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  • #21
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:14am Dec 5, 2014 9:14am
Quoting BobMorane
{quote} its your opinion i respect that but see it quite different, all the information he gave before were for me already worth more than these 250 bucks, and now he is selling a complete dash for this + training and temps. the entries were given before and everybody could check and trade the entries which already a lot of people did with success. other uses already proved the numbers but however who wants to be successful in this business and is complaining about 250 bucks will get a hard time for sure. This money is only to get the investment...
Bob...You are completely missing the point here. If you want to sell something, you need to prove it's worth...PERIOD. A few people saying..oh, he helped me so much or this and that......bottom line is is what he is selling worth XXX dollars or Euros. In my opinion, if you want to sell a method / system of trading here, it is quite simple....trade it in a live TE and prove it has a positive expectancy...end of conversation. Anything other than that is nothing but snake oil sales.

Please see my thread about positive expectancy.....it is proof positive that there are people here selling things that WILL NOT make you any money...and at best will lose your money slowly. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=516419


In the case of Eitan or vigovski...if someone could simply provide real proof that yes, I paid XXX for this system and I have made XXX dollars trading it and have real proof...then a mistake might have been made......Otherwise...snake oil sales

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  • #22
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:15am Dec 5, 2014 9:15am
Quoting BobMorane
{quote} its your opinion i respect that but see it quite different, all the information he gave before were for me already worth more than these 250 bucks, and now he is selling a complete dash for this + training and temps. the entries were given before and everybody could check and trade the entries which already a lot of people did with success. other users already proved the numbers but however who wants to be successful in this business and is complaining about 250 bucks will get a hard time for sure. This money is only to get the investment...
I havent try one of his product because I saw him trade in the past and I can tell you that his system is no good. Like I said before,both him and Eitan had a "Revolutionary system" yet when it came to trading on demo ( Not even live) they didnt well at all. Vigovsky open many trade explorer over the past and THEY ALL WENT BUST, yet he is selling a system here and whoever tries to complain is blocked.

I do not know the exact reason of his ban, but Im pretty sure its for the same reason as Eitan since they both had the same practices
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  • #23
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:18am Dec 5, 2014 9:18am
Vigovski had more than 5 trade explorer her. They all went bust but he is still selling. Where is the logic here.

You dont understand that the Mods here are trying to help you. And for those who point out that its unfair and that he was a nice guy :

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A con artist may appear quite pleasant and/or helpful. This tactic helps them stay under the radar, adds another facet to their plausible deniability ('He
wouldn't do that. He's a good guy!'), and this helps them build up followers who will defend them against skeptics. One to one, this facade of innocence is a
personal defense without having to apply any effort. Normal people don't usually challenge/attack innocent people, so it often takes a long time for this type of
con to get called out
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  • #24
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:27am Dec 5, 2014 9:27am
Quoting Daimari
{quote} There is no difference between this crowd and the one that followed Jacko. dont know who Jacko is.... well do some research. Let me add to this, Im not saying that Vigovski was a lier or a scammer,but his friend Eitan was. Eitan got banned and Vigovski was selling a product simular to him and block people like he did.... maybe thats why he was banned! The Mods here are quite patient and always do an investigation before banning anyone. If he did something bad they would know better than you.
Just let me know,

- if Eitan is a liar, all people around him are a liars as well?
- Is it pretty weird that there are more people trying to protect Vigovski's works than others against him, do not you think so? (Even more i do not know about anyone against him )

my two cents...
  • #25
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:28am Dec 5, 2014 9:28am
Quoting wind.rpha
{quote} Just let me know, - if Eitan is a liar, all people around him are a liars as well? - Is it pretty weird that there are more people trying to protect Vigovski's works than others against him, do not you think so? (Even more i do not know about anyone against him ) my two cents...
Maybe you dont know anything about him at all...........

