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  • #141
  • Mar 21, 2015 3:20pm Mar 21, 2015 3:20pm
Quoting strongtrader
{quote} Wow! those formulas sound interesting....unfortunately I do understand nothing about maths, could you please translate it in words format?
Take the current price. If the previous bars (H) never hit the current price, then almost surely one of the next bars (H) hit the current price with integer K as 'buffer'.
  • #142
  • Mar 21, 2015 3:23pm Mar 21, 2015 3:23pm
Quoting GU-Night
{quote} Take the current price. If the previous bars (H) never hit the current price, then almost surely one of the next bars (H) hit the current price with integer K as 'buffer'.
And that's how the cookie crumbles!
Solutions ONLY!!!
  • #143
  • Mar 21, 2015 8:01pm Mar 21, 2015 8:01pm
Carry on Sir mark72 !

I`m all ears.
  • #144
  • Mar 21, 2015 10:11pm Mar 21, 2015 10:11pm
Quoting mark72
I was never good at writing and i am not good at writing now but i will give it a shot; i will share little of my experience and knowledge in this thread; there will be no systems or indicators shared in here and i will not discuss any indicators or systems, just knowledge and information for whom it may concern; i am not looking for thank you's and i do not need approvals or denials of the things that will be shared in here. Please excuse my english if i will make grammar or spelling mistakes at times. The title will be offensive for some and a...
Hello mark72:

You say "You do not know how to trade" in the title of your thread and apparently neither do you.

You say your thread is a "wake up call for others" and yet 9 pages in to your thread you have offered no evidence of your ability to trade and for that reason alone your thread should be ignored.

Before people waste any more time waiting for your next cryptic statement can you create a trade explorer and show some profitable trades ?
Or show us some trades in real time. Some charts with entry points in real time and then in real time your exit points. After the fact analysis can be valuable, but hind sight is 20/20 for every one.

And there is no need to reveal your system or indicators, no need to say why you entered here and exited there in real time. Just some real time trades to give us students of the market a reason to continue following you thread.

I think my request is more than reasonable. So what do you say mark72 ? Show us you know how to trade.
May the Forex be with you.
  • #145
  • Mar 22, 2015 12:01am Mar 22, 2015 12:01am
Quoting mark72
The human mind is very strange even for the owner; it has the ability to bend things to go your expected way, it has the ability to make you see things that are not even there, it has the ability to leave out small not important things or to leave out small very important things; as it is when looking at a forex market chart no matter the time frame you are looking at; a trader has the "ability" to bend an indicator or a system to see what it pleases the trader. Test your system or indicator to all of the market conditions; very important is to...
Hi mark72. This post is actually interesting because it shows how important price and time are when looking at a chart. It would be nice to see more of these quizzes, but it would be much more complete if we knew the pair and timeframe. Why is that important? Because volatility is critical in placing size, stops, and targets. If you care to place more charts, include the pair, and TF so we can participate in a more active way. This topic is interesting BTW, keep it up!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #146
  • Edited 1:29am Mar 22, 2015 1:13am | Edited 1:29am
Quoting Borg
Hello mark72: You say "You do not know how to trade" in the title of your thread and apparently neither do you. You say your thread is a "wake up call for others" and yet 9 pages in to your thread you have offered no evidence of your ability to trade and for that reason alone your thread should be ignored. .


This thread is clearly meant not for those who know how to trade or actually want to make money. It's just another senseless rant on a wide wide internet land

For those couple who were tricked by the the title I recommend to search for grkfx or Darkstar. They both have their websites which provide solid foundation and education for those aspiring to be traders.
  • #147
  • Mar 22, 2015 1:30am Mar 22, 2015 1:30am
Quoting Tingus
{quote} This thread is clearly meant not for those who know how to trade or actually want to make money. It's just another senseless rant on a wide wide internet land For those couple who were tricked by the the title I recommend to search for grfx or Darkstar. They both have their websites which provide solid foundation and education for those aspiring to be traders.
I would not call this thread a rant. The title could have been less adversarial, but that is another topic. A lot of what the OP suggests is actually good info. If a trader can get the abstract down in their mind, they will form concrete systems.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #148
  • Mar 22, 2015 1:42am Mar 22, 2015 1:42am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I would not call this thread a rant. The title could have been less adversarial, but that is another topic. A lot of what the OP suggests is actually good info. If a trader can get the abstract down in their mind, they will form concrete systems.
When you have already a concrete system, only then abstract things help.

If you don't - then it's all just flying in the clouds.
  • #149
  • Mar 22, 2015 2:12am Mar 22, 2015 2:12am
Quoting Tingus
{quote} This thread is clearly meant not for those who know how to trade or actually want to make money. It's just another senseless rant on a wide wide internet land For those couple who were tricked by the the title I recommend to search for grkfx or Darkstar. They both have their websites which provide solid foundation and education for those aspiring to be traders.
Thanks Tingus. I will check them out.
May the Forex be with you.
  • #150
  • Mar 22, 2015 2:20am Mar 22, 2015 2:20am
Quoting Tingus
{quote} When you have already a concrete system, only then abstract things help. If you don't - then it's all just flying in the clouds.
Nothing becomes concrete before the abstract. First, a trader must formulate an idea. Ideas are abstract. Then they develop rules based upon their idea. Rules are concrete.

