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  • #841
  • Aug 30, 2014 9:52am Aug 30, 2014 9:52am
Quoting Relativity
This is how I interpret this thread. Just my honest comments and I hope I am not derailing this thread in any manner. The foundation of the system lies in the chart data and the indicators used. This comes before everything else, as later the chart data and the indicators will provide more 'metadata' (in the form of SET1, SET2 and SET3). Later, logic via a model is applied to the metadata to seek out edges/probalilities. The crux of the matter as I see it is that the foundation requires some examination. The justification is that the better the...
Relativity,

Regarding the use of 2 indicators:
1. Fractals: See my comment on Post #645 - Page 33 - http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...23#post7444223 (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7444223#post7444223)
2. ZZ: it's a by product of Fractals (and the way you conceive it).

After all data gathering and logic manipulation a ForexGT_Arrow indicator was born.
...and it seems to be quite accurate in prediction...

G.
  • #842
  • Aug 30, 2014 3:29pm Aug 30, 2014 3:29pm
Quoting gg53
ZZ: it's a by product of Fractals (and the way you conceive it).
Thank you. I see it now.
  • #843
  • Sep 1, 2014 7:41pm Sep 1, 2014 7:41pm
The best trade entry/exit is just after or before a fractal since they occur at the tops and bottoms. Fractals appear 2 candles in the past but if you can predict that the previous candle or the end of the current candle will be a fractal then you can predict the direction of next candle. Is that the so called secret of the ZigZag/Fractal prediction system that's hiding in plain sight?
  • #844
  • Edited 4:28am Sep 2, 2014 2:00am | Edited 4:28am
Quoting gg53
There is nothing "Hidden" in my algo. Everything is explained, over and over, again and again, in posts and in my responses to gazillions of PM's in that FF forum. Some participants even contributed written doc's..
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Since I'm so "in it" there might be some things that are left out, not because I'm hiding something, but because they are so trivial and obvious to me..

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There is one thing about this "Fractal" based system that almost everyone, amazingly, fail to see.It has nothing to do with math, statistics or algorithm. It's in plain sight on the chart - and if you can't see it - look closer and harder... because this one I'm not going to explain.

Language barrier? Doublespeak? You cannot really say you have explained everything over and over again and in the next two paragraphs say there are an untold number of things (more or less crucial?) 'left out' because they are 'obvious to me' and that there is one (important?) detail that almost everyone fails to see that you will not explain.

Everything not everything? And where is the trading system?
  • #845
  • Sep 2, 2014 5:40am Sep 2, 2014 5:40am
Quoting gg53
{quote} Relativity, Regarding the use of 2 indicators: 1. Fractals: See my comment on Post #645 - Page 33 - http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...23#post7444223 (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7444223#post7444223) 2. ZZ: it's a by product of Fractals (and the way you conceive it). After all data gathering and logic manipulation a ForexGT_Arrow indicator was born. ...and it seems to be quite accurate in prediction... G.
Hi GG,
Yes, i have seen some images as results of this "holy grail" ForexFT_Arrow indicator at some posts of this thread. May i know, do you still get the same result (let say it gives you >80% right signals) at the moment ?
Edit:
It means, it will also work both at side way and trending market ? As we know that EUR/USD in down trend at the moment , if i am not wrong ...

Thanks
  • #846
  • Sep 3, 2014 5:23am Sep 3, 2014 5:23am
Quoting Xaphod
{quote} {quote} {quote} Language barrier? Doublespeak? You cannot really say you have explained everything over and over again and in the next two paragraphs say there are an untold number of things (more or less crucial?) 'left out' because they are 'obvious to me' and that there is one (important?) detail that almost everyone fails to see that you will not explain. Everything not everything? And where is the trading system?
Xaphod,

Do you see any question here that is not answered?
Does the process of creating the DB, filtering it, updating it - is clear?
Probabilities calc explained?
"Error" corrections?

