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  • #1
  • First Post: Oct 16, 2014 9:46am Oct 16, 2014 9:46am
Hello,
I contracted to have an MT4 expert built to my exact specifications. I paid for said expert to be built and now the coder will not give me the original source code and has written a copyright on the EX4.
I mean it's my idea and I paid for him to do it isn't it my expert?
Can someone with some experience in the area please let me know how I should proceed or if I have any rights at all?

Thank you for your response
  • #2
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:34am Oct 16, 2014 10:34am
I hope you have communications recorded like e-mail and so on and go court with it
have a nice day
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  • #3
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:28am Oct 16, 2014 11:28am
These details need to be settled up front before any code is written. The coder does in fact own the rights to the EA, at least in Canada. However, if the trader wishes to share the ownership, this is usually done for an extra charge.

My advice is to offer the coder more money for the source code. Of course you will not have exclusive rights.
  • #4
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:29am Oct 16, 2014 11:29am
Quoting orabi
I hope you have communications recorded like e-mail and so on and go court with it have a nice day
Yes absolutely I have full email records of every communication that we had from the beginning to the finish. It clearly shows my exact outline of how I want to EA to function he quoted me a price it shows him acknowledge receiving payment and beginning the project.
  • #5
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:31am Oct 16, 2014 11:31am
Quoting CodeMeister
These details need to be settled up front before any code is written. The coder does in fact own the rights to the EA, at least in Canada. However, if the trader wishes to share the ownership, this is usually done for an extra charge. My advice is to offer the coder more money for the source code. Of course you will not have exclusive rights.
How is it possible that it's completely my idea and I told him how to build the EA to my specifications I paid him to do it and then he has rights to my idea?

That's like me hiring a contractor to build my house but then he has rights to my house because I paid him to build the house?
  • #6
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:37am Oct 16, 2014 11:37am
hi
you don't have any rights at all to to court and i am sure you do not have more extra money to pay fro him nd at the same time he will not give you the code because he will use it to make money from it so he doe not need you at all.
why you should not go to court, even if you have such emails and such details, do you have the lawyer fees and are you ready to waste hours and hours between court yards and going and coming from to your home/work and to the court on weekly basis or even daily basis and to wate many hours f trading...

if i were in your shoes , i will forget it and try to code it with some one else an dto begin from square one.

good luck
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  • #7
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:45am Oct 16, 2014 11:45am
I mean this whole thing started because he agreed to have it done in three days and it took him 24 days to finish and now it still doesn't even work correctly and he barely responds to emails and when he does he likes to somehow blame me because I'm too stupid to know how to install it.... I mean seriously. At this point i'm willing to just wash my hands of the guy but I can't even take my EA somewhere else and have them fix it because I don't have the original. And I thought of giving this guy more money after he's done absolutely nothing that he said he was going to do from the beginning just makes my blood pressure go up.
  • #8
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:47am Oct 16, 2014 11:47am
Quoting Samer1970
hi you don't have any rights at all to to court and i am sure you do not have more extra money to pay fro him nd at the same time he will not give you the code because he will use it to make money from it so he doe not need you at all. why you should not go to court, even if you have such emails and such details, do you have the lawyer fees and are you ready to waste hours and hours between court yards and going and coming from to your home/work and to the court on weekly basis or even daily basis and to wate many hours f trading... if i were in...
I've heard of reverse compiling from an EX4 file is is that possible?
  • #9
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:49am Oct 16, 2014 11:49am
Quoting billko1977
I mean this whole thing started because he agreed to have it done in three days and it took him 24 days to finish and now it still doesn't even work correctly and he barely responds to emails and when he does he likes to somehow blame me because I'm too stupid to know how to install it.... I mean seriously. At this point i'm willing to just wash my hands of the guy but I can't even take my EA somewhere else and have them fix it because I don't have the original. And I thought of giving this guy more money after he's done absolutely nothing that...
drink cold waer with lemon juice , this will cool you down and will decrease your blood pressure.......

