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  • #41
  • Mar 18, 2015 7:40pm Mar 18, 2015 7:40pm
Quoting Sis.yphus
The Herd(Do You Know What Direction Your Going to Trade Before You Are Aware Of It?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QelK...ndex=5&list=WL In the experiment, the participants are asked to say a tool and color after they answer a question in under 10 seconds. 80% of the people who do this survey will answer with a red hammer. The Herd. This is because our brains tendency to take short cuts. Our memory is a system of shortcuts we use to store ideas and information. It stores this data in categories like "colors, tools & furniture....
Lol I said a Red Wrench

the short cuts are called heuristic

any approach to problem solving, learning, or discovery that employs a practical methodology not guaranteed to be optimal or perfect, but sufficient for the immediate goals. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of finding a satisfactory solution.

Which applies to Forex, or for that matter many jobs that require quick thinking we go for the things we remember right off the bat and try to apply them to a given situation.
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  • #42
  • Mar 18, 2015 8:06pm Mar 18, 2015 8:06pm
Quoting palabara
{quote} Lol I said a Red Wrench the short cuts are called heuristic any approach to problem solving, learning, or discovery that employs a practical methodology not guaranteed to be optimal or perfect, but sufficient for the immediate goals. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of finding a satisfactory solution. Which applies to Forex, or for that matter many jobs that require quick thinking we go for the things we remember right off the bat and try to apply them...
Nice palabara :-)

This method of thinking is how we deal quickly with complex systems. Why we believe that we can use simplified assumptions based on past experience to predict the weather for example. Of course when that prediction is correct, the result simply reinforces the simplified assumption to a point where we accept it naively as fact. The brain is an incredibly powerful tool but also a mischeiviously deceptive one. In games dealing with complexity where probability rules it is essential to use the power of critical thinking and always test your assumptions against 'reality'.
  • #43
  • Edited 8:28pm Mar 18, 2015 8:13pm | Edited 8:28pm
Quoting Copernicus
{quote} Nice palabara :-) This method of thinking is how we deal quickly with complex systems. Why we believe that we can use simplified assumptions based on past experience to predict the weather for example. Of course when that prediction is correct, the result simply reinforces the simplified assumption to a point where we accept it naively as fact. The brain is an incredibly powerful tool but also a mischeiviously deceptive one. In games dealing with complexity where probability rules it is essential to use the power of critical thinking and...
The way I learned it in psychology.. There is 2 steps.. There is a lot of 2 steps in psychology lol. Problem lays with the fact that people never reach past the 1st step primary because it requires to much energy, imagine if we had to go through life analyzing everything in deeper detail.. So we use a lot of biases and mental short cuts which basically works in a sense to how do I reach a conclusion the quickest way, then once conclusion is reached its past on without further requiring any thought to it. The thing I've learned is that if you try to change your perspective on biases good luck with that, yes it is extremely difficult. It does require a lot of energy and tend to regress into bias behaviors.

What can be done though is to acknowledge those biases, and then find ways to get to step 2 without requiring to much energy so instead of doing an additional full step do a quarter of a half a step. So instead of accepting the 1st conclusion.. At least think of another possible one before accepting the information. It requires energy and also knowing when to do that.

You make a good point when using biases and the outcome comes true it is reinforcing. I bet Steven hawking uses 3 steps instead of 2
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  • #44
  • Edited 9:23pm Mar 18, 2015 8:32pm | Edited 9:23pm
Quoting palabara
{quote} The way I learned it in psychology.. There is 2 steps.. There is a lot of 2 steps in psychology lol. Problem lays with the fact that people never reach past the 1st step primary because it requires to much energy, imagine if we had to go through life analyzing everything in deeper detail.. So we use a lot of biases and mental short cuts which basically works in a sense to how do I reach a conclusion the quickest way, then once conclusion is reached its past on without further requiring any thought to it. The thing I've learned is that if...
Thanks P. That makes total sense to me and thanks for sharing. :-)

I know and accept that I am rife with bias and therefore use critical thinking in conjunction with empirical fact to attempt to self-diagnose my thoughts. Where I have found this skill is in reading David Bohm's works on 'Thought as a System' which has enlightened me about myself. What I find inevitably through this process (a slow one) is that my thoughts are frequently contaminated by past experience and reinforced emotional response.Your suggested method is certainly a step in this direction and allows a far speedier response than the one I take so I might include that process in my 'thought' arsenal.

