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  • #6,101
  • Edited 2:50am Dec 3, 2014 2:32am | Edited 2:50am
So, CREE ER's 1/19, it puts on a good i.v. crush and the rush starts 3-4 weeks pre-ER, usually. Poor bid/ask spread and odd division on the strikes, though - I may look at it a little later in the month, probably better candidates.
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  • #6,102
  • Dec 3, 2014 3:12am Dec 3, 2014 3:12am
GLD double diagonal would be great if gold would just pin on $1,200 for next couple weeks. That'd be GLD $115. See in the vid the peculiar P/L behavior - max P is at the midpoint of the DD up until 3 dte, the characteristic double humps only develop in the last 2 days before expiry. Gold catching some bids in overnight trade, I need to be on guard against moves much north of $1,230 or so...

http://screencast.com/t/fjTKCPPE0OiL
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  • #6,103
  • Edited 9:48am Dec 3, 2014 6:51am | Edited 9:48am
Quoting The Fool
https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/shows/...w?locale=en-US L&J discuss setting up calendars in stocks that have earnings coming on in the Jan-Feb cycle, something I have on my list to get crackin on this week.
Mmmm, my favorite traders will watch that later.

Add-on
To be honest, I would prefer your version for binary events... like that on EWZ, cheap, very cheap calendars, preferably under $0.10 ...



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Is it good enough for IBM to bounce?
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  • #6,104
  • Dec 3, 2014 6:56am Dec 3, 2014 6:56am
Quoting The Fool
So, CREE ER's 1/19, it puts on a good i.v. crush and the rush starts 3-4 weeks pre-ER, usually. Poor bid/ask spread and odd division on the strikes, though - I may look at it a little later in the month, probably better candidates. {image}
IV crush from tt list
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  • #6,105
  • Edited 9:31am Dec 3, 2014 8:36am | Edited 9:31am
Quoting StrayDog
Looking at ANF (ER's tomorrow BMO) .... It had outlier moves - more than 20% in either direction before. So, since IVR is already at 85... maybe some $1 wide credit spread? .....
ANF moved just a little to the downside - you never really know with this retailers.
That ANF 28.5/29.5 bear call spread is positive now (I didn't get filled yesterday ).... BUT bid/ask spread is just awful... -0.30 / 0.03
On the other hand - my first idea was short strangle 25/32 - BUT I didn't want that... It was $0.61 credit, now under $0.10.

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After first hour of RTH, ANF is rising (was down only at open), bear call spread would be negative now, strangle remains the same...
Short strangle seems to regularly outperform any other credit play for ER's
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  • #6,106
  • Edited 9:31am Dec 3, 2014 9:18am | Edited 9:31am
Quoting StrayDog
Moody's lowers Amazon outlook to negative from prior stable, reaffirms Baa1 rating......
1) I am in AMZN Jan 345/350 bear call spread for $1.35 credit. 47 DTE. .....
That was 2 days ago... I was right to be bearish... closed that today, but too early . I will tap myself over shoulder for idea.

Now (50 min after open) it trades for $0.75... Lost 40% of value in just 2 days. It was Jan expiry, 47 DTE.
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  • #6,107
  • Dec 3, 2014 11:19am Dec 3, 2014 11:19am
Quoting StrayDog
{quote} IV crush from tt list {image}
cool list, thanks for that....it's still a little early to go in on some Jan/Feb earnings cycle calendars, but I will be looking those over...
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  • #6,108
  • Dec 3, 2014 11:28am Dec 3, 2014 11:28am
Quoting StrayDog
To be honest, I would prefer your version for binary events... like that on EWZ, cheap, very cheap calendars, preferably under $0.10 ...
Oh definitely, only those situations like EWZ & the Brazilian election, where the calendar front month iv skews heavily over the back month, do not pop up every day - but it is something to keep in mind and look for. And as we have discussed, such scenarios arise in the earnings cycle iv patterns. A really juicy binary event is always worth inspection for some skew opps...

re: IBM - with IVR <20%, I have been looking at IBM as a calendar candidate, but I don't like the options pricing, will pass on it...
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  • #6,109
  • Dec 3, 2014 11:42am Dec 3, 2014 11:42am
I've got a lot of resistance at 89.18 on the $index for it to get through at the first attempt so I'm looking for a fall back, looking to take a cheap put option on the DIA, DOW etf
  • #6,110
  • Dec 3, 2014 11:45am Dec 3, 2014 11:45am
Quoting Cecil Gee
I've got a lot of resistance at 89.18 on the $index for it to get through at the first attempt so I'm looking for a fall back, looking to take a cheap put option on the DIA, DOW etf
DIA Dec 2014 177.500 put (DIA141205P00177500)
-OPR
0.26 https://s.yimg.com/lq/i/us/fi/03rd/down_r.gif 0.13(32.50%) 17:25

if I can get in for 20c or lower today I'm taking the risk
  • #6,111
  • Dec 3, 2014 12:07pm Dec 3, 2014 12:07pm
Hey CG, market might tank if the ECB does not throw it the QE bone. $/JPY 120.0 looking large, one of the market sages I recall said that would be a turning point. Whatever.

