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  • #41
  • Jan 4, 2015 8:58am Jan 4, 2015 8:58am
Quoting PrymeTyme
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You call activity imagination!!!.. when your actually doing something, it's called activity, far from imagination.
Road map.. thats your trading method that your actually diligently trading to find out it's potential... it's action not imagination..
Passion.. enthused about something that you actually find some likeability about it to take action on.. like fx market here or etc,.. for you probably would be chasing goat.
Passion, Persist, Patience, Protect
  • #42
  • Jan 4, 2015 9:25am Jan 4, 2015 9:25am
Quoting FXEmpire
{quote} You call activity imagination!!!.. when your actually doing something, it's called activity, far from imagination. Road map.. thats your trading method that your actually diligently trading to find out it's potential... it's action not imagination.. Passion.. enthused about something that you actually find some likeability about it to take action on.. like fx market here or etc,.. for you probably would be chasing goat.

lol , relax no offense here .. iam actually on your side ...


but imagination starts everything , one could say the thought was before everything

cheers

ps id rather stare at goats
  • #43
  • Jan 4, 2015 9:43am Jan 4, 2015 9:43am
Thoughts = Action.

Positive or negative thoughts are immaterial to the issue.

Repetition of thought instils belief and will enforce an image/persona you have of yourself which will further enforce actions that will contribute further to the self image.

It really boils down to Goal Oriented Action Planning. If you don't have a goal you are less likely to achieve what you want to achieve. A goal helps to enable the repetition of thought leading to repetition of action oriented towards the goal. Goals within an overall goal make the process of achieving consistency of thought required to enable the correct action more easily manageable.

Without the correct knowledge in the first place your goal will be difficult to achieve. The many micro goals within the larger goal must plan to seek the correct knowledge for the larger goal to become achievable.

Anything else is just bull but suckers will fall for the positive energy fantasies because Goal Oriented action planning sounds just too boring. Thinking logically, its just too boring.

People would rather spend thousands of dollars being bedazzled by Tony Robbins teeth than think logically.
  • #44
  • Jan 4, 2015 9:48am Jan 4, 2015 9:48am
Quoting PrymeTyme
{quote} lol , relax no offense here .. iam actually on your side ... but imagination starts everything , one could say the thought was before everything
Quoting Porkpie
Thoughts = Action. Positive or negative thoughts are immaterial to the issue. ....... The many micro goals within the larger goal must plan to seek the correct knowledge for the larger goal to become achievable. Anything else is just bull but suckers will fall for the positive energy fantasies because Goal Oriented action planning sounds just too boring. Thinking logically, its just too boring. People would rather spend thousands of dollars being bedazzled by Tony Robbins teeth than think logically.
Pretty much says it all.

Next topic Chicky? ....
Ghost Rider - WWTBMD?
  • #45
  • Jan 4, 2015 9:53am Jan 4, 2015 9:53am
Quoting PrymeTyme
{quote} lol , relax no offense here .. iam actually on your side ... but imagination starts everything , one could say the thought was before everything cheers ps id rather stare at goats
No worries I am just f-ing with you.

Imagination without diligent action it's la la land.

Good luck this year.
Passion, Persist, Patience, Protect
  • #46
  • Jan 4, 2015 10:24am Jan 4, 2015 10:24am
As a licensed building contractor wanting to build something for myself or someone who has hired me, the "thought" of building something comes from the imagination first. For someone wanting a home for their family to live in is a positive thing. It keeps one safe from the elements. So wanting to build a home starts with a thought, a positive thought. And the after the positive thought, positive action takes place.

The same goes for trading. I want to take control of my retirement back from this broker, or make extra income or whatever. This is a positive thought because you want to do something good for yourself or your family. So then you act on that thought. The thought is first and you want a positive result. So positive thought/positive action.

I know you are talking about the book here, but it seems like the book is trying to train people on how to think more positively and act on it.

What is wrong with positive thoughts or being positive? Only someone negative or someone wanting bad things would have a problem with something positive. Do you all want bad things for yourselves and your families? No, you probably want good things.

