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  • #49,721
  • Aug 30, 2014 10:37am Aug 30, 2014 10:37am
Quoting fti
{quote} eeeer , don't you complain about spreads. wait till you have to be like 4 tiger and trade 20 pips spreads. is already becoming like that already. regards
that will be

isn't 20 spreads like emerging markets currencies? i seen the futures for emerging markets currencies, very hard to trade, sometimes gapping here and there.
  • #49,722
  • Aug 30, 2014 12:38pm Aug 30, 2014 12:38pm
fti has good memory

Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} that will be isn't 20 spreads like emerging markets currencies? i seen the futures for emerging markets currencies, very hard to trade, sometimes gapping here and there.
that's 20 pips spreads on the Majors.. eurusd etc.

take a 5 pip spread, and then add +6 pips when you open a trade, and another -6 pips when you close the trade.
so that's 12 pips on top of the regular 5 spread. depending on the customer..

or like you get some brokers in the mainland advertising "400% Deposit Bonus !!!"

haha. i will be taking a break from FF to read this book I just bought.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._%28Dorst_novel%29

S. is a 2013 novel written by Doug Dorst and conceived by J.J. Abrams. The novel is unusual in its format, presented as a story within a story. It is composed of the fictional novel Ship of Theseus by a fictional author, and hand-written notes filling the book's margins as a dialogue between two college students hoping to uncover the author's mysterious identity and the novel's secret plus loose supplementary materials tucked in between pages.
S. has been called "part work of art, literary experiment, and love letter to the physical expression of books."

sort of sounds like WD GANN traders trying to decode his "tunnel thru the air" doesn't it?
  • #49,723
  • Aug 30, 2014 1:45pm Aug 30, 2014 1:45pm
Quoting 4tiger
fti has good memory {quote} that's 20 pips spreads on the Majors.. eurusd etc. take a 5 pip spread, and then add +6 pips when you open a trade, and another -6 pips when you close the trade. so that's 12 pips on top of the regular 5 spread. depending on the customer.. or like you get some brokers in the mainland advertising "400% Deposit Bonus !!!" haha. i will be taking a break from FF to read this book I just bought.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._%28Dorst_novel%29 S. is a 2013 novel written by Doug Dorst and conceived by J.J. Abrams....


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  • #49,724
  • Aug 30, 2014 8:58pm Aug 30, 2014 8:58pm
Quoting fti
{quote} ai ya my cravings for mat kilau. Lots mat saleh(farang) also agree, is best. You judge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGoeRQjtsa0 regards dark coloured ones are beep. lighter is and the chinese tausua sauce , wah mymat salleh freinds, they never miss me, the sauce , they miss. {image}
wah, why your chicken look more different than mines?
I search up on Yelp for restaurant near friend's house, query 'chicken'.
They direct me here, only to find genetic abomination chicken eh? very stiff, plastic fork almost snapped while attaching, so gotta position right to hold. I not even know what real supposed to be. Everything in 'murica comes sprayed with bbq sauce, and if it ain't got it, surely not approved by the FDA here
at least they gave fries, only not too sure they made of real potatoes anymore.
Finding real chicken becomes life&death quest here in States... like the knowledge one.
ok, then merchant has the audacity to charge me 45 cents for ranch. Fine ok, understand operation costs or w.e, but then I try haggle w/ them to neutralize my balance, maybe by substituting 20 fries, you know trade, but that doesn't work.
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  • #49,725
  • Aug 30, 2014 11:35pm Aug 30, 2014 11:35pm
Quoting 4tiger
fti has good memory {quote} that's 20 pips spreads on the Majors.. eurusd etc. take a 5 pip spread, and then add +6 pips when you open a trade, and another -6 pips when you close the trade. so that's 12 pips on top of the regular 5 spread. depending on the customer.. or like you get some brokers in the mainland advertising "400% Deposit Bonus !!!" haha. i will be taking a break from FF to read this book I just bought.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._%28Dorst_novel%29 S. is a 2013 novel written by Doug Dorst and conceived by J.J. Abrams....
hi 4tiger,

thats quite some huge spreads to handle, seems like you are either doing institutional side or prop side.
otherwise retail wise, the spreads won't be that big, maybe about 2-3pips with market makers?

interesting book, actually this thread itself resembles the way the book is being carried out, isn't it?
it also highlights the merit of crowd wisdom and sharing ideas and helping each other out, and we may in turn improve ourselves by helping others, by understanding, disputing and accepting other's ideas.
  • #49,726
  • Aug 31, 2014 12:22am Aug 31, 2014 12:22am
Quoting 4tiger
fti, thanks for settling this discussion on crosspairs . swis and cookiemonsta: thank you guys for bringing in new thoughts and perspectives, it shows that there is a lot of thought that comes with reading and learning from this thread.. i hope you guys understand the dangers of going off and "tweaking" the system though, it's not that you can't, but really be careful.. 1. demo it 2. don't lead others astray... ps. Swis: i'm not sure with your above reply that you acknowledge that you were "wrong".. but i'm really just trying to help, have a nice...
hello there, thanks for chipping in...