If the ECB holds off on QE and then the FOMC gets a little hawkish with the rate rise "forward guidance" next week, we could see some serious downside action into December expiry. So, I think a cheap index put should wrap out to Dec opex, at least. Maybe even better, go lower with a Dec/Jan calendar or diagonal....
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  • #6,112
  • Dec 3, 2014 12:42pm Dec 3, 2014 12:42pm
Quoting The Fool
Hey CG, market might tank if the ECB does not throw it the QE bone. $/JPY 120.0 looking large, one of the market sages I recall said that would be a turning point. Whatever. If the ECB holds off on QE and then the FOMC gets a little hawkish with the rate rise "forward guidance" next week, we could see some serious downside action into December expiry. So, I think a cheap index put should wrap out to Dec opex, at least. Maybe even better, go lower with a Dec/Jan calendar or diagonal....
Yeah... and I will not risk VIX jumping, so I have closed my AAPL short strangle. Will monitor things tomorrow and on Friday for possible similar oportunities.

Quoting StrayDog
..... AAPL 2) Looking to exploit vol crush after sellof in AAPL, IVR jumped to 65 - I entered 1 SD short strangle, Jan 104.29/127.14 for $1.90 credit.
I bought to close that strangle for $1.32. It has lost 30% of value in 2 days, solely to vol crush, IVR dropped from 65 to 45, so managing a winner and freeing some margin.
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  • #6,113
  • Dec 3, 2014 1:04pm Dec 3, 2014 1:04pm
Two really good videos about vol skew, both from yesterday...

IV Per Strike (skip first 6.5 min of chit-chat )

and

The Simplicity of Vol Skew

Example of inverted skew - BABA, equidistant calls are more expensive than puts. (We had that already on YHOO)
Normal skew is when equidistant puts are more expensive than calls, like on SPY.
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  • #6,114
  • Dec 3, 2014 1:22pm Dec 3, 2014 1:22pm
Quoting StrayDog
{quote} Yeah... and I will not risk VIX jumping, so I have closed my AAPL short strangle...
Yeah, I'm mindful of that, too, although I think Draghi will say enough Thur. I think the real risk is on a bit of hawk from the FOMC. Anyway, I am watching AAPL and if it will break back above $116 my Dec vertical will be worth about $50 net and I might call it good enuf
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  • #6,115
  • Dec 3, 2014 1:32pm Dec 3, 2014 1:32pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-e...lusterStock%29

"Credit Suisse are one of the only institutions expecting a full QE announcement tomorrow."
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  • #6,116
  • Dec 3, 2014 2:35pm Dec 3, 2014 2:35pm
BABA put calendar example... IVR low, only 11, Inverted skew.

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POP is low, debit high... but no analyzer can predict future IVR, so in case BABA really goes down, that would automatically ramp up volatility...
I will keep this in mind for some other stocks, where calendars would be cheaper. Since it is Jan/March, she can in theory sell that front option multiple times. I personally don't have patience for that, but 2 months difference could be good.
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  • #6,117
  • Dec 3, 2014 2:42pm Dec 3, 2014 2:42pm
BABA put calendar too spendy, I could do multiple (potentially profitable) positions for that debit. I like calendars, but they have to come in cheap. If you are good and/or lucky you can leg in - buy the back strikes first and then catch a move to sell the front strikes for as close as possible to a wash or even a net credit. Easier said tan done...
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  • #6,118
  • Dec 3, 2014 2:47pm Dec 3, 2014 2:47pm
Quoting The Fool
BABA put calendar too spendy, I could do multiple (potentially profitable) positions for that debit. I like calendars, but they have to come in cheap. ...
Exactly. That example is good as a concept.

Quoting The Fool
If you are good and/or lucky you can leg in - buy the back strikes first and then catch a move to sell the front strikes for as close as possible to a wash or even a net credit. Easier said tan done...
Easier said than done, I agree...

Anyways, I am waiting for tomorrow and Friday all in cash.
I had some difficulties with TWTR Jan 35/49 short strangle, because I did it in low IVR...
After modification - rolling 49 calls to 45 calls for credit, I have closed that now for a total of scratch .
Maybe tomorrow nothing will happen and VIX glides under 12... or maybe it will rise, so I can reload some positions or find another ones. But I will not play a guessing game with open naked positions.
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  • #6,119
  • Dec 3, 2014 2:49pm Dec 3, 2014 2:49pm
Hooray....., another new SnP high, VXX/UVXY at new lows.
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  • #6,120
  • Dec 3, 2014 2:56pm Dec 3, 2014 2:56pm
Quoting StrayDog
... After modification - rolling 49 calls to 45 calls for credit, I have closed that now for a total of scratch . Maybe tomorrow nothing will happen and VIX glides under 12... or maybe it will rise, so I can reload some positions or find another ones. But I will not play a guessing game with open naked positions.
Well done. I am letting AAPL vertical ride. Everything else I have active is hedged - calendars and verticals in SPY, IWM, PBR, EEM, etc. Only that GLD double diagonal open to rad risk. Hoping to get that into next week safely... Ciao, peeps, trade safe.
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