I am in no way taking up for this book, I am standing behind positive thought which leads to positive actions because that is want I want for myself, my family, and fellow man.
  • #47
  • Jan 4, 2015 10:28am Jan 4, 2015 10:28am
Very interesting thread, but almost completely useless.
I'm not going to comment on how to make a million dollars from $1000. I will say however that a lot of what you gain in life comes from pragmatism.
Money never sleeps.
  • #48
  • Jan 4, 2015 11:05am Jan 4, 2015 11:05am
Chivky, have you ever read Napoleen Hill, or W, Clement Stone, or Dale Carnegie, or any of the other PMA writers? You have to do more than just think positive. You have to take action and have a plan and go out and "make things happen. All you are doing by posting crap like this is displaying your prejudice and ignorance. Ah, can't read anymore of it or this thread!!
Quoting Chicky
Positive thinking is the only bullshit philosophy that America has contributed to human thought – nothing else. Dale Carnegie, Napoleon Hill, and the Christian priest, Vincent Peale – all these people have filled the whole American mind with this absolutely absurd idea of a positive philosophy. And it appeals particularly to mediocre minds. Dale Carnegie’s book, HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE, has been sold in numbers just next to the Christian Bible. No other book has been able to reach that popularity. The Christian Bible should not be...
  • #49
  • Jan 4, 2015 11:12am Jan 4, 2015 11:12am
Well, Voro, most threads at FF are completely useless. But Chicky does have a right to sound off, as we all do. And Chicky's correct - this "power of postive thinking" or "law of attraction" is total nonsense gibberish. Success in any field comes through hard work and talent. Trading is no different. I would not have even responded to this thread except that lately I've seen so-called forex courses that teach positive-thinking, which of course is garbage. So Chicky provided a useful outlet for me to blow off a little steam. Without mentioning names, there's a guy posting such nonsense at forextell and I've been quite happy to reply to his posts there lambasting his chicanery with gusto.
  • #50
  • Jan 4, 2015 11:16am Jan 4, 2015 11:16am
Sorry for my post. All I can say is that about 30 years ago, Think and Grow Rich changed my life.

No more post to this thread.
  • #51
  • Jan 4, 2015 11:26am Jan 4, 2015 11:26am
Nothing at all matters except to be the observer. You are not who you think you are. Identify with the observer not the brain.
We are all One. Be present. Be the Observer
  • #52
  • Jan 4, 2015 11:27am Jan 4, 2015 11:27am
You got a wild tiger chasing after you for his next prey... do you need positive thinking/imagination in order to know that you need to survive the situation with him up your ass!!... No, you need prompt action. The whole situation is negative and you need to survive it just like the everyday market... you just need to act and react for the best.
.. here is the market... you know why your interested in it... you need to win in order to survive, eat or make a killing.. you just do it, and pretty much everything else good or bad falls in place afterward, thats where positivity actually comes, its created and not imagined.
This is far from being negative... it's either and irrelevant.

One can only be positive about something that knows the outcome before hand, rest is just nothing but pipe dream.
Passion, Persist, Patience, Protect
  • #53
  • Jan 4, 2015 11:43am Jan 4, 2015 11:43am
Most Humans are not Happy with themselves...........therefore they can not stay focused. (example : FOREX)

To always live with positive thoughts and move forward, and let the negative thoughts go immediately (this takes practice), is best for the human demeanor.

It takes hard work and consistency for a human to grow into the next level of maturity or success. No Pain, No Gain......

It always amazes me the amount of time it takes for humans to learn new skills...... months and years most times.

If you get paid for what you are doing, then you are a professional at it. If you are not getting paid yet (FOREX) you are not a professional yet and are still on that journey to become one, or if it does not suit you, you change professions..............

Humans complicate Life most times, Luck is the out come of hard work and learning your profession. The word "Luck" derives from positive or negative thinking. Good Luck and Bad Luck............

As for FOREX, the basics are recognizing the trend and patterns that give you profit consistently. all other patterns you stay away from.

Only 20% to 30% of the time the market gives you opportunity for trading. You should not be in the market all the time, unless you have a profitable trade currently and are riding it for larger gains..............

Stick with one pattern and one pair and get really, really, good with it. It's kind like dating one girl and getting to know her really well, but when you date a bunch of girls and get to know just a little of each of one, then you don't remember which little things go to each girl after time, you start floundering and lose in the end.................

The more you Learn, the more you Earn..............

More Later...................
The More You Learn, The More You Earn.....
  • #54
  • Jan 4, 2015 12:04pm Jan 4, 2015 12:04pm
A round of applause for Chicky, you are spot on on everything youve just written. But none of this was taught to me, i had to find out and come to this realization by myself..strange right?..when i started to analyze what the working life really is about i came to a conclusion: its simply and illusion. You are dellusioned into feeling that you matter..as long as your a sheep and bring in the profits for somebody else. You are dellusioned that its the way you should live your life, but when you look closer..you will spend your whole life doing the same thing..with no progress..and hearing the same story "that your important to our corporation", with possibly not even a rise till you retire by the time your old and grey. Some people will understand this, and the majority just simply wont.
YOUR MOTHERS ASS
  • #55
  • Jan 4, 2015 1:44pm Jan 4, 2015 1:44pm
Ill just leave this here....


