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  • #541
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:12pm Sep 22, 2014 8:12pm
Thanks for the answer. Looks like I missed it on the charts earlier. I have already started re-reading this thread but only got about a 1/3 through. You are correct there is a lot to take in and for some reason it is drawing me in a lot more than any other "system" or "theory" or what ever you call it that I have read in... well ages...
What's it all about? It's all about money.
  • #542
  • Edited 8:37pm Sep 22, 2014 8:13pm | Edited 8:37pm
http://i57.tinypic.com/2vd5rf6.jpg

The idea that someone would spend valuable research time painting a silly little box that portrays nothing but a 50% retracement of a swing high/low is rather insulting. Had you sat around waiting for that 50% retracement here, you would have gotten blown out of the water. In stark contrast, B2i got you in and out while the 50% retracement watchers were biting their nails hoping for a recovery trade.

Read more. Learn more. Post a lot less, MAM.Trader.

Quoting MAM.Trader
I am not trying to get it wanna help you...
Unreal.
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  • #543
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:32pm Sep 22, 2014 8:32pm
Quoting Innate
Thanks for the answer. Looks like I missed it on the charts earlier. I have already started re-reading this thread but only got about a 1/3 through. You are correct there is a lot to take in and for some reason it is drawing me in a lot more than any other "system" or "theory" or what ever you call it that I have read in... well ages...

You are welcome, Innate. No worries at all. At least you do read and that's better than a lot of them. It is the 50% retracement types that I wonder about the most. Sure, in a completely sideways market you can count on it, but when the market is in transition through the five phases, that stuff just won't cut mustard and you will need something different.

Just go over it a couple times. There are 28 pages here. I've seen threads with hundreds - even thousands of pages and not 1/100th the kind of direct information that is tradeworthy. In far less than 28 pages, people had enough to make at least 10 trades with zero failures and had they really done their homework, a lot more to near 97% accuracy, if they paid attention to "Real Price," and if they focused on Standard Structures before trying to work with Hybrid Structures. To do Hybrid Structures really well, you will need more underlying precision on Magnitude between standard time frames.

Anyway, with the last few posts from MAM.Trader, now you know why I don't do this year-round. I would have no hair left at the end of just one year.
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  • #544
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:37pm Sep 22, 2014 8:37pm
just for you prepared a screen capture. keep some of your hair for after watch
will post link few min...........

Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} You are welcome, Innate. No worries at all. At least you do read and that's better than a lot of them. It is the 50% retracement types that I wonder about the most. Sure, in a completely sideways market you can count on it, but when the market is in transition through the five phases, that stuff just won't cut mustard and you will need something different. Just go over it a couple times. There are 28 pages here. I've seen threads with hundreds - even thousands of pages and not 1/100th the kind of direct information that is tradeworthy. In...
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  • #545
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:42pm Sep 22, 2014 8:42pm
Java should be updated
now watch & then back to your hair work

trade well

http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/c2Q0eaeV6G
Quoting MAM.Trader
just for you prepared a screen capture. keep some of your hair for after watch will post link few min........... {quote}
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  • #546
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:44pm Sep 22, 2014 8:44pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
just for you prepared a screen capture. keep some of your hair for after watch will post link few min........... {quote}

It takes 90 seconds, not a few minutes, to see that 50% of a High/Low range is not B2i. Some Fall Lines will show-up near that level and some won't. You could have a smaller TF Fall Line with nowhere near a 50% retracement inside a much larger structure closer to 50%, 40%, 30%, 70% - you won't know what the final level will be until the structure is completed.

If you are having a hard time seeing this most basic of these concepts, I won't know how to make it any clearer. Just plot some more boxes and try to pick-up what you can - that's all I can say.
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  • #547
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:46pm Sep 22, 2014 8:46pm
if I enable all features on that code & bring those to screen you can not understantd it in few years
this is good & simple for you

you can not belive how it complete the next points

trade well

Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} It takes 90 seconds, not a few minutes, to see that 50% of a High/Low range is not B2i. Some Fall Lines will show-up near that level and some won't. You could have a smaller TF Fall Line with nowhere near a 50% retracement inside a much larger structure closer to 50%, 40%, 30%, 70% - you won't know what the final level will be until the structure is completed. If you are having a hard time seeing this most basic of these concepts, I won't know how to make it any clearer. Just plot some more boxes and try to pick-up what you can - that's...
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  • #548
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:57pm Sep 22, 2014 8:57pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
Java should be updated now watch & then back to your hair work trade well http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/c2Q0eaeV6G {quote}

Nice Java ScreenCast, but it does not show anything. It does not show that you even know how to plot the structure. It shows no Fall Lines compared to a 50% line. It shows no Harmonic Fall Lines compared to a 50% line. It shows no Real Price region as compared to a 50% line.

