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  • #1
  • First Post: May 28, 2015 5:55pm May 28, 2015 5:55pm
I wanted to share experiences.
1.platform status ~ connection,freezing,reaction,,,, this is only ctrader. not meta .
2.custom support ~
3.deposit/withdraw ~
4.broker confidence ~
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...
Thanks.
  • #2
  • May 28, 2015 6:16pm May 28, 2015 6:16pm
Quoting entheos
I wanted to share experiences. 1.platform status ~ connection,freezing,reaction,,,, this is only ctrader. not meta . 2.custom support ~ 3.deposit/withdraw ~ 4.broker confidence ~ . .. ... Thanks.
I would ask them both what pricing engine is attached to C trader. ie whose liquidity they use, where are the servers located.
  • #3
  • May 29, 2015 1:20am May 29, 2015 1:20am
They are the same shit.
Low liquidity retail brokers that pretend to be true ecn.

True ECN cannot do more than 100:1 leverage and do not allow micro lots. Also Minimum deposit to open account is high.
  • #4
  • May 29, 2015 1:41am May 29, 2015 1:41am
Quoting mry2001
They are the same shit. Low liquidity retail brokers that pretend to be true ecn. True ECN cannot do more than 100:1 leverage and do not allow micro lots. Also Minimum deposit to open account is high.
thanks reply to me.

Could i ask you a question?
Who is your broker?
or recommend ..
How do you think about xtb?
www.xtb.co.uk
  • #5
  • May 29, 2015 1:44am May 29, 2015 1:44am
I asked xtb who is LPs.
they said to me,
It is internal information.
  • #6
  • May 29, 2015 2:17am May 29, 2015 2:17am
Quoting mry2001
They are the same shit. Low liquidity retail brokers that pretend to be true ecn. True ECN cannot do more than 100:1 leverage and do not allow micro lots. Also Minimum deposit to open account is high.
but recently,
all ecn retail brokers offer 0.01size.
if so, all ecn retail brokers pretend to be true ecn..??
True ecn cannot do more than 100:1 lev.???why?
Can you explain to me?
and why not allow micro lots?
thanks.
  • #7
  • May 29, 2015 10:57am May 29, 2015 10:57am
IC markets ctrader usdjpy m5. http://i.imgur.com/784z98O.png
Fxpro ctrader usdjpy m5. http://i.imgur.com/4Mm4FbZ.png
Pepperstone ctrader usdjpy m5. http://i.imgur.com/vajO2CP.png
Spotware ctrader usdjpy m5. http://i.imgur.com/tuteuZd.png
  • #8
  • May 29, 2015 11:02am May 29, 2015 11:02am
pepperstone ctrader ,,
spread wide..
I eyed these broker take all day.
In conclusion,
both not true ecn.
pretend to be true ecn..
  • #9
  • May 29, 2015 12:15pm May 29, 2015 12:15pm
Quoting entheos
{quote} but recently, all ecn retail brokers offer 0.01size. if so, all ecn retail brokers pretend to be true ecn..?? True ecn cannot do more than 100:1 lev.???why? Can you explain to me? and why not allow micro lots? thanks.
it is because the liquid provides doesnot accept 0.01 lot. traditional ecn is only for banks, institutions. why would they trade some changes? I do not know how brokers handle the micro lots. probably never sends the orders to lpjust my guess. the spread that brokers received from lp should be 1-1,2 pips. but feed retail traders 0-0.4 pips? it is a suicide mission. the spread they SHOW u may be fakethe real price ur order got filled is hidden behind the quote. i have seen in ctrader platform of icmarkets the order size 2.5 lots on both sides. if u trade more than 2.5 lots what's goong to happen? I think slippage of course Because ur trade knock off the offer and go to next Price available. 100:1 leverage is max allowed by liquid providers. why would some broker offer 500:1 to retail traders? again I suspect orders never send to liquid providers, but kept in house instead. margin required FOR 500:1 and 100:1 is different. for 1 standard lot eurusd the margin is 220 and 1100. brokers offer 500:1 margin expect u to fail someday amd they collect the difference between margin required as aprofit. search "the max leverage allowd by true ecn" on Google u will find well written articles. I tkink there is one on. fx-keys.com, talking about How 500:1 margin works from the traders to brokers and to 100:1 margin positions held by liquid providers.
  • #10
  • May 29, 2015 5:32pm May 29, 2015 5:32pm
Quoting mry2001
{quote} it is because the liquid provides doesnot accept 0.01 lot. traditional ecn is only for banks, institutions. why would they trade some changes? I do not know how brokers handle the micro lots. probably never sends the orders to lpjust my guess. the spread that brokers received from lp should be 1-1,2 pips. but feed retail traders 0-0.4 pips? it is a suicide mission. the spread they SHOW u may be fakethe real price ur order got filled is hidden behind the quote. i have seen in ctrader platform of icmarkets the order size 2.5 lots on both sides....
thanks
  • #11
  • May 30, 2015 9:02am May 30, 2015 9:02am
Quoting mry2001
{quote} it is because the liquid provides doesnot accept 0.01 lot. traditional ecn is only for banks, institutions. why would they trade some changes? I do not know how brokers handle the micro lots. probably never sends the orders to lpjust my guess. the spread that brokers received from lp should be 1-1,2 pips. but feed retail traders 0-0.4 pips? it is a suicide mission. the spread they SHOW u may be fakethe real price ur order got filled is hidden behind the quote. i have seen in ctrader platform of icmarkets the order size 2.5 lots on both sides....
oanda use only one usint which is very tiny by a matching system in door
if there is a system created to match all tiny trades from all companies world wide then we will have a better chance it is an idea hope that it find some investor to adopt it you just need liquidity providers and a good fast great matching system that all companies that share .
what make me feel that my trades are in market the way price moves when i trade it gives a feeling that it have changed way of move i am sure of that i am using Fxpro this days c trader 21 tick chart and it is great .
i managed to made a 20% profit in one trade small account
lets see how there withdraw will be
all have a nice day
focus while relaxed to see better
  • #12
  • Jun 1, 2015 1:09am Jun 1, 2015 1:09am
Quoting entheos
{quote} but recently, all ecn retail brokers offer 0.01size. if so, all ecn retail brokers pretend to be true ecn..?? True ecn cannot do more than 100:1 lev.???why? Can you explain to me? and why not allow micro lots? thanks.