This process of simplification or 'reductionism' (Heuristic thinking) is also manifested in a particularly 'Western' viewpoint that at the most fundamental level, everything can be explained by a Newtonian process of having 'perfect information and a clockwork universe'. The bias associated with this viewpoint is that simplification rules are sufficient to describe complexity. In dealing with market dynamics however, having this perfect information is theoretically impossible and this simplification process by 'averaging' forgets to include the correlations that exist in the behaviour of a systems collective participants. The safest way to deal with this complexity is to only assume the most broad average features of complexity as more detailed 'reductionist' interpretations inevitably fail to consider the slight variations to sample averages that become statistically meaningul in large sample sets or over large time periods.

PS Stephen Hawkings uses maths to probe the validity of his thoughts so he ensures at least any subjective bias is eliminated through this approach.
  • #45
  • Edited Mar 19, 2015 12:51am Mar 18, 2015 11:04pm | Edited Mar 19, 2015 12:51am
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I am a big fan of W Edwards Deming. A lot of what I use at work is based on his approaches. I run a team of highly paid and motivated professionals. Our constant focus is on developing and refining core skills. Continuous improvement based on learning by doing. We have a lot of success and our methods/approaches are seen as representing best practice in what we do.

The problem I see with forex trading is that is difficult to get the level of accrued knowledge and refinement of methods without doing it full time. No expert on psychology but can see how heuristics can affect people who have not developed the requisite core skills needed to be a trader. What else do they have for there brain to base decisions on? Acquired skills also tend to decay rapidly if not used regularly. You really need to grind out the basics needed through chart time and trading with real money. I really don't see any alternatives.

Retail trading is also a lonely business. It is mostly just you and your computer. You do not get the opportunities for peer support, peer review and group learning dynamics that most other work environments provide. You can convince yourself of anything if you think about it long enough.
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  • #46
  • Mar 18, 2015 11:08pm Mar 18, 2015 11:08pm
Quoting Nijee
I am a big fan of W Edwards Deming. A lot of what I use at work is based on his approaches. I run a team of highly paid and motivated professionals. Our constant focus is on developing and refining core skills. Continuous improvement based on learning by doing. We have a lot of success and our methods/approaches are seen as representing best practice in what we do. The problem I see with forex trading is that is difficult to get the level of accrued knowledge and refinement of methods without doing it full time. No expert on psychology but can see...
I wish this forum had a damn LIKE button. :-)
  • #47
  • Mar 19, 2015 6:56am Mar 19, 2015 6:56am
Quoting Nijee
{image} I am a big fan of W Edwards Deming. A lot of what I use at work is based on his approaches. I run a team of highly paid and motivated professionals. Our constant focus is on developing and refining core skills. Continuous improvement based on learning by doing. We have a lot of success and our methods/approaches are seen as representing best practice in what we do. The problem I see with forex trading is that is difficult to get the level of accrued knowledge and refinement of methods without doing it full time. No expert on psychology but...
Great Post, Nijee! I couldn't agree with you more. I too think it takes serious time dedication to truly understand trading. And your right it is a very lonely business. I think thats why forums like this manage to have so many users.Its a place to review and be reviewed by your peers if you want to share. It also allows you to share some really interesting conversation with who could be considered as your colleagues.

Quoting Copernicus
{quote} Thanks P. That makes total sense to me and thanks for sharing. :-) I know and accept that I am rife with bias and therefore use critical thinking in conjunction with empirical fact to attempt to self-diagnose my thoughts. Where I have found this skill is in reading David Bohm's works on 'Thought as a System' which has enlightened me about myself. What I find inevitably through this process (a slow one) is that my thoughts are frequently contaminated by past experience and reinforced emotional response.Your suggested method is certainly a...
Quoting palabara
{quote} The way I learned it in psychology.. There is 2 steps.. There is a lot of 2 steps in psychology lol. Problem lays with the fact that people never reach past the 1st step primary because it requires to much energy, imagine if we had to go through life analyzing everything in deeper detail.. So we use a lot of biases and mental short cuts which basically works in a sense to how do I reach a conclusion the quickest way, then once conclusion is reached its past on without further requiring any thought to it. The thing I've learned is that if...
Great conversation you guys are having here. I wish I had something good I could throw in but you guys have basically laid it all out on the table already. one thing I like to remember in regard to bias is its hard to change your bias before you take the trade, but it should be very easy to change your bias after you take the trade and you can see it is the wrong bias. Unless of coarse you are one stubborn bastard