Second, it does not show the last chart I posted in this thread, nor does it explain why price moved into the "Real Price" region in that chart, but came nowhere near the 50% retracement line of the same chart - or any other chart where that might be the case. Third, in a Hybrid B2i, how do you know where the Extreme Points will be unless you have a way to measure Magnitude between standard time frames? That's why I only showed a few examples of Hybrid B2i, just to let people know they exist, too. In a Hybrid B2i, the entire concept of retracement is moot, until you can effectively (with confidence) state that a High or Low within a Hybrid range is extant and the structure is complete. Else, retracements mean nothing if either Extreme Point gets expanded, which is further evidence that B2i is something other than a mere 50% retrace of swings. You have to have a structure before you can make a call.

Again, read more - learn about the subject matter and develop a fundamental understanding of the concept. You are missing a huge component of the most basic and fundamental part of B2i. The word "Retracement" has different meaning in different time frames.

All the best.
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  • #549
  • Sep 22, 2014 8:59pm Sep 22, 2014 8:59pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
if I enable all features on that code & bring those to screen you can not understantd it in few years this is good & simple for you you can not belive how it complete the next points trade well {quote}

http://i62.tinypic.com/1znnygl.jpg

Start here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=496501 and go through the first 10 pages for the basics.

Hope that helps just a bit.
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  • #550
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:22pm Sep 22, 2014 9:22pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
if I enable all features on that code & bring those to screen you can not understantd it in few years this is good & simple for you you can not belive how it complete the next points trade well
And, then re-read this page: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...83#post7636083 .

It will help you understand what you are clearly missing with respect to Market Phases. Any sideways market Phase 3 will retrace by definition. Congratulations! You discovered Phase 3. But, what happens to free money 50% retracements when the market moves to Phases 1 and 2, or 4 and 5. That free money goes away and you will need something else other than a simple 50% retracement to target appropriate price levels. B2i is about all five market phases, not just free money market phase 3. If the market simply moved sideways all the time, everybody and their grandmother would be doing it.

You need to spend more time studying market data, so you can understand the five market phases and their two inverse phases, why they are important and how to know when the market is making a transformation from one phase to another. That gets into systems integration theory which unifies all market phases, and that is definitely not a topic I intend to cover in this thread.

Last time:

http://i57.tinypic.com/2vd5rf6.jpg

Market phase matters. Get the phase wrong and you are cooked looking for 50% retracements.
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  • #551
  • Sep 23, 2014 1:51am Sep 23, 2014 1:51am
Quoting MAM.Trader
eg........... Daily Macro Fractals & %50 levels GU {image}
Quoting MAM.Trader
Java should be updated now watch & then back to your hair work trade well http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/c2Q0eaeV6G {quote}
Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} Nice Java ScreenCast, but it does not show anything. It does not show that you even know how to plot the structure. It shows no Fall Lines compared to a 50% line. It shows no Harmonic Fall Lines compared to a 50% line. It shows no Real Price region as compared to a 50% line. Second, it does not show the last chart I posted in this thread, nor does it explain why price moved into the "Real Price" region in that chart, but came nowhere near the 50% retracement line of the same chart - or any other chart where that might be the case. Third, in a Hybrid B2i, how do you know where the Extreme Points will be unless you have a way to measure Magnitude between standard time frames? That's why I only showed a few examples of Hybrid B2i, just to let people know they exist, too. In a Hybrid B2i, the entire concept of retracement is moot, until you can effectively (with confidence) state that a High or Low within a Hybrid range is extant and the structure is complete. Else, retracements mean nothing if either Extreme Point gets expanded, which is further evidence that B2i is something other than a mere 50% retrace of swings. You have to have a structure before you can make a call. Again, read more - learn about the subject matter and develop a fundamental understanding of the concept. You are missing a huge component of the most basic and fundamental part of B2i. The word "Retracement" has different meaning in different time frames. All the best.
I've done this before and I can vouch for iDoubleStoch that no, its not the same thing.

Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} {image} Start here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=496501 and go through the first 10 pages for the basics. Hope that helps just a bit.
Haha... =) oops!
  • #552
  • Edited 9:02am Sep 23, 2014 8:18am | Edited 9:02am
How are you determining the Harmonic Fall Line?
Is it the same as using Weekly Pivot points or something similar?