This is from IC Markets risk disclosure. No doubt Pepperstone has a similar statement in their's.

"Trading with IC Markets carries an unavoidable risk of actual conflicts of interests because IC Markets is acting as principal in its CFD and Forex Transactions with you and IC Markets sets the price of the CFDs and Forex Contracts. Also because it may be transacting with other persons, at different prices or rates, or IC Markets will be trading with market participants.
The policy used by IC Markets is that as principal it issues the CFD and Forex Contracts to you based on the price it gives you, not by acting as broker to you. IC Markets obtains its price by dealing with its own Hedge Counterparty."

Totally bullshit that they say in big letters on their website TRUE ECN lol
  • #13
  • Jun 22, 2015 3:12am Jun 22, 2015 3:12am
well, that was impressive, try a new demo and the feed stops for 32 minutes???

hope your live accounts are OK
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  • #14
  • Jun 22, 2015 3:15am Jun 22, 2015 3:15am
Quoting mitch77
{quote} This is from IC Markets risk disclosure. No doubt Pepperstone has a similar statement in their's. "Trading with IC Markets carries an unavoidable risk of actual conflicts of interests because IC Markets is acting as principal in its CFD and Forex Transactions with you and IC Markets sets the price of the CFDs and Forex Contracts. Also because it may be transacting with other persons, at different prices or rates, or IC Markets will be trading with market participants. The policy used by IC Markets is that as principal it issues the CFD and...
Yup and so do 99.99% of the brokers out of Australia.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #15
  • Jul 3, 2015 9:11am Jul 3, 2015 9:11am
Quoting mitch77
{quote} This is from IC Markets risk disclosure. No doubt Pepperstone has a similar statement in their's. "Trading with IC Markets carries an unavoidable risk of actual conflicts of interests because IC Markets is acting as principal in its CFD and Forex Transactions with you and IC Markets sets the price of the CFDs and Forex Contracts. Also because it may be transacting with other persons, at different prices or rates, or IC Markets will be trading with market participants. The policy used by IC Markets is that as principal it issues the CFD and...
How pepper`s PDS?
the same also?
  • #16
  • Jul 3, 2015 10:53am Jul 3, 2015 10:53am
Quoting entheos
{quote} How pepper`s PDS? the same also?
YES ALL brokers from Australia have EXACTLY THE SAME PDS.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #17
  • Jul 3, 2015 5:17pm Jul 3, 2015 5:17pm
Quoting Forexia
{quote} YES ALL brokers from Australia have EXACTLY THE SAME PDS.
Hi, Forexia.
Thank you for reply to me.
Have a good weekend.
  • #18
  • Jul 7, 2015 4:13am Jul 7, 2015 4:13am
Hi,

I have been "testing" out the cTrader from ICMarkets.
(Liveaccount)

Well after a few months, they had all sorts of issues.

