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  • #26,521
  • Mar 31, 2015 5:07pm Mar 31, 2015 5:07pm
Any of you guys interested in opening up a trading room during London/NY hours to discuss setups in realtime? Could be on Skype or elsewhere.
"Never Take a Trade You Don't Understand!" - Pres78
  • #26,522
  • Mar 31, 2015 5:45pm Mar 31, 2015 5:45pm
Quoting HiddenGap
The new, simpler VSA. They've added P&F charts Liam. You're being watched. Also of note, they are incorporating tick volume even on instruments where actual volume is available. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po4Q-Hptr4w {image}
Only had a quick look but it looks like he's using the P&F charts through Sierra Chart. Which is funny really, cos Sierra don't implement them properly! I wonder if anyone at TG has noticed. I'm using Sierra Chart too, but it's a custom study that I had made along with another trader.
  • #26,523
  • Apr 2, 2015 8:17am Apr 2, 2015 8:17am
Is anyone interested in this pair?

I was waiting for price to break out of that yellow zone & it did, was there an entry that I missed here?

Thanks.

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  • #26,524
  • Apr 2, 2015 5:15pm Apr 2, 2015 5:15pm
Quoting Vcv13
Is anyone interested in this pair? I was waiting for price to break out of that yellow zone & it did, was there an entry that I missed here? Thanks. {image}
I love EURAUD, nice clean moves and great ADR.

Threw a few random thoughts on your chart. Just a few quick observations only considering what I see on YOUR 4hr chart.
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  • #26,525
  • Edited Apr 3, 2015 1:37am Apr 2, 2015 11:40pm | Edited Apr 3, 2015 1:37am
hey thank you pres

now for some trendlines

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it's a breakdown not breakout, sorry
The loss was not bad luck. It was bad Analysis - D.Einhorn
  • #26,526
  • Apr 3, 2015 5:44am Apr 3, 2015 5:44am
Quoting pres78
{quote} I love EURAUD, nice clean moves and great ADR. Threw a few random thoughts on your chart. Just a few quick observations only considering what I see on YOUR 4hr chart. {image}
on your chart supply absorbed bar if i see this with next bar down to me it looks weak like lots of supply and market will fall more heavily but it did not..
how we can differ between high volume upbars in downtrend are weak or absorbing the supply..
they should be touching or going into previous supply area ? i mean at which point you confirmed it was absorption.. after 2BR on down or after breakout of its high.
thanks in advance.
Think Twice Low Volume is Key to Success
  • #26,527
  • Apr 8, 2015 7:51am Apr 8, 2015 7:51am
EURAUD yet again... see where the move up stopped. The red zone is a 4hr UHV zone from Feb 20th of this year. Note how the low is right around the BRN 4400. The yellow line is the low of the highest volume 1hr bar within that 4hr zone. Notice how that was the ultimate stopping point.

Volume at volume my Friends. VZA/VSA still works. VZA gives the where, VSA the entry.
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  • #26,528
  • Apr 8, 2015 6:36pm Apr 8, 2015 6:36pm
Quoting pres78
EURAUD yet again... see where the move up stopped. The red zone is a 4hr UHV zone from Feb 20th of this year. Note how the low is right around the BRN 4400. The yellow line is the low of the highest volume 1hr bar within that 4hr zone. Notice how that was the ultimate stopping point. Volume at volume my Friends. VZA/VSA still works. VZA gives the where, VSA the entry. {image}
From volume to volume. BRN to BRN. PA loves the levels...
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  • Edited 5:56am Apr 9, 2015 4:54am | Edited 5:56am
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learned about a new trend reversal/continuation technique a few days back, many of you might be knowing of it already. The guy who showed this technique calls it the "Clear Method", whatever but I'm sharing this here coz I found this lil method useful for added confirmation.

Bar A has the last highest low, the high of bar B is distinctly below the last highest low (i.e low of bar A), so bar B is signalling a change in trend here.

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  • #26,530
  • Apr 9, 2015 2:39pm Apr 9, 2015 2:39pm
I've asked this before but I really need it clearing up please.

Just watching a Pete Fader video and he said "Wide spread up bar on low volume, low volume means a lack of sellers, so price moves up easily" - this makes perfect sense to me. Effort vs Results. There's not much selling so price moves up easily - low volume, widespread up = bullish.

But I keep hearing time and time again that low volume, widespread up = bearish because it means a lack of buying? How can it be a lack of buying? If price has moved up, surely there is buying, that's self evident. So the low volume is a lack of selling. That's why it's moved so far on low volume because there is so little resistance?