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Okay, so when you Long EURUSD and Long USDJPY, you are already effectively hedging these two trades. in one trade you are Selling USD, in the other you are Buying USD. in effect, you are left with the Buy EUR Sell JPY from these two orders.

agreed on the above

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if you add in that third trade of Short EURJPY... then you are at a stalemate. you are squared.

agreed. so my point was to double short EURJPY, so that we are net short EURJPY which is where we want to participate in. however, one could also equivalently cut the long EURUSD position and open a new short EURJPY to reduce all the hassle. so i was thinking, in what kind of situation would a trader want to hold the 3 position which is net short EURJPY?

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but please note that i do not recommend trading this way with 3 legged "crossed" animal.

so do u mean to say this is not the 3 legged animals that fti was talking about? actually, i suspect so too because i havnt be able to think of a situation where a trader would want to go short EURJPY in this manner, the margin would be 3 times required and so on as some fellow members have mentioned
THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental
  • #49,727
  • Edited 7:48am Aug 31, 2014 1:01am | Edited 7:48am
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} hi 4tiger, thats quite some huge spreads to handle, seems like you are either doing institutional side or prop side. otherwise retail wise, the spreads won't be that big, maybe about 2-3pips with market makers? interesting book, actually this thread itself resembles the way the book is being carried out, isn't it? it also highlights the merit of crowd wisdom and sharing ideas and helping each other out, and we may in turn improve ourselves by helping others, by understanding, disputing and accepting other's ideas.
hey cookie, this quite useful to visualize things

www2.gsu.edu/~fncjtg/Fi8000/PAYOFF.XLS

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  • #49,728
  • Aug 31, 2014 2:06am Aug 31, 2014 2:06am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} hey cookie, this quite useful to visualize things www2.gsu.edu/~fncjtg/Fi8000/PAYOFF.XLS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9G3whEceqk
hi Jacque,

thanks for sharing the p&l calculator
  • #49,729
  • Edited 2:07pm Aug 31, 2014 1:37pm | Edited 2:07pm
The smartest female alive.

maybe her song lies. otherwise she the smartest female, no question.
problem is there no smart males in world. If have i never met any yet.英雄難過女人關

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  • #49,730
  • Aug 31, 2014 7:43pm Aug 31, 2014 7:43pm
Quoting fti
The smartest female alive. maybe her song lies. otherwise she the smartest female, no question. problem is there no smart males in world. If have i never met any yet.英雄難過女人關 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WiXl9Goh0M regards
wah, what a dangerous song... if the 女人 is 美人, is double the whammy eh
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  • #49,731
  • Edited 10:57pm Aug 31, 2014 10:34pm | Edited 10:57pm
spectator not speculator this week
seems intense with eur, so only seek to learn reaction for future purpose
have to take care of a few scorpions too. Trying some soul search so planned events w/ friends to take me out for a while, in order to come later with a clean state of mind
mostly feel like boy now, only as young adult comes with a nice side of depression
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fti, also read about mr. soros--amazing
very grateful to exchange words with a man who knew--like teenage girl at boy band concert
  • #49,732
  • Sep 1, 2014 3:02am Sep 1, 2014 3:02am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} wah, what a dangerous song... if the 女人 is 美人, is double the whammy eh
ya ya you scared hor.
now then you know meh?

why you so scared? you don't know makeup also meh.
if you not, then learn lor.
You seems have weakness for eye candy hor.
beauty is skin deep la.



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  • #49,733
  • Edited 4:02am Sep 1, 2014 3:06am | Edited 4:02am
Quoting Swis
spectator not speculator this week seems intense with eur, so only seek to learn reaction for future purpose have to take care of a few scorpions too. Trying some soul search so planned events w/ friends to take me out for a while, in order to come later with a clean state of mind mostly feel like boy now, only as young adult comes with a nice side of depression https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRfpZD2ggx0 have a good week all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VONMkKkdf4 fti, also read about mr. soros--amazing very grateful to...
too big ?
and they say no creator. no design?

you talking only about 1 little marble in the milky way hor.
Wait till you meet the aliens.


You can use all the earth's resources build a rocket try escape.
But you will never escape you.
You are designed trapped on the marble for a purpose.
Imagine what happen to the universe if you ever manage escape.


When I was in resort for irrigation works, was only thingy i watched .
until chenjia came rescue me with reminder songs.

God? he still with us.
Once a while he still visits us checks see if we learned enough to be released.
Unfortunately we always fails test.
even every animal on earth knows.
You think they run like crazy everytime they meet you for nothing?
Probelm is they will never buy your lies, they no understand you talk.
otherwise they would be conned too.
If it ever lose its ability escape from you.
poor chicken forgot how to fly, then you of course will treat it with utmost delicasy.
bon appeteeth.


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  • #49,734
  • Sep 1, 2014 6:19am Sep 1, 2014 6:19am
what type of island these markets making?
looks more like staircase.

