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  • #26,141
  • Dec 1, 2014 3:31pm Dec 1, 2014 3:31pm
Quoting FxAndres
GBPUSD short. No demand near to sma 21 down trend lets see. {image}
pretty great position man, just one question, what are you looking for in the volume bars when you open that position?
a very big one or something?
  • #26,142
  • Dec 1, 2014 6:40pm Dec 1, 2014 6:40pm
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Just vsa trading. couple days
Trading 24/h
  • #26,143
  • Dec 2, 2014 7:45am Dec 2, 2014 7:45am
Quoting FxAndres
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Well done mate!! Always good to see people find succes with vsa
  • #26,144
  • Edited 8:29am Dec 2, 2014 7:45am | Edited 8:29am
I really do not see myself as a VSA trader rather as a trend trader that uses VSA

(A) But one of the most important points in VSA is call the rule of 3 and I see no one using it
We need to see SOS or SOW on 3 charts

(B) There is another standard rule in trading I have never seen it taught in VSA but it is kind of used by all the teachers
and its called the rule of 4 (1/4 to 1/6) - this means 1/4 to 1/6 is best
This rule states you want the charts to be a 1/4 of the one above so e. 4 hour 1 hour(1/4) 15 min (1/4)

Month - (1/4)week - day(1/5)
Week - day (1/5) - 4 hour(1/6)

So 30min - 15min(1/2) is not the best - Rather 60min - 15 min(1/4) is better
In a pinch - hour - 15 min (1/4)- 5 min (1/3) might have to do

Here is a trade I took 37 pips
(a) hour chart
1. Trend is down
2. We see a TOS (Take out strength)

(b) 15 min (1/4)
1. Trend is down
2. we see a Climatic Buying
3. we see 1 2 3
4 we see other SOW

(c) 3 min (1/4)
1. trend is down
2. we see two clear SOW
3. both are sell entries
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  • #26,145
  • Dec 2, 2014 7:54am Dec 2, 2014 7:54am
Quoting TEB63
I really do not see my self as a VSA trader rather as a trend trader that uses VSA (A) But one of the most important points in VSA is call the rule of 3 and I see no one using it We need to see SOS or SOW on 3 charts (B) There is another standard rule in trading I have never seen it taught in VSA but it is kind of used by all the teachers and its called the rule of 4 (4 to 6) This rule states you want the charts to be a 1/4 of the one above so e. 4 hour 1 hour 15 min so a 1/4 to 1/6 is best Month - week - day week - day - 4 hour so 15 and 30 is...
Ah good post TEB,

In gavins book he talks about how he grades trades according to larger TF's confluence, and vsa principles.

I myself make use of what I call "the 8 factors of a winning trade", Ive seen whenever 6 out of these 8 are present the probability is very high.

Everyone should have factors as to IF THIS then THAT rules. I think VSA is a poor strategy in the middle of ranges and areas with no trend. As to thats why I need these factors to make sure I look for trades in the areas where vsa is great.

My 5c, evaluate it and use it if you will or improve on it if you please

Cheers
  • #26,146
  • Dec 2, 2014 9:47am Dec 2, 2014 9:47am
Quoting pete148
{quote} Well done mate!! Always good to see people find succes with vsa
VSA is the only thing that gives us total understanding the mood of market. the other important thing is probability. The last gives us understanding where to find the extremums, the reverse point. The third thing is time within a trading day.

Best,
D.P.
Hunting High and Low
  • #26,147
  • Edited 11:11am Dec 2, 2014 10:46am | Edited 11:11am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} VSA is the only thing that gives us total understanding the mood of market. the other important thing is probability. The last gives us understanding where to find the extremums, the reverse point. The third thing is time within a trading day. Best, D.P.

hi Dr.
what you say is good stuff but totally true
or rather missing somethings
*** Tom stress the importance's of trend and the rule of three that is what I was trying to show
these seem to be missing in this thread

I personally would see trend as more importance then VSA in the forex
Because the forex is not a real market and price can & does over shot supply and demand zones
which would never happen in Gold or oil in the same way - because the SM might get a shipment of oil on their front lawn lol

if you do not understand this the forex will be a tough market for VSA.
Stocks, commodities and futures trading is much easier for most programs like
Tradeguider or Online Trading Academy

again I was trying to bring in two key points that are key points in VSA!!

just my two cents I will say no more
  • #26,148
  • Dec 2, 2014 11:11am Dec 2, 2014 11:11am
Quoting TEB63
{quote}*** Tom stress the importance's of trend and the rule of three that is what I was trying to show these seem to be missing in
Agreed. The trend is needful of course. I have not mentioned the trend as I do trade both directions intraday.
However the trend gives us the probability preponderance in trading.
+1


Quoting TEB63
{quote}I was trying to bring in two key points that are key points in VSA!! just my two cents I will say no more
+2 cents collected.

Best,
D.P.
Hunting High and Low
  • #26,149
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:20am Dec 3, 2014 7:20am
The patterns of the market is always important, not just vsa principles.
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  • #26,150
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:41am Dec 3, 2014 7:41am
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  • #26,151
  • Dec 4, 2014 5:05am Dec 4, 2014 5:05am
Quoting icantmilk
GU second try to break R ? {image}

I asked this last night

what is s test I see it use often here
its a test of what?
  • #26,152
  • Dec 4, 2014 6:29am Dec 4, 2014 6:29am
The weakness is there, hopefully a nice trade will occur. But for me Ill wait till after ecb has its way.
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  • #26,153
  • Dec 4, 2014 6:33am Dec 4, 2014 6:33am
Quoting wwisc1
{quote} I asked this last night what is s test I see it use often here its a test of what?
A test is when you knock a massive guy lights out, and you give him a soft little ( low volume ) poke. Just to see if he is going to cause resistance to your intended moves ( higher prices ) ( dragging the big guy up the stairs )
  • #26,154
  • Dec 4, 2014 6:44am Dec 4, 2014 6:44am
Quoting pete148
{quote} A test is when you knock a massive guy lights out, and you give him a soft little ( low volume ) poke. Just to see if he is going to cause resistance to your intended moves ( higher prices ) ( dragging the big guy up the stairs )

Thank you.

For price to go up would it be a low volume poke up? or poke down or both?
  • #26,155
  • Dec 4, 2014 9:30am Dec 4, 2014 9:30am
this is a great thread!

triggers lines

on a big red candle is it the high or the close of the bar?

thanks
  • #26,156
  • Dec 4, 2014 5:14pm Dec 4, 2014 5:14pm
Expect big day down tomorrow... or next week
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #26,157
  • Dec 5, 2014 3:26am Dec 5, 2014 3:26am
Quoting BeLikeWater
Expect big day down tomorrow... or next week
Why? in which currency?
  • #26,158
  • Dec 5, 2014 4:49am Dec 5, 2014 4:49am
Quoting pete148
{quote} Why? in which currency?
euro anything
but remember its nfp

I have eurogbp shorts on
  • #26,159
  • Dec 5, 2014 4:57am Dec 5, 2014 4:57am
sup guys....how's going ?

noone online on skype today...so I check FF what's new
do whatever the fuck you want to do !
  • #26,160
  • Dec 5, 2014 5:07am Dec 5, 2014 5:07am
buying GU whole day, EU nothing special...just watching
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do whatever the fuck you want to do !
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