Addo:
I think I see that the sloped fall line will act as an attractor for price and that price will respect both the position and the slope of the Sloped Fall Line.
In other words, price will "try" to break out from the angle along the Sloped Fall Line. Therefore, the Real Price will rest above or below the Horizontal fall Line while being limited, or held back from the move by the angle of the Sloped Fall Line.

Is that even close?

  • #553
  • Sep 23, 2014 8:57am Sep 23, 2014 8:57am
Quoting iDoubleStoch
The real reason I posted today was to post some very early and highly preliminary B2i results. Not of a Financial Market, but of Human Biology. The chart below is not a price chart. These are Blood Glucose Levels (BGL) of someone diagnosed with Type-II Diabetes. These were some of their very first measurements after being diagnosed back in late 2012 - early 2013 and after being prescribed the medication called Metformin to control the BGL levels. I took one look at the data and simply raised my eyebrows and then plotted hand-plotted some B2i randomly...
While glucose levels do fluctuate, they are confined to a relatively very tight range. Once outside the envelope, the underlying diabetes is the least of the patient's problems.

  • #554
  • Sep 23, 2014 9:29am Sep 23, 2014 9:29am
Quoting Orly
How are you determining the Harmonic Fall Line? Is it the same as using Weekly Pivot points or something similar? Addo: I think I see that the sloped fall line will act as an attractor for price and that price will respect both the position and the slope of the Sloped Fall Line. In other words, price will "try" to break out from the angle along the Sloped Fall Line. Therefore, the Real Price will rest above or below the Horizontal fall Line while being limited, or held back from the move by the angle of the Sloped Fall Line. Is that even close?...

Page 20 is where I first introduce it without explanation. Page 21 contains a fairly detailed explanation. Post number 403 is of particular interest to very wise Traders who want or need some "training wheels" to use with B2i. That member uses an SMA against hourly charts in a way that makes getting up to speed on B2i easier in Market Phases 2, 3 and 4. So, a wise Trader interested in B2i would read that member's post and learn from it. It allows you to see trading opportunities using B2i in an almost unfair fashion and makes for an excellent scalping guide.
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  • #555
  • Sep 23, 2014 9:35am Sep 23, 2014 9:35am
Quoting Orly
{quote} While glucose levels do fluctuate, they are confined to a relatively very tight range. Once outside the envelope, the underlying diabetes is the least of the patient's problems.
I would guess the pancreas has some serious issues at that point. I have no idea what to expect from the remaining bio data coming in. Apparently, there will also be some series data coming from the world of astrophysics. I've always wanted to apply all three TCDs, Distinct Vega, Alpha-4 and Alpha-5 functions (key parts of the original prototype predictive trading system) against such data, just to see what happens. It should be interesting.
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  • #556
  • Sep 23, 2014 10:01am Sep 23, 2014 10:01am
Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} I would guess the pancreas has some serious issues at that point. I have no idea what to expect from the remaining bio data coming in. Apparently, there will also be some series data coming from the world of astrophysics. I've always wanted to apply all three TCDs, Distinct Vega, Alpha-4 and Alpha-5 functions (key parts of the original prototype predictive trading system) against such data, just to see what happens. It should be interesting.
The pancreas already has problems even with pre-diabetic conditions. When the blood sugar moves outside of a range acceptable to the other vital organs, they begin to shut down. The liver and kidneys talk to each other and the sheer volume of sugar coupled with the size of the molecule the kidney is trying to eliminate may result in diabetic ketoacidosis and multiple organ failure.
I am not saying that your predictive ability wouldn't work. It is just that the range is quite tight and predetermined to a great degree before other major systems begin to alter the results. While the options on Microsoft can theoretically move to zero, blood sugar really can't do that without complete system failure.

Perhaps levels of cardiac enzymes or signs of inflammatory disease within the arterial wall would be a better study in predicting heart attacks. No one really knows what happens in a lot of coronary problems. They will tell you that plaques have built up in the coronary arteries and the muscle behind the plaque has died. That does happen, of course, but many, many people have reported cardiacc/heart attack symptoms, have been taken to the cath lab and voila! the coronary arteries are clean as a whistle, yet the patient shows ECG changes consistent with myocardial damage.
The reason the statin drugs work so well against heart attacks is not from lowering cholesterol. Cholesterol is brain food and very necessary. (I could use some cholesterol right now trying to figure out your B2i!...) Statins work because they control inflammation in the arteries.
It may be possible to monitor inflammation levels through some enzyme measurement by a device worn on the wrist. Predict that (or, hell, even claim you can...) and your "heart attack watch" would sell like lemon meringue cheesecakes a the World's Fair.