A great quote from one of my favorite traders(He day trades stocks only but has had million dollar days back during the AAMRQ debacle) is
"I would rather be rich, than right."

sis.
  • #48
  • Mar 19, 2015 9:01am Mar 19, 2015 9:01am
Quoting Sis.yphus
{quote} . one thing I like to remember in regard to bias is its hard to change your bias before you take the trade, but it should be very easy to change your bias after you take the trade .
Hey Sis, that's called "Hindsight"

Understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.

To see the event as having been predictable, despite there having been little or no objective basis for predicting it

Everything that is laid out in terms of psychology is reflected back on studies that already have been conducted hehe. A lot of this hit the nail on the head related to Forex. When I took my Social psychology class which talks about everything to do with this forum in situations like this and we even used Stock market examples. What we did was we conducted small experiments so everyone got a survey with things that are "almost common sense" in fact its things you don't know but feel pretty good at guessing so lets say for example they give you a question match it with the proper answer.. now what your thinking your doing is correct is wrong, NOT because the test is rigged, but because your going to use your biases (shortcuts) to pick the correct answer. At the end of the class 80% of students always picked the answer that their shortcuts led them too, right after that we do another survey which tests out the "Hindsight" the same 80% of people saying that oh they KNEW that even though they got the answer wrong it was still so easy to predict.

Now I've done a lot of psychology classes I'm short a few classes of a degree in Psych.. So I know all this the million dollar question does it make me different by knowing all this then the average person? In psychology they theorized that if you know all of this, you will be less likely to take shortcuts and be more open minded and yadayadayda so they did an experiment! Its funny cause all of this experiments were done in the 60's cause if they do them now would be tons of lawsuits. So experiments now are way toned down in psychology.

One experiment they did was they sat down with the people explained to them everything taught them the biases they explained the biases showed them everything and then proceeded with the experiment testing the biases and still people fell into the same bias traps even though everything was laid out on the table. The conclusion is its very hard to re-write the human brain some people are capable of doing it, but majority do not even if they have learned understood and etc.. The 2 steps still require to much energy and the brain says screw you, and gives up.

So one thing that can be done is to constantly acknowledge the 2 steps and NEVER pick the 1st conclusion.. The way I learned to do it is keep an open mind whenever I come to a conclusion I don't base its as being the final step, but I tell my self well there could be other reasons, explanations, possibility. I don't stop and think on all of them, I conclude without closing leaving open for more information for later, and as I receive information I will reexamine. That basically stops stereotyping, because I say well yes stereotype can be one of the conclusions, but there could be others too.

I'm going to leave with a funny video.. It was something we never "consciously" think about.. Ever wonder when we enter the elevator we always turn around and face the door face front. Why is that? ENJOY!

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  • #49
  • Mar 19, 2015 9:16am Mar 19, 2015 9:16am
Quoting palabara
{quote} Hey Sis, that's called "Hindsight" Understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed. To see the event as having been predictable, despite there having been little or no objective basis for predicting it Everything that is laid out in terms of psychology is reflected back on studies that already have been conducted hehe. A lot of this hit the nail on the head related to Forex. When I took my Social psychology class which talks about everything to do with this forum in situations like this and we even used Stock...
hahaha that was a great video palabara! Very interesting and funny to watch how the people just follow every one else in the elevator no matter what they were doing. I guess it is just in our human nature to be followers of the group as staying in groups is what allows us to survive. Speaking of following I wanted to clear up what I meant when I said "one thing I like to remember in regard to bias is its hard to change your bias before you take the trade, but it should be very easy to change your bias after you take the trade ."

I do not mean seeing the new bias in regards to any amount of predictability. I meant following the price against your bias, which creates the new bias. You are not trying to predict what the bias will be. You are following what the Bias currently is.

If you predict the bias to be up and it starts going down, the current bias is down, other wise it would have gone up. So just follow what it is doing now, going down. Sorry if I did not clear that up originally and if this doesnt clear it up enough. I feel as if I have properly butchered my explanation.

The key is not to predict at all & to follow.