The OP said that he would not be sharing any system, but would rather give ideas for a trader to act upon. This is a much better way in my view. Nobody who wants to be spoon fed should be trading.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #151
  • Mar 22, 2015 2:22am Mar 22, 2015 2:22am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I would not call this thread a rant. The title could have been less adversarial, but that is another topic. A lot of what the OP suggests is actually good info. If a trader can get the abstract down in their mind, they will form concrete systems.
For those who want to learn how to trade good info should come from those who know how to trade.

The op should respond to my earlier post and demonstrate his skills so us mere white belts can have reasons to believe he is providing good info, as you say.

Based on what he has shown so far he is just a white belt pretending he is a black belt.

Any one can talk up a good story. But can he actually trade ?
May the Forex be with you.
  • #152
  • Mar 22, 2015 3:21am Mar 22, 2015 3:21am
Quoting Borg
{quote} For those who want to learn how to trade good info should come from those who know how to trade. The op should respond to my earlier post and demonstrate his skills so us mere white belts can have reasons to believe he is providing good info, as you say. Based on what he has shown so far he is just a white belt pretending he is a black belt. Any one can talk up a good story. But can he actually trade ?
Who cares. Get lost if you find no value here. Who are are you that "The op should respond to my earlier post and demonstrate his skills so us mere white belts can have reasons to believe he is providing good info". Get real, its free info on a free public forum.

To all the idiots who keep saying the same garbage about how OP's should "show a trade explorer" or "if he doesn't show one hes a scammer" .Yada yada yada. Op's thread, Op's rules. The Op's are not obligated to show you jack shi*. Its annoying coming to read a thread and then have to read over your and all these other trolls 100% useless drivel that's been said a million times before!

If you find no value in a thread MOVE ON!
  • #153
  • Mar 22, 2015 3:53am Mar 22, 2015 3:53am
Quoting skfx
{quote} In word format strongetrader, that would be 'taking the mickey!' The above has nothing to do with currency movements lolol. Bill is pulling your leg. Regards

Quoting BillYon
{quote} Not my formulas, but basically in this fractal market price revisits itself almost surely given a chosen time and space. Years, months, weeks, hours, minutes, seconds... Being that the market is fractal you can finds opportunities in the microscopic nooks and crannies that mimic the macro cycles. Price will revisit itself. This can be exploited using a sampling technique. I just feel it relates well with what has been presented thus far. I'll leave it there. You can also check the Transient zone basics thread to go deeper.

Quoting diceman555
{quote} so true Billyon ,i use a technique on indices ,which i refer to as trading the market efficiency,i log all the return points and calculate the the deviation from market efficiency,this can only be seen in collective groups not singular. anyways slightly off topic so ill exit

Quoting Sis.yphus
{quote} If you really study that formula you will notice it is nothing different then how a donchian channel is calcuted or zig zags. Also it is a fact that there is a 100% chance all price levels will be revisited since the market is will never end just as time never ends.

Quoting GU-Night
{quote} Take the current price. If the previous bars (H) never hit the current price, then almost surely one of the next bars (H) hit the current price with integer K as 'buffer'.

LOL!.....you are making of a very simple concept an engineering thesis.
Everything can exist only if it has an equilibrium point and the most efficient way to obtain an equilibrium point is oscillating between two extremes; as one of the very basic law in nature is efficiency, everything always oscillates between two extremes in order to keep on its equilibrium, and so does the market.
Beeing the equilibrium the mean between the extremes it is obvious and natural that the equilibrium acts on price like an attractor.
Trying to predict which will be next equilibrium point through the calculation of the deviation from it is a losing game for you would need a constant, like the one you have within the motion of a pendulum, which you do not really have because the energy flow of market is not constant.

Quoting Borg
Hello mark72: You say "You do not know how to trade" in the title of your thread and apparently neither do you. You say your thread is a "wake up call for others" and yet 9 pages in to your thread you have offered no evidence of your ability to trade and for that reason alone your thread should be ignored. .

Quoting Tingus
{quote} This thread is clearly meant not for those who know how to trade or actually want to make money. It's just another senseless rant on a wide wide internet land For those couple who were tricked by the the title I recommend to search for grfx or Darkstar. They both have their websites which provide solid foundation and education for those aspiring to be traders.

How the hell can you even think to have an opinion if you still do not either know which will be his conclusions?!
The only thing that is constantly out of balance is human mind because there is a constant flow of stupidity in it
"Only two things are infinite: Universe and human stupidity; I'm not sure of Universe." A. Einstein
  • #154
  • Mar 22, 2015 4:05am Mar 22, 2015 4:05am
I've no doubt this thread will be dumped in the commercial bin sooner or later, once mr mark72 gets enough sheep for his flock, he'll have to (for reasons) start charging a fee for the information.**

Disclaimer;

**with an inability to trade profitably himself, he has figured out the only way to make any money in this game is to get other fools to part with their hard earned cash, in their search of that elusive holy grail.

