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  • #761
  • Oct 19, 2014 10:50am Oct 19, 2014 10:50am
Quoting jimsterk
Firstly, sorry for posting too many charts. But this is the relationship between transient zone and delicate secret. (Freefox, thank you for your indicator!) If we apply certain rule, we can duplicate his yellow/orange arrows with 80%-90% accuracy. However, eurusdd said many times that his call is not 100% accurate and error occurs due to price feed differentials. Maybe we can use cross broker similarity to reduce the error. This is 4-hour chart: {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}
Great posts mate. Will look at it deeply tomorrow, thank you mate.
  • #762
  • Oct 21, 2014 5:57am Oct 21, 2014 5:57am
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I can see no target level now.
  • #763
  • Oct 21, 2014 7:08am Oct 21, 2014 7:08am
Quoting jimsterk
{image} I can see no target level now.
Any one of the lower TZ levels can be a target.
Equally, your TP is fine.
Nice work Jim.
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #764
  • Dec 12, 2014 10:27pm Dec 12, 2014 10:27pm
My question is to all those who have been active on this thread and are trying to replicate EURUSDD strategy.

I have been in read only mode till now and I am trying to decipher what EURUSDD said. I have been demo trading this strategy for the last 2 months with very good results[btw this is the first time I am close to doubling my demo a/c before blowing it up ]. But I have few doubts.

1)Does EURUSDD ever said that all the targets (100%) will be hit before the target candle disappears from the screen?
2)If not then how to deal with the floating loss?
3)I know that market strongly trends like 20% of the time and the rest is the combination of small trends and consolidation so if we are caught in a strong trend (upward or downward) can we assume that floating and DD will increase exponentially leading to possible blowing up our accounts too?
  • #765
  • Jan 9, 2015 11:54am Jan 9, 2015 11:54am
Quoting wasim2050
My question is to all those who have been active on this thread and are trying to replicate EURUSDD strategy. I have been in read only mode till now and I am trying to decipher what EURUSDD said. I have been demo trading this strategy for the last 2 months with very good results[btw this is the first time I am close to doubling my demo a/c before blowing it up ]. But I have few doubts. 1)Does EURUSDD ever said that all the targets (100%) will be hit before the target candle disappears from the screen? 2)If not then how to deal with the floating...
Use the principle of a martingeyl and averaging. It will help to avoid floating levels.
From Russia with love.
  • #766
  • Jul 29, 2015 10:16am Jul 29, 2015 10:16am
Quoting jimsterk
Firstly, sorry for posting too many charts. But this is the relationship between transient zone and delicate secret. (Freefox, thank you for your indicator!) If we apply certain rule, we can duplicate his yellow/orange arrows with 80%-90% accuracy. However, eurusdd said many times that his call is not 100% accurate and error occurs due to price feed differentials. Maybe we can use cross broker similarity to reduce the error. This is 4-hour chart: {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}

hi jimsterk what is the big white arrows and blue arrows where i can find the indi? or does anyone knows where to find the indi jimsterk uses?
  • #767
  • Aug 16, 2015 9:34am Aug 16, 2015 9:34am
First of all Thank you EURUSDD!
Also, Old_Dog, Savor0, Vlad ...

I know this is a long shot.
OD, Can you please post a recent chart (15M preferred) with levels marked using your indicator ?


Thank you!
  • #768
  • Jan 22, 2016 11:28am Jan 22, 2016 11:28am
Where is the indi?
Vucking good EA coder... https://t.ly/AZjRM
  • #769
  • Jan 29, 2016 7:01am Jan 29, 2016 7:01am
I think I finally figured out what's the delicate secret (not sure if it's been spoiled already, I think I read through like 20 pages).

Looking back at charts and testing out the theory, I can replicate a pretty high success rate, as others here have mentioned. I can't pick the exact high/low like Old Dog of where price will go, but the highs/lows of the candles I do pick, price will eventually get there before the candle leaves the screen.

