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  • #521
  • Sep 19, 2014 9:49pm Sep 19, 2014 9:49pm
Your ideas are fascinating, thank you very much for sharing them with us.

Before you go, can you please tell me what B2i stands for?

I can see logic in B2i and a fall line, I still need more time to understand it. However I don't follow your fib angles. Isn't pitch or angle of incline subjective on a time series? Pitch is measured as "rise in run" and by zooming in on your charts you change the length (time) whereas you are not changing the height (price). In doing so that changes the pitch or angle. I am all for fibonacci in nature but isn't this a subjective application of it?

I have the same issue with Gann charts that I see and he made a fortune, so I must be missing something here?

BTW Congrats on the trading results very inspirational.
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  • #522
  • Sep 22, 2014 12:49pm Sep 22, 2014 12:49pm
Quoting Innate
Your ideas are fascinating, thank you very much for sharing them with us. Before you go, can you please tell me what B2i stands for?
Thank you. You are welcome.

Bento Box Indicator. B+B+i = B2i. I simply ran out of names. I have hundreds of bespoke indicators and functions used to make algorithms and signals. I was sitting in a Japanese restaurant one day eating dinner and looked at the box it came in with various departments serving the purpose of containing different parts of the dinner. I guess I had too much Sake that night, and Bento Box seemed just as good as anything else on my mind that evening. True story.


Quoting Innate
Isn't pitch or angle of incline subjective on a time series?
Y-Axis compression MT4 H1 time frame:
http://i59.tinypic.com/2lwk3dd.jpg

Y-Axis normalized (fully expanded) MT4 H1 time frame:
http://i58.tinypic.com/2z909om.jpg

The shift in the linear projection of the Fan caused by pixel distortion through the chart axes is real. However, using the Fans in this way does not cause a shift in the actual location of the harmonic intersection - that remains fixed. The linear projections of the 61.8 Fan are not to be followed strictly. They are directional waypoints used in the short-term to give an idea about which short-term trajectory is being respected and which is not being respected.

I posted the D1 GBPUSD BentoBox Indicator from yesterday with its projection into today. Both charts are of the same structure - one is compressed and one is fully expanded (the chart is not set to 1-to-1 under MT4 Chart > Properties). The linear 61.8 Fan projection does varies slightly. However, even with tight Y-axis compression you can't get the linear price to vary more than a few pips. However, the harmonic intersection point remains fixed in Time. That time being 10:00hrs in the last trading session.

I thought that was an important question to answer - hope that helps.
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  • #523
  • Sep 22, 2014 12:59pm Sep 22, 2014 12:59pm
The real reason I posted today was to post some very early and highly preliminary B2i results. Not of a Financial Market, but of Human Biology. The chart below is not a price chart. These are Blood Glucose Levels (BGL) of someone diagnosed with Type-II Diabetes. These were some of their very first measurements after being diagnosed back in late 2012 - early 2013 and after being prescribed the medication called Metformin to control the BGL levels.

I took one look at the data and simply raised my eyebrows and then plotted hand-plotted some B2i randomly on the Excel chart. There is a lot more to be explored, but here are a few sample structures:

http://i57.tinypic.com/2mdjuc5.jpg

Some of the projections were 5-8 days in advance with the small structures. I have yet to test out some larger structures. There were a ton of internal strikes on the projected target and they are all routinely predictable days in advance. This biological data also gives me some new ideas about how to use polynomial trend lines with B2i.

I'm not "back." I've always wanted to use some of my stuff against other kinds of data and this biological data became available to me recently - so, this is my first look at this kind of Series Data which is not Financial Market relate and not derived from a Mechanical source. I would like to see this bio-data in an OHLC format which would require the patient to take four BGL measurements per 24 hour period.

Ok, that's it.
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  • #524
  • Sep 22, 2014 4:32pm Sep 22, 2014 4:32pm
Quoting iDoubleStoch
The real reason I posted today was to post some very early and highly preliminary B2i results. Not of a Financial Market, but of Human Biology.
Well, I could imagine the reason for the success of this approach is because, based on the certain initial (price) momentum exposed to out-of-equilibrium influence by an action of a strong short-lived force (demand) and a subsequent reaction by another, opposite in sign, but of ~equal magnitude (support), a new equilibrium value needs to be found, and it should correspond to the value prescribed by box, with all other influences removed.
This is a very general situation.

All in all, very interesting, and thanks for sharing!
  • #525
  • Sep 22, 2014 5:06pm Sep 22, 2014 5:06pm
those are not "Funny Looking Shapes"
actually you are using Macro fractals on smaller TF & %50 level of that fractals
see %50 Hor Line + how price rejected & tested many times

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  • #526
  • Sep 22, 2014 5:14pm Sep 22, 2014 5:14pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
those are not "Funny Looking Shapes" actually you are using Macro fractals on smaller TF & %50 level of that fractals see %50 Hor Line + how price rejected & tested many times trade well {image}
The 50% is a special case of above proposition, it does not exhaust all the possibilities.
  • #527
  • Sep 22, 2014 5:23pm Sep 22, 2014 5:23pm
excuse me but I have code for that
believe me I can show you thousands like that / you can also eyeball charts

but sure you can beleve what you want

trade well

Quoting kprsa
{quote} The 50% is a special case of above proposition, it does not exhaust all the possibilities.
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  • #528
  • Sep 22, 2014 6:07pm Sep 22, 2014 6:07pm
set this indi to 60 and it will frame all 1 hour segments

great treat thanks double
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  • #529
  • Sep 22, 2014 7:31pm Sep 22, 2014 7:31pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
those are not "Funny Looking Shapes" actually you are using Macro fractals on smaller TF & %50 level of that fractals see %50 Hor Line + how price rejected & tested many times trade well {image}
Could you please expand more on your statement?
I dont understand what you mean it is "50% level of that fractals"?
All I see is a pivot line drawn half way between the hi and low. (Which in itself is very interesting)
Why draw a pivot line at 50%? What is special about 50?