I so appreciate your taking the time. I have so many more questions. I have read the thread like four times and I get the principles. Just need to have my aha! moment, I suppose.

The OS red and OS green indicators you use aren't really moving averages, are they? It seems that they are Stochastics that are drawn directly onto the chart instead of in another indicator window. Hence, iDoubleStochs. Get it?

Either way, thanks so much for your input and best of luck with your medical research.

  • #557
  • Sep 23, 2014 10:05am Sep 23, 2014 10:05am
Quoting Relativity
{quote} {quote} {quote} I've done this before and I can vouch for iDoubleStoch that no, its not the same thing. {quote} Haha... =) oops!

I don't mind helping people - been doing that for a while. But, every once in a while somebody will eventually roll into one of my threads with absolutely no conception of what's going on and not even the smallest amount of effort put into learning - while claiming at the very same time that they've got it all figured out.

He rolls in here with a Channel Trading 101 skill-set and claims that it is the "same thing." 50% retracement in a channeling market was something he should have learned on Day One of that $3,000 boot-camp trading seminar that we all paid for through the nose at one point in our careers. Well, some of us paid for at least - I did not go to such a boot-camp, but I did pay through the nose for a $3,500 piece of software that was supposed to make me rich beyond my wildest dreams.

We all pay for the education of learning that most of that stuff does not work long-term. I have complaints, however. That $3,500 piece of software frustrated me so much, that it literally launched my entire Trading Research career. Without buying that BS software, I probably never would have begun exploring raw market data. Not only did I spend $3,500 on the software, but I then went on to lose another $8,000 using that damn stuff. After that, I promised myself understand what was behind any signal I ever traded in the future. Even then, I went on to lose another $10,000 or so after that developing skills. In total, I would go on to lose tens of thousands of dollars before developing enough skill to learn how to break even and then actually grow capital at a consistent rate.

One way or another, you pay for your education in this business. There is no easy way out of that reality. So, when this guy rolls in here with channel retracements and then tells me that he's going to "help me" understand the indicator that I built - you either laugh out loud or cry at the foolishness of it all.
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  • #558
  • Sep 23, 2014 10:44am Sep 23, 2014 10:44am
Also, beginning a count at the beginning of every hour is just as random a starting location as the thirty-eighth minute after the hour, isn't it?
Shouldn't the count begin after a group of large candles, thus the beginning of the "response" phase of the retracement?
  • #559
  • Sep 23, 2014 10:46am Sep 23, 2014 10:46am
Quoting Orly
{quote} The pancreas already has problems even with pre-diabetic conditions. When the blood sugar moves outside of a range acceptable to the other vital organs, they begin to shut down. The liver and kidneys talk to each other and the sheer volume of sugar coupled with the size of the molecule the kidney is trying to eliminate may result in diabetic ketoacidosis and multiple organ failure.
I understand that gastroenteropathy, a potential result of complete renal failure caused by diabetic ketoacidosis in T1 patients can be a severe problem, such that some people can't even eat without triggering a severe gag reflex and throwing-up immediately. They go in for a flexible sigmoidoscopy (flex sig) procedure and the gastroenterologist is stumped because they can't find a "problem" with the stomach or the intestines - because the real problem is hidden in the nerve endings within the stomach and intestines, caused by the diabetic neuropathy. I liken advanced stage diabetes to a form cancer, because of the way it can shut down entire organs and wreak internal havoc in so many vital life sustaining systems.


Quoting Orly
No one really knows what happens in a lot of coronary problems. They will tell you that plaques have built up in the coronary arteries and the muscle behind the plaque has died. That does happen, of course, but many, many people have reported cardiacc/heart attack symptoms, have been taken to the cath lab and voila! the coronary arteries are clean as a whistle, yet the patient shows ECG changes consistent with myocardial damage.
I thought the issue with increased probability for plaque build-up had to do with the patient maintaining high triglyceride levels against low small-sense lipoprotein. Or, was it low triglyceride levels against high-dense lipoprotein? I know that the medical industry has traditionally focused patients on just the LDL or HDL, but consistently (at least in the past) leaves out the importance of the ratio of triglycerides which I have understood to lead to mistakes in diagnosis, prognosis and most of all, treatment regimens for a lot of people (correct me if I am wrong).