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  • #49,735
  • Sep 1, 2014 7:57am Sep 1, 2014 7:57am
Quoting fti
{quote} ya ya you scared hor. now then you know meh? why you so scared? you don't know makeup also meh. if you not, then learn lor. You seems have weakness for eye candy hor. beauty is skin deep la. regards

long time know already lah, learn from sch of many knocks. wah, you sit at computer can read my weakness, very li hai leh. mouth need eat rice, ear need eat sound and eye leh? need eat some candy lah , lucky i see see no touch hor. long time ago, when i was a rascal, nothing to do, i went people watching. funny thing is, i no fancy girls with lots of powder on face and wear nice clothes. my weakspot is simple and natural girl, this type of cow if click with me, i sure marry, lucky i found one already
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  • #49,736
  • Edited 11:04am Sep 1, 2014 10:34am | Edited 11:04am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} long time know already lah, learn from sch of many knocks. wah, you sit at computer can read my weakness, very li hai leh. mouth need eat rice, ear need eat sound and eye leh? need eat some candy lah , lucky i see see no touch hor. long time ago, when i was a rascal, nothing to do, i went people watching. funny thing is, i no fancy girls with lots of powder on face and wear nice clothes. my weakspot is simple and natural girl, this type of cow if click with me, i sure marry, lucky i found one already
ya ya lucky lor.
there can only be one.
You are either with one or you none.
Is better be with one than always on telephone.
now adays you luckier, have smart phone, shitting also can see. i mean talk on ohone.
problem is others also watching both.

come think about it you unlucky, no balls touch.
seeing also get happiness, aiya must be new age thingy?

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  • #49,737
  • Sep 1, 2014 11:02am Sep 1, 2014 11:02am
Quoting fti
{quote} ya ya lucky lor. there can only be one. You are either with one or you none. Is better be with one than always on telephone. now adays you luckier, have smart phone, shitting also can see. i mean talk on ohone. problem is others also watching both. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzlFxdZ8Vk regards
eh, how come the previous audilphile music missing? that was a pretty clear pcs
btw, the nutmeg thingy, i've tried. two things, any technique to rub till the area becomes hot? because after rubbing a while, the oil evaporates and nothing much left behind to rub. second thing, hand is feeling wierd after rubbing like it gona explode, someone suggest use ginger as the rubbing device. what do you say?
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  • #49,738
  • Edited 11:20am Sep 1, 2014 11:08am | Edited 11:20am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} eh, how come the previous audilphile music missing? that was a pretty clear pcs btw, the nutmeg thingy, i've tried. two things, any technique to rub till the area becomes hot? because after rubbing a while, the oil evaporates and nothing much left behind to rub. second thing, hand is feeling wierd after rubbing like it gona explode, someone suggest use ginger as the rubbing device. what do you say?
ai yoi, have pain relieve still complain.
hnad going explode , what you think happening at knee?

and pls no be chochu hor, ginger is for drinking .
where ginger can beat virgin nutmeg oil effects.

ginger + tamaraid+cinnimon tea. but very heaty stuff, can affect other weak insides if overdo.
I normally addsome grass worm, is called cordyceps


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  • #49,739
  • Sep 1, 2014 11:16am Sep 1, 2014 11:16am
Quoting fti
{quote} ai yoi, have pain relieve still complain. hnad going explode , what you think happening at knee? and pls no be chochu hor, ginger is for drinking . where ginger can beat virgin nutmeg oil effects. ginger + tamaraid+cinnimon tea. but very heaty stuff, can affect other weak insides if overdo. regards
btw, its not my knee.. knee is definetly having it worse than my hand so apologies for complain, but hand feeling weird lah, is 2 way thing hor, the oil oso absorbed by my hand. but my hand no pain in the first instance

btw, it suppose to rub and tje area becomes hot? if so, what is right way to apply and rub?
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  • #49,740
  • Edited 11:53am Sep 1, 2014 11:26am | Edited 11:53am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} btw, its not my knee.. knee is definetly having it worse than my hand so apologies for complain, but hand feeling weird lah, is 2 way thing hor, the oil oso absorbed by my hand. but my hand no pain in the first instance btw, it suppose to rub and tje area becomes hot? if so, what is right way to apply and rub?
no right way wrong way, just rub lightly until hot.
just don't rub against arteries flow. unless want get bruses.(near skin all arteries and for leg it flows down hor)
if you know how open mak door of knee double effective, but is very painful stuff better you no simply open.
open wrong door.

ai yo rub knee outer and inner joint la, rub thighs for what?
ai yo i get it.
no tiing pls, that impeeds blood circulation la.
just get knee pad keep knee warm la.

regards

oh by the way when no pain, is time rub zheng kut shui regularly for robust healing.
This you can get from chinese medicine shop.
of course unless you know chinese sifu can get teak da pallets and preserve in rice wine for rubbing.
That is best, but unless you know good sifu, is not easy get.
That normally reserved for fighters.
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