A great post on this that explains the idea of following in much better words: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...58#post8121358

also i like what you said about always keeping 2 steps in mind instead of one to sort of balance your bias & The good thing is in trading there are always these 2 steps, up and down

sis.
  • #50
  • Mar 19, 2015 9:18am Mar 19, 2015 9:18am
I'll just bring up another point real quick.. I left my last post with "social conformity" Its an un-concussions event. In other words we don't think, when we succumb to group pressure. We don't stop and think jee the behavior of all this people is pressuring me to conform, we skip that and just go straight to conformity. Remember the time you were a teenager and smoked cig to be the cool kid. I DO! lol and cool I was

When I traded and was on FF I always felt to social conformity and many people do on FF. Lets say you go to EUR/USD thread right now and all that thread is about predictability of the next move, so right now I am on the fence for example on EUR/USD I go and see what others are saying and I read 10 posts all saying the Eur/USD going down and everyone grabbing positions short side.. Now next thing I know I have a position open for EUR/USD Short.. Because I fell into social conformity. I felt like this people knew info, I didn't and if I didn't open a position I will miss pips right now! God knows that got me burned so many times because as soon as market shifted everyone changed their bias from short to long.. and now your starting to feel confused but go along with it.. Your like okay well it didn't go down it must go up then I'll double up and get back my loss + profit ya awesome lets do it.. and let and be hold its going back down again.. You get the picture, yet the people still continue and the thread goes on and conformity hits hard at home.
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  • #51
  • Mar 19, 2015 9:25am Mar 19, 2015 9:25am
here is a list of biases lol just a tad

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
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  • #52
  • Mar 19, 2015 9:29am Mar 19, 2015 9:29am
Quoting palabara
I'll just bring up another point real quick.. I left my last post with "social conformity" Its an un-concussions event. In other words we don't think, when we succumb to group pressure. We don't stop and think jee the behavior of all this people is pressuring me to conform, we skip that and just go straight to conformity. Remember the time you were a teenager and smoked cig to be the cool kid. I DO! lol and cool I was When I traded and was on FF I always felt to social conformity and many people do on FF. Lets say you go to EUR/USD thread right...
SO TRUE!! It is amazing how humans always want to "fit in" even when it doesnt matter at all. The guy wanted to fit in with how every one else stands in the elevator, why? It wont affect his outcome of where the elevator is going at all. New traders want to fit in with every one in the interactive forum? Why it wont affect the out come of where the price is going at all. I never go to any of the interactive threads because like you said, it is every one and there magic 8 ball making predictions non stop. And for the trader in your example who follows the interactive thread for bias, needs to get out of there and go to the source... Follow The Price. Not what some unproven predictions jackaloons are posting in the interactive threads.

Quoting palabara
here is a list of biases lol just a tad http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases


Thank you very much for the wonderful link! Going to dive into reading about a lot of these more in depth this week.
  • #53
  • Mar 19, 2015 10:32am Mar 19, 2015 10:32am
Quoting Sis.yphus
{quote} SO TRUE!! It is amazing how humans always want to "fit in" even when it doesnt matter at all. The guy wanted to fit in with how every one else stands in the elevator, why? It wont affect his outcome of where the elevator is going at all. New traders want to fit in with every one in the interactive forum? Why it wont affect the out come of where the price is going at all. I never go to any of the interactive threads because like you said, it is every one and there magic 8 ball making predictions non stop. And for the trader in your example...
hehe most welcome nice to know my knowledge isn't going to waste. In essence though, I think knowing the things I know now. It helps in daily activities, by knowing your walking into a trap you can always stop yourself before you end up in it. There was another interesting experiment (actually their is tons of them lol) but this one can help traders possibly.. If you put a mirror over your trading station or like somewhere you work and you can see yourself in it.. whats the purpose of it seems silly doesn't it? But its been experimentally shown that when people are confronted with their self image they act "better" reason being is you see yourself obviously its a mirror so you act in a sort of different behavioral way so that your self imagine of yourself matches with what you see in the mirror. So you would straighten out your back flex your muscles.. ever wonder why they have so many mirrors in the gym? and everyone is pumping weights in front of them.. OooOoOO Psychology lol.