"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein

"Take up one idea. Make that one idea your life--think of it, dream of it, live on that idea. Let the brain, muscles, nerves, every part of your body, be full of that idea, and just leave every other idea alone. This is the way to success." Swami Vivekananda

"Stop chasing the money and start chasing the passion." Tony Hsieh

"All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them." Walt Disney

"Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

"Opportunities don't happen. You create them." Chris Grosser

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin

"The whole secret of a successful life is to find out what is one's destiny to do, and then do it." Henry Ford

"What seems to us as bitter trials are often blessings in disguise." Oscar Wilde

"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." Thomas Jefferson

"The starting point of all achievement is desire." Napoleon Hill

"Success is the sum of small efforts, repeated day-in and day-out." Robert Collier

"You may only succeed if you desire succeeding; you may only fail if you do not mind failing." Philippos

"We become what we think about most of the time, and that's the strangest secret." Earl Nightingale

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." Mark Twain

"You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backward. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something--your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life." Steve Jobs

"Nobody ever wrote down a plan to be broke, fat, lazy, or stupid. Those things are what happen when you don't have a plan." Larry Winget

"Be content to act, and leave the talking to others." Baltasar

"Be patient with yourself. Self-growth is tender; it's holy ground. There's no greater investment." Stephen Covey

"Successful and unsuccessful people do not vary greatly in their abilities. They vary in their desires to reach their potential." John Maxwell

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning." Albert Einstein

"The difference between winning and losing is most often not quitting." Walt Disney

"When you cease to dream you cease to live." Malcolm Forbes

"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

"If you love what you do and are willing to do what it takes, it's within your reach. And it'll be worth every minute you spend alone at night, thinking and thinking about what it is you want to design or build." Steve Wozniak
  • #56
  • Jan 4, 2015 3:29pm Jan 4, 2015 3:29pm
Quoting PrymeTyme
Ill just leave this here.... "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein "Take up one idea. Make that one idea your life--think of it, dream of it, live on that idea. Let the brain, muscles, nerves, every part of your body, be full of that idea, and just leave every other idea alone. This is the way to success." Swami Vivekananda "Stop chasing the money and start chasing the passion." Tony Hsieh "All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them." Walt Disney "Success is walking from failure...

I love positive thinkers.........they taste nice. "Hannibal Lecter".
  • #57
  • Jan 4, 2015 3:39pm Jan 4, 2015 3:39pm
Quoting Copernicus
{quote} I love positive thinkers.........they taste nice. "Hannibal Lecter".

D.P.
Hunting High and Low
  • #58
  • Jan 4, 2015 3:47pm Jan 4, 2015 3:47pm
Chicky what have they put in your Christmas cake this year ?., your not suppose to eat it all at once you know. America is not the first location on Earth cashing in on the concept of positive thinking and if memory servers me Donald Duck wasn’t exactly positive in mathmagic land. I know you wanna shake it up and pointing your finger got some of the gurus to contribute but seriously dude if have scoffed the whole cake you should make another one asap and have a chat with the ever shrinking grey matter ...bon appetit
  • #59
  • Jan 4, 2015 5:51pm Jan 4, 2015 5:51pm
Quoting EasyRyder
Chivky, have you ever read Napoleen Hill, or W, Clement Stone, or Dale Carnegie, or any of the other PMA writers? You have to do more than just think positive. You have to take action and have a plan and go out and "make things happen. All you are doing by posting crap like this is displaying your prejudice and ignorance. Ah, can't read anymore of it or this thread!! {quote}
LOL. I agree there is much more in it than just thinking positively. These are not my words. I came across this and decided to copy here.

It was so unfortunate for me not to speak English language until 15 or so years ago. I missed a lot of good reading as a young woman. However, I used to read translation of Dale Carnegie in my teens. Yes, I "tried" to read Secret and Think and Grow Rich, but still cannot figure out where it starts and where ends.

I have a different philosophy about this concept. Trying to put my thoughts in writing as a chapter in my book. There will be three more chapters linked to this chapter, describing exactly what you mentioned............................... But why I am writing this? You are not going to read this post anyway.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #60
  • Jan 4, 2015 5:57pm Jan 4, 2015 5:57pm
Quoting Squiggles
Chicky what have they put in your Christmas cake this year ?., your not suppose to eat it all at once you know. America is not the first location on Earth cashing in on the concept of positive thinking and if memory servers me Donald Duck wasn’t exactly positive in mathmagic land. I know you wanna shake it up and pointing your finger got some of the gurus to contribute but seriously dude if have scoffed the whole cake you should make another one asap and have a chat with the ever shrinking grey matter ...bon appetit
Americans have done some very great things, including transmitting images from first moon landing with only 32 KB, even today you need 64 MB to transmit these images, but at the same time they have also missed (and messed) many a things. One such thing is Positive Thinking. You can do what Positive Thinking can do with only Thinking, no need for "Positive".
The Thief of Wall Street
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