

This is the reason I like Dee's strategy because it is purely applied and be traded on Renko Chart with really high RRR and probability and money management.
Quoting Subrina_FX
{quote} If Dee got exhausted from our silly questions or making his decision to move to his own private island which is under construction, and there is no internet connection, so what will be happened to this valuable and golden thread and Dee's tireless efforts?
hahaha
we will be ruined!
nescentia necat
Quoting Subrina_FX
{quote} The psychological problem of trading mainly is greed and fear. Time makes them worse and worse.
totally agree,
these are my main exit barriers !!
but I think to work on these points should be firm on your own analysis, plan well the target,
know exactly what you want from that position so reduce to a minimum the percentage of risk. and I think that dee has the immediate ability to do these things.
this security is gained as much by a lot experience
nescentia necat
Friska,

if you would like to know my trading strategy which is really simple and clean chart, you can click on HERE.

I have uploaded the recent photo and entry points, exits again the major problem, however risk is low because reasonable profit will be seen
Just to remind you all that I started with Renko bars on the 24 November 2014, note the results of my first renko trade.
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Even then I had to explain the reasons for the 1st and 2nd entries
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My 3rd attempt for just 57pips
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My 4th attempt for just 20 pips
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MY point is, I have only really started getting pips since I discovered the DAX which has the momentum and range of movement which allows me to run for the pips.
Cut your Losers short and let your Winners run.
Quoting Subrina_FX
I don't know why you don't get my idea and what I'm talking about. You only judge someone by your own view of point, that's the why I have not posted anything except on this thread since 2007 ! however I have started Forex in 2004. So My goal is not making money, I make money. My point is making constant money with high RRR, where this thread is only thread I have ever seen in years, and Dee absolutely is the best trader I've ever seen in 12 years of my trading journey. You say Dee is professional who is not a service provider, and someone says...
Subrina fx,I understand what you are saying because I thought the same way too.. But i gave up trying to trade like Dee because it's obvious he doesn't have one system that he follows.. He trades multiple ways.. Some times 123's, some times double tops, some time div and etc... So my point is it's kind of impossible for someone to have his results... The beSt thing to do is to take one of his styles and trade it..
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