So in an experiment what they did was.. They had a class take a test and in front of the class their was a mirror now the test was pretty difficult and the instructor said well I'm leaving I'll be back in 45 mins. Now most people didn't cheat.. not because they thought it was a trick.. or it was cameras or hidden stuff, but because the mirror in front of the room when confronted with their self image they couldn't see themselves in the mirror cheating. You are confronted with yourself and you want to act the way you see yourself when you physically see your self. Of course a control group would be a classroom without a mirror.. and you can guess that more people cheated their then the class with the mirror. Its just hard wired into us our perception of ourselves and we typically as humans don't go against it instead we do the opposite and reinforce it.

hence people practice speeches and charisma and look at the mirror and confront themselves in all sort of ways from esteem issues to thinking that is one awesome pretty looking person looking at me lol.
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  • #54
  • Edited 11:16am Mar 19, 2015 10:57am | Edited 11:16am
hehe sorry, I know I am relentless but here is some more information.. What I personally find interesting and my idea of Forex its a game.. I always thought of it is a game, you have opponents. So in any game that must be played.. Their has to be strategies so this whole process is called "Game Theory" now Game theory is more or less can be described as playing a game with less then honest opponents, now you don't know this opponents are less honest or honest or not you assume they are and play the game at that level.

"What economists call game theory psychologists call the theory of social situations, which is an accurate description of what game theory is about. Although game theory is relevant to parlor games such as poker or bridge, most research in game theory focuses on how groups of people interact. There are two main branches of game theory: cooperative and noncooperative game theory. Noncooperative game theory deals largely with how intelligent individuals interact with one another in an effort to achieve their own goals. That is the branch of game theory I will discuss here."

More can be read here.

http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/whatis.htm

My wife gave a colorful example when I talked to her about it she said. Remember the movie the princess bride and when the dreaded pirate sits down with the the other villain guy.. Can't remember his name and he says lets play a game, and he says I have 2 chalices and one of them has poison.. You choose which one you wish to drink and will both drink at the same time. So he goes unto this whole speech of you knew what I would choose and this and that and reverses left and right lol for 10 mins he explains like this whole theory that's one example of game theory lol.

Just wish to add few more points.. I love chess not very good at it yet, lol need to put more time into it but the concept is solid and in Russia in the 60's if you were a chess master you might as well been Steven hawking so why am I saying Russia in the 60's because back then Russia was ahead of the curve now eh not so much.

In Chess for those who play every move has to make an impact, has to off balance the opponent the from the opening strategy all the way to leading to the final check mate.. Chess is a game where you can play offensively or defensively or even both.. The object is to protect your Kingdom. Your opponent is out to destroy you. So you need to counter attack or defend or offend or whatever it takes.. It requires knowing your opponent his moves against yours now whats interesting in chess is you can play different people each has their own techniques strategies mindset.

When I open a position in Forex, I have the current information. I can't tell the future I play based on information on hand, I then adjust accordingly as the markets make it plays, I can either defend or be offensive, there is a lot that can be done most people choose to do nothing, and I think there is a quote for that.

“Life is inherently risky. There is only one big risk you should avoid at all costs, and that is the risk of doing nothing.”
'Denis Waitley'
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  • #55
  • Edited 8:47pm Mar 19, 2015 4:21pm | Edited 8:47pm
Guys

This thread is just getting better and better. What a twisted scheming organ that brain is.....but then again, I couldn't do without it....literally.

P, your skills in behavioural psychology obviously are invaluable in this world of trading. It's great to see how you apply your professional skills to this trading world. :-)

PS The Princess Bride villain and his mind game with the hero was a favourite moment of mine...... as was the moment with Inigo Montoya...."You killed my father....prepare to die".


PPS That list of cognitive biases is formidable P. :-)
  • #56
  • Edited Mar 20, 2015 10:12am Mar 19, 2015 6:11pm | Edited Mar 20, 2015 10:12am
It might be time to stretch the thought train now into how our brain actually functions........and for that we can drill down into physics which cuts across most of the branches of science that in reality represent different manifestations of applied physics.