Quoting Orly
It may be possible to monitor inflammation levels through some enzyme measurement by a device worn on the wrist. Predict that (or, hell, even claim you can...) and your "heart attack watch" would sell like lemon meringue cheesecakes a the World's Fair.
Probably similar to the diabetics CBGM. Such a monitor would be rather interesting, indeed. A Coronary Monitoring System (CMS). Hmmm. I'll take one, thank you very much! I'm pretty sure this stuff would take eons to get through all the governmental regulations required to put it on the market. But, if it could actually help people, then it would be more than worth the effort.


Quoting Orly
I so appreciate your taking the time. I have so many more questions. I have read the thread like four times and I get the principles. Just need to have my aha! moment, I suppose. The OS red and OS green indicators you use aren't really moving averages, are they? It seems that they are Stochastics that are drawn directly onto the chart instead of in another indicator window. Hence, iDoubleStochs. Get it? Either way, thanks so much for your input and best of luck with your medical research.

No problem and thanks. In the old days, I did a lot of my research in isolation, but much of my testing online. I don't have a system to build anymore, so I don't do that these days. The time it takes to answer questions can be all consuming, so I pop-in once a year typically and share what I can. Now, I trade full time but have been taken more time off this year for some reason. The OS1 is nothing more than dual MA that uses a 480 fast and 1260 slow period which are 60 times larger than some of the Fibonacci numbers that I used to use on the M1 chart for scalping. So, it is nothing but a double MA with huge periods related to fib numbers. OS1 is integrated into the system and it serves multiple purposes. In this thread, it was used as a poor-man's gateway of sort into Market Phase Transformations from 1 to 5, or 5 to 1 on the M1 chart. It is more effective on the M1 chart for me and the way I trade, however.
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  • #560
  • Sep 23, 2014 11:17am Sep 23, 2014 11:17am
Quoting Orly
Also, beginning a count at the beginning of every hour is just as random a starting location as the thirty-eighth minute after the hour, isn't it? Shouldn't the count begin after a group of large candles, thus the beginning of the "response" phase of the retracement?

It is my hypothesis that Time itself does not exist and that we enforce Time within our frame of reference within the universe because it helps us order our lives. I've held that hypothesis for years and now, Cosmologists are finally considering it a worthy expenditure of their time building theoretical models. So, yes - any Open price one uses is a "random" selection relative to some "other" frame of reference that is either extant or could be made to be extant, if one decided to enforce a Time Frame with differential to that of the selected Open value.

The real issue in the world of trading (where we use Time) relative to B2i is that of Magnitude, or the rate of the expansion in price over some fixed time frame. Because, price lives in a two-dimensional world, Magnitude becomes exceedingly important for driving price to a specified target within a specified period of time. But, in reality, the Magnitude of a specific bar of data is just illusion as Magnitude really has no meaning of you don't enforce Time. However, because everybody enforces "Time" on the markets to mark events in price behavior, you witness "Time" having significance and relevance in the market. Not exactly a perfect example of quantum physics' nonlocality principle, but conceptually similar on some levels in that what is experienced becomes "real," or that which is "real" is that which is experienced (see: quantum physics "double slit experiment").

This is why you can also select Hybrid B2i, which are nothing more than Non-Standard Time Frame B2i. With the Hybrid B2i, you enforce the structure, as opposed to allowing "Time" to enforce the structure and you use the Magnitude within that structure to determine extreme points and ultimately the fall line. I simply took the double slit experiment and decided to randomly enforce a B2i structure. After playing with it for a while, I found that they work just like standard time frame structures, which proves that Magnitude plays a more vital role than Time.

Time is Space and Space is Time, in a minimum three dimensional world. In a two dimensional chart, Time is Magnitude and Magnitude is Time. Restrict Time to zero and Magnitude shrinks to zero. Expand Time and Magnitude expands with it. Thus, what's genuinely "real" anymore? Matter, Forces, Space - that's all there is in the physical universe. On a chart, that equates to Magnitude, Direction and Probability, where Timing (because we enforce it) sets the whole thing into motion.

I've just given you my entire hypothesis for the design philosophy behind the way I trade. Everything I do, flows from the hypothesis that Time does not exist. Ergo, the entire foundation for my Delta Trading Philosophy. B2i is a tiny part of that philosophy. Thus, price will be where it needs to be at some point in the future, in order for it to continue being "price." And, where it "needs to be" is implied by its own variable, yet somewhat predictable structure. It just needs to be predictable enough to capture profit sufficient for my purposes.
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