You heard it here first folks
  • #155
  • Mar 22, 2015 4:51am Mar 22, 2015 4:51am
Quoting GDR3k
I've no doubt this thread will be dumped in the commercial bin sooner or later, once mr mark72 gets enough sheep for his flock, he'll have to (for reasons) start charging a fee for the information.** Disclaimer; **with an inability to trade profitably himself, he has figured out the only way to make any money in this game is to get other fools to part with their hard earned cash, in their search of that elusive holy grail. You heard it here first folks
I have not pay atention to trolls but have choose to ignore only the ones that really garbage this thread and not everyone that say i want money or i have another interest; the flock as you say has left a long time ago and there are few and few as i put much information here without indicators so the biggest flock was at the begining not as i go and post free some information you will not see in a public website and i can post this information for free in a comercial thread with no problem you do not think so?; who is smart enough really has a lot in this thread to learn by himself specialy with the last image with the number on candles even if i have never reach to explain the numbers candle; i see that posting more information related to trading is bringing in more trolls and i only see one reason for them that the information should not be public; how many of the trolls have offered to earn free money for new and losing traders without asking some thing in return? How many of the trolls post information that you can not find on a broker website or a public website?
This is my last time i say that please post trading related things in this thread and do not be a troll; i will use the ignore button more for the ones that can not be polite and civilised to fellow members and traders and are not here to learn; you have options: stay here, read free information, post if you have questions about the information posted and learn to trade or find another thread you think is suited for your trading style and believe; ihave not come to any thread to say it does not work or a trader does not know to trade and the title is not offensive if you are objective.
  • #156
  • Mar 22, 2015 6:50am Mar 22, 2015 6:50am
No trader new or experienced need my help to trade profitable and that is a truth but they can become profitable just by searching for the truth of forex market; there is something more than pure price action that i try to show in this thread but only trading price action and not in the pattern way or candlestick formation way can be times more profitable than watching indicators.
For example do yourself a favor and go to forex factory home page and this is the most simple truth that you are the one trading and not me or an indicator; there are a few mini charts at the top for several different pairs that only contain a few candlestick; watch those pairs for no more than 1 second and see if you will know where the price is going up or down; where would you enter on those pairs? do not over think too much; trading is simple but is not easy and still can be traded by a 8 years child with no indicators better than the 90% of the traders that are losing money; look for simplicity and do not go and lose your money letting a indicator decide for you how fast to lose money; majority of indicators not only they are useless but they have been changed by financial institutions along the time and have been defined to be used in another way than they should just to exist 90% losing traders.
  • #157
  • Mar 22, 2015 3:28pm Mar 22, 2015 3:28pm
Quoting mark72
{quote} I have not pay atention to trolls but have choose to ignore only the ones that really garbage this thread and not everyone that say i want money or i have another interest; the flock as you say has left a long time ago and there are few and few as i put much information here without indicators so the biggest flock was at the begining not as i go and post free some information you will not see in a public website and i can post this information for free in a comercial thread with no problem you do not think so?; who is smart enough really...
Peace
  • #158
  • Mar 23, 2015 2:11pm Mar 23, 2015 2:11pm
Quoting mark72
No trader new or experienced need my help to trade profitable and that is a truth but they can become profitable just by searching for the truth of forex market; there is something more than pure price action that i try to show in this thread but only trading price action and not in the pattern way or candlestick formation way can be times more profitable than watching indicators. For example do yourself a favor and go to forex factory home page and this is the most simple truth that you are the one trading and not me or an indicator; there are...

The reason in theory an 8 year old child could potentially succeed at trading is because they would buy when price is going up and sell when price is going down. Just like when my wife passes my screen and says "it's going down, you should sell". I often mock her simplicity of thinking but she is often right. The question is how can we incorporate that simple innocent mindedness into our trading? Quite easy, well I have found a way that works for me. If price is above 10 EMA only buy, if it's below 10 EMA only sell. Does it mean I miss out on some reversal trades, sure, but it increases my winning percentage. It sounds too basic when there's so many complicated ideas about how to trade i.e fibonacci, elliot wave, harmonic patterns etc. I challenge everyone to go and look at their last losing trades and see if they applied that rule would they have taken it...
  • #159
  • Mar 24, 2015 12:20pm Mar 24, 2015 12:20pm
I know what sis is saying and i agree to letting someone even my wife to watch my trading; a EMA indicator would give too many false signals; this is what the whole dimensions was for as basic; do not base your trading decision on only one dimension; do not base trading on things as indicators or patterns that are not designed for entry.

ADD on: a trade entry must be based on a higher dimension that is simple but not easy; it is not esoteric like some trader said but also need a trader to pay attention to simple basic things in price.
  • #160
  • Mar 24, 2015 1:54pm Mar 24, 2015 1:54pm
Mark all interesting stuff, go ahead. I'm curious to read more and more.
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