in sll means it did not work so why u r so angry ?
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  • #10
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:49am Oct 16, 2014 11:49am
Quoting billko1977
{quote} I've heard of reverse compiling from an EX4 file is is that possible?
no.:nerd:
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  • #11
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:50am Oct 16, 2014 11:50am
i wish you good luck... bye
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  • #12
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:57am Oct 16, 2014 11:57am
well I guess the general consensus is I'm fucked.....thanks for all your responses and if anyone knows an HONEST coder that will not try to steal my ideas and give me the source files then Please let me know..

thanks
  • #13
  • Oct 16, 2014 12:28pm Oct 16, 2014 12:28pm
he can go to court and have his rights for the idea use ex 4 as an evidence and the communications record's and don't offer him money use the money in court
all have a nice day
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  • #14
  • Oct 16, 2014 1:54pm Oct 16, 2014 1:54pm
What is the guys name or web site ?, post it here let everyone know,
put a post on ripoff reports .com and many other sites
  • #15
  • Edited 3:14pm Oct 16, 2014 2:18pm | Edited 3:14pm
Quoting billko1977
{quote} How is it possible that it's completely my idea and I told him how to build the EA to my specifications I paid him to do it and then he has rights to my idea? That's like me hiring a contractor to build my house but then he has rights to my house because I paid him to build the house?

The correct analogy is to an inventor who contracts for design and engineering work. I am sure the inventor would stipulate how the rights are controlled and I am sure the contractor would charge accordingly. Anybody who does not take these precautions will never get redress from the courts in North America.

If you had treated the coder reasonably during the process, this situation would probably have never occurred. I am reading that the coder is trying to get back at you for something that happened during the build. He is not doing it for personal gain. Owning the rights to one more piece of crap EA is not going to change anybody's life.
  • #16
  • Edited 3:16pm Oct 16, 2014 2:50pm | Edited 3:16pm
Quoting billko1977
{quote} I've heard of reverse compiling from an EX4 file is is that possible?
Of course is possible, you can do it by yourself (make a simple google search to learn how to do it) or just give the ex4 to any coder (any coder know how to decompile it, don't worry).

About the copyright, if you can prove (with emails) that the strategy idea coded comes from you, then i guess you have it!
So you can decompile the ex4 modify the source code do whatever you want to do, it's your EA, your idea, your stuff.
Edit: I've just read on wikipedia that in this case the copyright is of the coder, so if you want to decompile it and give to another code, just keep this copyright stuff for yourself!

No need to go to courts etc.

At least this is my opinion.
  • #17
  • Oct 16, 2014 2:54pm Oct 16, 2014 2:54pm

Quoting orabi
I hope you have communications recorded like e-mail and so on and go court with it have a nice day
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  • #18
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:31pm Oct 16, 2014 3:31pm
I say go ahead and decompile the code. But consider this. Decompiled code will not run on MT4 Build 600+ and no reputable coder will work with decompiled code. So what have gained? Perhaps some emotional satisfaction?
  • #19
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:37pm Oct 16, 2014 3:37pm
it will run , it just needs a few things changed in the code
but a competent coder will still need to decipher all the rest of gibberish code if it needs modifing
sounds a bit mean to keep the MQ4
and if it was my idea i would also decompile it

coders on freelancers.com will work on decompiled code
for a fee
  • #20
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:52pm Oct 16, 2014 3:52pm
Quoting billko1977
Hello, I contracted to have an MT4 expert built to my exact specifications. I paid for said expert to be built and now the coder will not give me the original source code and has written a copyright on the EX4. I mean it's my idea and I paid for him to do it isn't it my expert? Can someone with some experience in the area please let me know how I should proceed or if I have any rights at all? Thank you for your response

it should be yours fella but if you did not agree it up front you may have problems ......however if it's in writing you have a leg to stand on for sure ..... but as your the gent pushing charges it up to you to foot the bill ....at least it's that way in the Uk ...

good luck
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