The probability increases (as crazy as it seems) if you filter out the highest / lowest signal, just to play it safe.
  • #770
  • Mar 6, 2016 12:28pm Mar 6, 2016 12:28pm
Quoting diceman555
Look hard and you will see what is hidden. I am going to make calls based on my analysis which has p = 87% currently .On the 4hr chart I am calculating how far away price can move before snapping back. most Random processes, abstract or real, are directly related to physical processes and therefore, if you really want to understand the very basic laws, you need to go to the basic units of the process. In other words, if you create a system that does not work on all time frames, even 0.0001min time-frames, then there is a problem. What I present...
Yes, you are 100 % right. It works on any TF. Everything is simple. The price come back, just set the target for yourself.
  • #771
  • Mar 6, 2016 1:52pm Mar 6, 2016 1:52pm
Quoting zerrow-demo
{quote} Yes, you are 100 % right. It works on any TF. Everything is simple. The price come back, just set the target for yourself.
im glad you have found a way of advantage from these levels,i think it was mad dog who realised that there is no advantage in the levels themselves ,after running many tests it proved to be efficient ,the market always corrects to efficiency,hence trading one period of time would fail concidering spreads.so combining time and pips into groups was the way i found advantage.using market efficency to my favour.if you select a particular group for example 10 to 20 pips,and work out the % in which it is efficient and only trade that group when it becomes inefficient the % in probability increases quite dramatically .the market will always return to an efficent state.
  • #772
  • Mar 6, 2016 4:03pm Mar 6, 2016 4:03pm
I think you over complicated things. Every complete movement contains directional impulse and corrective impulse. The same with candles, every one candle retrace in previous candle (%), every one wave retrace in previous wave (%), and ect. All very simple. It is just statistic. But I am not a coder
  • #773
  • Mar 7, 2016 7:30am Mar 7, 2016 7:30am
Quoting zerrow-demo
I think you over complicated things. Every complete movement contains directional impulse and corrective impulse. The same with candles, every one candle retrace in previous candle (%), every one wave retrace in previous wave (%), and ect. All very simple. It is just statistic. But I am not a coder
maybe the way im explaining is sounding complecated but on the contrary its not.my point being not every level is corrected and the fact remains one does not know which will correct and those that will not.so for those with out a method to exploit it,they will remain trading a fairly randon thing.
the closest example i can give is for those that have looked at trading the deviation from the mean,its clear to the eye and garanteed to correct ,but not at a static price ,its very hard to trade also as the pips are often very low and spread iliminates the edge,hft can do this but not us.
my point being collectivly for one set of 10 to 20 pips the deviation or correction is measured continuosly as a % of the markets efficiency ,
im quite sure from this small converse that we are doing very different things ,which is a good thing .i have found a number of ways to trade this but i have found that it requires looking at it from other perspectives.the levels alone are not enough

good trading to you zerrow
  • #774
  • Mar 7, 2016 3:00pm Mar 7, 2016 3:00pm
You are right about different things. I don't trade levels. The first thing when I started trading and understand it was this I was writing above. And I think I was right after long time of research I found it in fibos, elliot, James16, D/S, PA and etc staff. You can trade just one candle on D1 with this strategy.
  • #775
  • Oct 7, 2016 9:08am Oct 7, 2016 9:08am
Secret name is fractal...
  • #776
  • Jul 31, 2018 12:54pm Jul 31, 2018 12:54pm
Im trying to understand this concept but still noting.. I like there is no reason to keep this a secret, we are here to help each other no keeps secrets on each other... at least this the point of FF to begin with..
  • #777
  • Oct 8, 2018 11:16pm Oct 8, 2018 11:16pm
What is the correct way to understand this concept, I see that there are many ways but none is very clear
  • #778
  • Aug 5, 2020 11:14am Aug 5, 2020 11:14am
Pure smoke!
  • #779
  • Aug 8, 2024 11:20am Aug 8, 2024 11:20am
pure smoke

with an underlying flame
  • #780
  • Last Post: Aug 28, 2024 9:13am Aug 28, 2024 9:13am
I'm excited to restart this thread now that I'm back as a full-time trader and fully committed to the community. In the coming months, I'll be focusing more on sharing insights and engaging with everyone here.

Building on EURUSDD's concepts, I've been able to demonstrate that price behavior is highly recurrent. Over time, as we approach infinity, all prices will eventually revert to their origin point—effectively returning to zero, as civilizations and economies evolve and change. This implies that there is a vast circular motion at play in the markets. If you stretch this circular movement, you see the price and time charts we trade on.

In lower timeframes and within fractals, think of price and time as a wave moving within a band or channel that represents the two extreme ends of this movement. Within these channels lie what I refer to as reversion levels. When the price escapes into the higher or lower ends of these bands, it inevitably reverts back within them, creating transient zones at various fractal levels.

As diceman555 has noted, there are multiple ways to trade this concept. From my observations, even experienced traders who may not fully grasp this theory are, at their core, recognizing these reversions and extremes within price channels—whether they’re using simple indicators like moving averages, MACD, or candlestick patterns. This underlying understanding gives them an edge in the market.

Through mathematical and statistical analysis, I've confirmed that there is indeed an edge when trading zones where price reverts, which I refer to as reversion zones.
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