thanks
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  • #530
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:06pm Sep 22, 2014 9:06pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
those are not "Funny Looking Shapes" actually you are using Macro fractals on smaller TF & %50 level of that fractals see %50 Hor Line + how price rejected & tested many times trade well {image}

An interesting take on B2i, but the standard MT4 fractal is not the basis of the indicator - but again, it is an interesting take on the matter of Price Structure. Any pattern is a "fractal" in the traditional sense, however. If you plot fractals on a larger time frame chart (in order to capture the H1 range), you end up with some higher high and some lower low, but no starting point for the B2i structure and that is key. The MT4 fractal will also repaint itself. I guess you could use underlying (smaller time frame) MT4 fractals to tighten up on the Highest High and the Lowest low for a given larger time frame structure - that would be interesting. But, the fractal by itself cannot locate the starting point - you would have to insert that manually into your structure to approximate the B2i.

It is much easier to simply use the B2i structure as given - no need to re-create the wheel already given - but I do like the creative thought process, nonetheless.
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  • #531
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:10pm Sep 22, 2014 9:10pm
I would post earlier but dont wanna disturb. heard you leaving.
price most of the time test %50 , swing high/low
you are actually drwawing lines between "macro fractals" + diagonals
this gives you +- %50 level

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Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} An interesting take on B2i, but the standard MT4 fractal is not the basis of the indicator - but again, it is an interesting take on the matter of Price Structure. Any pattern is a "fractal" in the traditional sense, however.
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  • #532
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:13pm Sep 22, 2014 9:13pm
eg...........
Daily Macro Fractals & %50 levels
GU
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  • #533
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:15pm Sep 22, 2014 9:15pm
as usual sometimes those work st not

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  • #534
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:30pm Sep 22, 2014 9:30pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
as usual sometimes those work st not trade well {image}

It does not work because it is not the same thing. Suggest re-reading the beginning of the thread to learn the difference between a 50% retrace between swings and a B2i. The primary legs of the B2i set the fall line and they are not 50% retraces between swings, which can be seen by simply measuring it.

Keep trying - you'll get it.
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  • #535
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:34pm Sep 22, 2014 9:34pm
I am not trying to get it
wanna help you

I know your calculation not %50 not so much dummy though so I said "+- %50"

-- last post --

Quoting iDoubleStoch
{quote} It does not work because it is not the same thing. Suggest re-reading the beginning of the thread to learn the difference between a 50% retrace between swings and a B2i. The primary legs of the B2i set the fall line and they are not 50% retraces between swings, which can be seen by simply measuring it. Keep trying - you'll get it.
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  • #536
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:39pm Sep 22, 2014 9:39pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
I am not trying to get it wanna help you I know your calculation not %50 not so much dummy though so I said "+- %50" -- last post -- {quote}

You're gonna help? Thanks. I appreciate your help.


http://i58.tinypic.com/974k06.jpg
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  • #537
  • Edited 10:03pm Sep 22, 2014 9:45pm | Edited 10:03pm
Quoting MAM.Trader
I am not trying to get it wanna help you I know your calculation not %50 not so much dummy though so I said "+- %50" -- last post --
http://i57.tinypic.com/xpreom.jpg

Not even close. Can you help?

You are not a dummy. You just need to learn to read with a bit more attention to detail and focus. That's all.
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  • #538
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:46pm Sep 22, 2014 9:46pm
iDouble,

In the last few images you posted you introduced the label of "Real Price." In the last image (edit two images/posts ago now) it is a band between the high of the B2i and the fall line. I think I get what you are implying (this is where price wants to return to), but can you please expand on what you mean?
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  • #539
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:47pm Sep 22, 2014 9:47pm
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  • #540
  • Sep 22, 2014 9:58pm Sep 22, 2014 9:58pm
Quoting Innate
iDouble, In the last few images you posted you introduced the label of "Real Price." In the last image it is a band between the high of the B2i and the fall line.
"Real Price" has been on earlier charts as well.

It is a region of price between the Fall Line and the Harmonic Fall Line. It sets "Real Price" as the range between the Projected Legs Intersection and the 61.8% Fans Intersection. The 61.8 Fans are derived from either the top of bottom of the B2i structure, depending on the direction of the projected trade. In a Long projected trade, the range O to H is used for the Primary Fan and the range High to Projection (the Mirrored O:L Primary Leg shifted UP to create the structure) is used for the Projection Fan. Where they intersect is the Harmonic Fall Line. The inverse is true for the Short trade.

You guys should check out the sections of the thread that cover all this. I introduced concepts in a staggered fashion, so as not to overload the subject too rapidly (as you can see why). Different concepts were introduced in a layered fashion after it seemed most people understood the initial underlying concepts they would need to move forward with the larger idea behind B2i.
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