--> Price lags (even in slow markets), execution lags. In short: everything lags and is never working properly (This is not a one time issue, but happens over and over during a 3 months period).

--> Their support is always nice, but never handle the issues that you discuss with them, you migh be spending more time with their support than your charts.

So overall, save your money and your time do not even consider using their ctrader platform.
  • #19
  • Aug 16, 2015 5:19pm Aug 16, 2015 5:19pm
Hello everyone, I'm new here and this is my first post in this forum (i don't work for a broker or in this biz - I'm just starting out well for the past 8-9 months).

I tested ICM with peperstone and ICM often beats ps. Pepperstone should discount a little to beat icm. BUT, over the months, trying out ICM, I really think that they are scammers and would like to ask Australian friends (I'm in France) to file a complaint against them. Why?
1. They lie abot the ecn thing: they are market makers and it shows in their psd.
2. they play with spreads too much that it can go as high as 6 pips!!! True story, read my last convo with them below
3. their customer service sucks and they lie about who they are: if you go to their chat sessions, there are random names with random pics from the internet, sylvia, ricardo etc. They are all fake and not honest (in France, we have customer's complaint office who can close or fine companies who act like that)!

here is my last convo with them:

https://cdn.livechatinc.com/s3/defau...rs/male_17.jpgRicardo (Client Support)Support Agent
Ricardo (Client Support)Hello Ozrider. How may I help you?
Ozrider u say on your website that your spreads are like 0 pips, is it true?
Ricardo (Client Support)the spread is variable. you may find indicative spreads here: http://www.icmarkets…ng/trading-conditions/spreads/
Ozrider yeah dunno if you have seen the episode from south park where cartman becomes a gold/jewellery salesperson.. but sir u guys are legit scammers, i see 3.5 in eurusd right now! add 0.6 of your commission, that makes it 4.1!!! shame f... on you!
Ricardo (Client Support)"Spreads can go as low as 0.0 pips on our MetaTrader 4 True ECN platform and as low as -0.3 on our cTrader platform"
Ozrider anything to say to defend your scam empire? yeah i can see from your "ecn" ctrader that its 4.9!!!! add 0.6 of your commission > that makes it 5.4
don't you have some ethics? seriously!!!
Ricardo (Client Support)Is there anything else I can help you out with today?
Ozrider nope just explain me why you scam people with "Ecn" shit while you are a market maker f.... them behind, how about that?
Ricardo (Client Support)Sure please send us an email to [email protected] and we will be happy to respond all your questions
Ozrider i bet your name isnt even ricardo, that pic is even fake as they joke you ppl on forexfactory, your 0 spread lie is s..t
and you must be banned from australia for f... lying, u c... scammers!
  • #20
  • Aug 20, 2015 12:06am Aug 20, 2015 12:06am
Quoting Ozrider
Hello everyone, I'm new here and this is my first post in this forum (i don't work for a broker or in this biz - I'm just starting out well for the past 8-9 months). I tested ICM with peperstone and ICM often beats ps. Pepperstone should discount a little to beat icm. BUT, over the months, trying out ICM, I really think that they are scammers and would like to ask Australian friends (I'm in France) to file a complaint against them. Why? 1. They lie abot the ecn thing: they are market makers and it shows in their psd. 2. they play with spreads too...

Ozrider, Ive been keeping an eye on some threads in FF and I just couldnt help but reply as your post REEKS of being written by a representative of Pepperstone, it is quite disgraceful. I am very well read online (although I dont post very often, more of a spectator), and read a lot of information that suggest that it is actually commonplace for brokers to register pseudo names and post promotional content, what has this world come to?? (sigh) I have started forex trading 2 years ago, I use ICM and other brokers mainly Oanda and Dukascopy and Im not defending ICM by any means but seriously the best thing to do is just hedge your bets, have multiple broker accounts, test them out and trade most of your business at the brokerage youve evaluated as the best. Ozrider no one has a gun to your head forcing you to only trade with ICM, or forcing you to accept the trading conditions offered, if you are so unhappy trade somewhere else!! Choosing a broker should be done carefully much in the same way as choosing a new car to buy, do your research and be responsible in looking after it and you will get the best life out of it! Honestly, from reading your chat and how you have handled yourself abusing the chat operator on totally unsubstantiated claims it is absolutely disgraceful, shame on you!! My mother once taught me a very important life lesson which I will now pass on to you- DO TO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM TO YOU.
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