No one knew anything about Jacko..
wait you dont know who Jacko is.... do some research, you will be surprise and see the world with a different eye
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  • #26
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:29am Dec 5, 2014 9:29am
Quoting wind.rpha
{quote} Just let me know, - if Eitan is a liar, all people around him are a liars as well? - Is it pretty weird that there are more people trying to protect Vigovski's works than others against him, do not you think so? (Even more i do not know about anyone against him ) my two cents...
wind....please see and read my response to Bob below....lets base this on mathematical facts...if you cannot prove that you can make money with a method...then you should not be selling it!! PERIOD
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  • #27
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:31am Dec 5, 2014 9:31am
Quoting Daimari
{quote} Maybe you dont know anything about him at all...........
So you have been on the board 3 yrs but all of the sudden had to change your name in September. I find that kind of interesting..... So your 3 year name we are supposed to take you at your word that you have been around for 3 yrs. I can say I have been around 25 yrs and just opened this new name in August.
  • #28
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:32am Dec 5, 2014 9:32am
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  • #29
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:35am Dec 5, 2014 9:35am
Quoting DXanatos
{quote} So you have been on the board 3 yrs but all of the sudden had to change your name in September. I find that kind of interesting..... So your 3 year name we are supposed to take you at your word that you have been around for 3 yrs. I can say I have been around 25 yrs and just opened this new name in August.
No I have been around here for about 3 years but I simply didnt register. I simply used the economic callendar and read the posts. I also read other forum but I dont sign up to every forum I read.
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  • #30
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:36am Dec 5, 2014 9:36am
Why is it that when you mention mathematical proof....everyone goes silent...Hmmmmm
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  • #31
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:38am Dec 5, 2014 9:38am
Quoting DXanatos
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Dx, was you talking about the brain? For some "student" in this thread that neither trade on Demo but that like to badmouth people that trade live since decades and even manages with success big funds, well it applies perfectly ..
  • #32
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:40am Dec 5, 2014 9:40am
Quoting swingtrade65
Why is it that when you mention mathematical proof....everyone goes silent...Hmmmmm
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  • #33
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:41am Dec 5, 2014 9:41am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Dx, was you talking about the brain? For some "student" in this thread that neither trade on Demo but that like to badmouth people that trade live since decades and even manages with success big funds, well it applies perfectly ..
So...show us your LIVE TE where you made so much money with these methods...then we will believe....until then...snake oil sales and the sheep that follow
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  • #34
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:42am Dec 5, 2014 9:42am
Quoting claudia1
{quote} Ask DB​
Claudia....you just threw petrol on a forest fire...LOLOLOL
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  • #35
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:43am Dec 5, 2014 9:43am
Quoting swingtrade65
{quote} wind....please see and read my response to Bob below....lets base this on mathematical facts...if you cannot prove that you can make money with a method...then you should not be selling it!! PERIOD
First of do not mesh Eitian and Vigo together. Secondly if you want to discuss math let us embark on that journey. there are 28 Currency pairs on this dashboard with 15 different indicators. He provided the opportunity to see all of this on one screen. With out draining the CPU resources in MT4. Furthermore a trade explorer can be manipulated by putting a martingale strategy there. Trading is about learning, utilize the tools to make the best decision possible. If he clearly stated it was not a system just a tool to ameliorate or bolster strategies that traders are already using how has he mislead anyone. If you are a swingtrader the information is useful. If you are a fib trader the information is useful if you are a countertrend trader the information is useful. Never once did he imply that he was using a system or even supporting the use of one. It is a succinct layout of the current state the market and what pairs are doing.
  • #36
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:44am Dec 5, 2014 9:44am
Quoting swingtrade65
Why is it that when you mention mathematical proof....everyone goes silent...Hmmmmm

Math proof attached...going to attach something to my signature for all you naysayers,ok?

P.S. TE attached..no need to do it from my signature anymore ...see start of the thread
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  • #37
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:47am Dec 5, 2014 9:47am
Quoting DXanatos
{quote} First of do not mesh Eitian and Vigo together. Secondly if you want to discuss math let us embark on that journey. there are 28 Currency pairs on this dashboard with 15 different indicators. He provided the opportunity to see all of this on one screen. With out draining the CPU resources in MT4. Furthermore a trade explorer can be manipulated by putting a martingale strategy there. Trading is about learning, utilize the tools to make the best decision possible. If he clearly stated it was not a system just a tool to ameliorate or bolster...
Sure Pal...let us embark on that journey.....15 different indicators that tell you what? show us how that translates to actual money? I only lumped them together because of the uproar....however if you want to play statistical jeopardy...be my guest....I have nothing to hide and and for sure am not selling ANYTHING here.....just trying to bring a voice of reason.
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  • #38
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:47am Dec 5, 2014 9:47am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Math proof attached...going to attach something to my signature for all you naysayers,ok? {image}
and then what happened the day after... busted. Thats exactly what happen to the previous explorers and this is whats is going to happen to anyone who follow his system.
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  • #39
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:49am Dec 5, 2014 9:49am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Math proof attached...going to attach something to my signature for all you naysayers,ok? P.S. TE attached..no need to do it from my signature anymore ...see start of the thread {image}
If you go look at my live TE...you will see why I am NOT impressed...but nice try Enjoy your day
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  • #40
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:50am Dec 5, 2014 9:50am
Quoting DXanatos
{quote} First of do not mesh Eitian and Vigo together. Secondly if you want to discuss math let us embark on that journey. there are 28 Currency pairs on this dashboard with 15 different indicators. He provided the opportunity to see all of this on one screen. With out draining the CPU resources in MT4. Furthermore a trade explorer can be manipulated by putting a martingale strategy there. Trading is about learning, utilize the tools to make the best decision possible. If he clearly stated it was not a system just a tool to ameliorate or bolster...
Great, since you he has such a nice system that his worth paying for, why dont you open a trade explorer and prove once and for all that we the "naysayer" are wrong.
Dukascopy offer you the same services but they dont charge you anything.
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