Ahhhh! Help! Seriously, please! >.<
"Never Take a Trade You Don't Understand!" - Pres78
  • #26,531
  • Apr 10, 2015 7:33am Apr 10, 2015 7:33am
What i see here, only pics with explanations what happened, but no actual trades.. We all can be teachers, vsa gurus on history.
  • #26,532
  • Apr 10, 2015 8:02am Apr 10, 2015 8:02am
Quoting karolisl
What i see here, only pics with explanations what happened, but no actual trades.. We all can be teachers, vsa gurus on history.
Forums are for learning not for trade calls for all those too lazy to learn for themselves to steal. That said I have posted live trades in the past on this forum but it is tiring and distracting from ones trading. Rather than criticism how about you step up and post your live trades?
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
  • #26,533
  • Apr 10, 2015 8:06am Apr 10, 2015 8:06am
About vsa, i don't know use vsa or not.. Volume is lagging indicator, and for me i didn't find the way to use it on intraday. Too big stops. Maybe i'm too stupid to whole vsa chart reading.
  • #26,534
  • Apr 10, 2015 8:42am Apr 10, 2015 8:42am
Quoting karolisl
About vsa, i don't know use vsa or not.. Volume is lagging indicator, and for me i didn't find the way to use it on intraday. Too big stops. Maybe i'm too stupid to whole vsa chart reading.
Volume is lagging? That's funny.
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
  • #26,535
  • Edited 10:30am Apr 10, 2015 8:44am | Edited 10:30am
Quoting karolisl
About vsa, i don't know use vsa or not.. Volume is lagging indicator, and for me i didn't find the way to use it on intraday. Too big stops. Maybe i'm too stupid to whole vsa chart reading.
Do you know to use (interpret) correctly moving average indicator?
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #26,536
  • Apr 10, 2015 11:07am Apr 10, 2015 11:07am
Quoting pres78
{quote} Volume is lagging? That's funny.
I think yes, because you see what happened on closed bar/ candle.. And on spot there is no real volume. Different broker = different volume..
  • #26,537
  • Apr 10, 2015 12:26pm Apr 10, 2015 12:26pm
Hello Pres78,
i have learning in vsa but two confusion in my mind kindly clear the point.
Effort Vs result can u explain about Effort vs result ???
and 2nd one is Absorbtion volume thanks in advance
  • #26,538
  • Apr 10, 2015 6:58pm Apr 10, 2015 6:58pm
Quoting ZeeDeveel
I've asked this before but I really need it clearing up please. Just watching a Pete Fader video and he said "Wide spread up bar on low volume, low volume means a lack of sellers, so price moves up easily" - this makes perfect sense to me. Effort vs Results. There's not much selling so price moves up easily - low volume, widespread up = bullish. But I keep hearing time and time again that low volume, widespread up = bearish because it means a lack of buying? How can it be a lack of buying? If price has moved up, surely there is buying, that's self...

The VSA perspective goes a little like this:

Volume is activity.
Professionals (Smart Money) make up 85-90% of the recorded volume.
Therefore, when volume is decreasing professional activity must also be decreasing. And prices cannot go up (or down) very far without the Smart Money being actively involved.
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #26,539
  • Apr 10, 2015 7:16pm Apr 10, 2015 7:16pm
Quoting karolisl
{quote} I think yes, because you see what happened on closed bar/ candle.. And on spot there is no real volume. Different broker = different volume..
Oh I see you want an indicator that will show you what hasn't happened yet. You want it to show you what will happen on the next bar before it opens and closes. Makes sense.

Yes we all know, join the club of those who like to point out the obvious. Volume in forex is not "real" instead it is called tick volume which shows... well I certainly don't need to tell you. That's why you need to find a broker with deep liquidity pool... I have compared charts from brokers with good pools of liquidity to paid for data feeds and even to futures charts and guess what... they are close enough to trade VSA on FX using an FX broker.

UHV is UHV which = activity whether measured in ticks or order volumes... trade the reactions to the activity.

It always intrigues me that traders who don't trade using the methods or system of the forum subject always feel the need to drop in and waste everyone's time including their own.

You can't and don't trade using VSA so please find a thread more fitting for your trading needs.
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
  • #26,540
  • Apr 10, 2015 7:23pm Apr 10, 2015 7:23pm
Quoting Forex-pk
Hello Pres78, i have learning in vsa but two confusion in my mind kindly clear the point. Effort Vs result can u explain about Effort vs result ??? and 2nd one is Absorbtion volume thanks in advance
Effort can be looked at as simply increased or UHV volume. The result is what happens after the UHV. Take for example "stopping volume" after a downtrend. We see huge increases in effort "activity" showing that SM are becoming active. What we don't know after that bar closes is what side were they (SM) on. We could be seeing two things;

  1. SM buyers stepping in (future result = higher prices)
  2. SM sellers absorbing demand (future result = lower prices)

Absorption is when the SM are willing to put in the effort to remove / absorb all opposing orders clearing the path for higher or lower prices.

As will anything these actions are not instant. After we see volume climaxes (increased effort) there will normally be a period of accumulation or distribution after for the SM to fully build their positions.

Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
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