The brain is a magnificent processor of information that is made available to it by the senses. What we see as 'the reality' is restricted to the information that is made available to the brain and how the brain interprets this information to 'render' a reality that we believe to be representative of the actual world out there and hence why a 'bias' creeps into our thoughts as we tend to think our brain is an 'independent' rational interpreter and that our thoughts are logical. As a consequence, we automatically assume that the reality we observe is a fact and that has held well to survive on this planet. Of course the bottom line is that not everyone interprets the same reality for very specific reasons:
1. The information made available to the brain is 'frame' dependent and hence restricted to the limited domain of where the information has been sourced (or what we have been exposed to). This in actuality is further limited in scope to what is referred to in physics as our light cone or 'hubble volume':
2. How the brain interprets that information is based on pattern recognition and the recasting of that information into an observed reality based on cross-referencing that pattern against what has been stored in memory (learning). Actually there is some great studies that demonstrate that the brain may use fourier analysis to 'transform' the information received into a holographic interpretation of what is perceived (refer to Karl Pribram's work in this area).

The two factors above ensure that no two observers experience the exact same interpretation. Furthermore, since our thoughts guide our decisions and ultimate behaviour, you can see why the unique attributes asssociated with the 'human' trading decision when compounded by all the market participants leads to the stochastic nature of price movement. Given that there is an increased trend towards the use of EA's that do not suffer this disparity in information processing, we should actually see an increase in collective and coordinated decision that exacerbates the effect of 'Levy Flight' as technology improves and smoothes random volatility. Hence in my opinion...and this is very subjective.....the most simple pattern of price movement (being a trend) is here to stay for the long term but it's nature (average extent) will change.

Granted that EA's are just products of the human mind but with 'natural selection' over time the successful robots will multiply leading to a progressive increase in coordinated price action that will fundamentally disrupt the stochastic nature of the market with an increasing bias. We probably already are seeing this effect with a changing market. I wonder whether EA's will ultimately be the trader's worst enemy in that a battle in the zero sum game between EA's wil lead to a fundamental change in the market landscape.....which is sad for the good ol' manual trader like me.....but nothing that a well placed 'virus' can't fix just to level the playing field

For the human condition stated above, this is why, as great as the brain is in it's interpretation we MUST rely on other tools to ensure that a consistent 'interpretation' is enjoyed by all observers. We have found this in relativity and quantum mechanics and all applied sciences that extend from these fundamental theories to reflect what we term the 'reality'. The only reliable tool we have to plumb the stochastic nature of this market which is agreed on by all traders are the mathematics of statistics....otherwise you are simply interpreting 'clouds of illusions'.

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  • #57
  • Mar 19, 2015 6:42pm Mar 19, 2015 6:42pm
Very interesting, but makes sense
  • #58
  • Mar 19, 2015 7:45pm Mar 19, 2015 7:45pm
Quoting Copernicus
Guys This thread is just getting better and better. What a twisted scheming organ that brain is.....but then again, I couldn't do without it....literally. P, your skills in behavioural psychology obviously are invaluable in this world of trading. It's great to see how you apply your professional skills to this trading world. :-) PS The Princess Bride villain and his mind game with the hero was a favourite moment of mine...... as was the moment with Inigo Montoya...."You killed my father....prepare to die".
hehe thanks, I wouldn't say professional just took to many classes while being undecided for too long. I kept changing my majors like socks, wasn't sure what I really wanted to do ended up doing a little bit from a large pool, from criminology to psychology, to sciences, business lol. Sometimes its just hard to settle in life. Its nice to be able to contribute an intelligent thought. I primarily enjoy constantly learning.
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  • #59
  • Mar 19, 2015 7:58pm Mar 19, 2015 7:58pm
Quoting palabara
{quote} hehe thanks, I wouldn't say professional just took to many classes while being undecided for too long. I kept changing my majors like socks, wasn't sure what I really wanted to do ended up doing a little bit from a large pool, from criminology to psychology, to sciences, business lol. Sometimes its just hard to settle in life. Its nice to be able to contribute an intelligent thought. I primarily enjoy constantly learning.
You're telling me. I only started getting a grip on things very late in life after a few brain spasms and some unsettling times. Enough to develop a profound respect for it. Prior to those events I was all over the shop.....I *hope* those events don't reoccur but they can be 'life changing' so there is a silver lining to every cloud :-)
  • #60
  • Mar 19, 2015 10:38pm Mar 19, 2015 10:38pm
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Great discussion here...

Thought I would share this...

http://www.jst.go.jp/csc/virtual/find/mindlab/english/

I came across this in one of CrucialPoints posts but the link he posted is now broken (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...87#post7229787 )

Regards

Neio
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