Yes, there was some things in the process of explanations that I forgot to mention - and people asked and I answered.
As to "looking" at Fractals: they are marked at the top HIGH of the bar - which means nothing from a trader point of view. (a hint)
As to trading entry signals, you as a trader should know the difference between HLOC - and that's the way you should look at Fractals (yes, another hint).

What exactly are you looking for? Source-code or ex4 to decompile?

G.
  • #847
  • Sep 3, 2014 5:34am Sep 3, 2014 5:34am
Quoting cielo55588
{quote} Hi GG, Yes, i have seen some images as results of this "holy grail" ForexFT_Arrow indicator at some posts of this thread. May i know, do you still get the same result (let say it gives you >80% right signals) at the moment ? Edit: It means, it will also work both at side way and trending market ? As we know that EUR/USD in down trend at the moment , if i am not wrong ... Thanks
cielo55588,
Here are EURUSD charts for M5 & M15 from just now.
Conflicting signals? or M5 is signaling the end of retracement of M15?

Watch it from this point on.

G.
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  • #848
  • Sep 3, 2014 5:51am Sep 3, 2014 5:51am
Quoting gg53
{quote} cielo55588, Here are EURUSD charts for M5 & M15 from just now. Conflicting signals? or M5 is signaling the end of retracement of M15? Watch it from this point on. G. {image} {image}
Thanks GG, This is really great ...
  • #849
  • Sep 3, 2014 6:02am Sep 3, 2014 6:02am
Quoting cielo55588
{quote} Thanks GG, This is really great ...
cielo55588,

I think M5 from previous chart was right...

G.
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  • #850
  • Sep 3, 2014 6:10am Sep 3, 2014 6:10am
Quoting gg53
Probabilities calc explained? "Error" corrections?
The creation part is really really clear.

Probability calculations is another thing to be honest.

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"Watching the incoming fractals in real time, we check against SET2 what are the probabilities of more incoming fractals for what we currently have?"

Sounds straightforward but there are just a gazillion small different way about how to do that and that is true for every step in the logic.

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What exactly are you looking for? Source-code or ex4 to decompile? G.

I stopped developing the indicator at the moment as the results were outstanding during some time but collapsed at other times which is just not acceptable. I noted that this approach is valid and holds some value but that it is just not the right time for me to decrypt it entirely. Maybe in a few years from now. He explained everything well but I just could not grap all the necessary details.

I at least would be happy to get to know what I was doing "wrong" all the time at one point in my life. Do we make a deal? In 10 years you provide me an ex3 I can decompile . Did the development of the standalone version got discarded?
  • #851
  • Sep 3, 2014 6:44am Sep 3, 2014 6:44am
You can't say you have explained everything over and over when you have not.

Quoting gg53
{quote} Xaphod, Do you see any question here that is not answered?.
I am sure I can find some but I'm not about to dredge through 43 pages of posts to pull up examples.
Further more, one can answer all posts without answering a single question so that point is moot.

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Does the process of creating the DB, filtering it, updating it - is clear? Probabilities calc explained? "Error" corrections?
Yes, it is all perfectly clear. Why is there not a single person here that can affirm that they have successfully implemented it as described?
Where are the trades posted by them? This is after all a thread in the trading systems section.
Not a single person?
Not a single trade?
Well there are the 2 or 3 people you mentioned that were happy to use the information provided but don't want any one else to benefit from it.

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Yes, there was some things in the process of explanations that I forgot to mention - and people asked and I answered.
Yes, how kind. It is however a cop out. People cannot ask questions about things they don't know about.

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As to "looking" at Fractals: they are marked at the top HIGH of the bar - which means nothing from a trader point of view. (a hint) As to trading entry signals, you as a trader should know the difference between HLOC - and that's the way you should look at Fractals (yes, another hint).
You as a trader that uses or has used MT4 should know that the default fractal indicator will draw a fractal 1 bar after a top and then delete that fractal if the top is breached before the close of the second bar. Saying stuff like:
'Fractal does not "repaint"! Once they appear, it will not move or vanish. They just appear 2 bars later, and that's not "repainting".'
seems now like a ploy create confusion or unnecessary discussion. How about telling it as it is. The thread is full of stuff like this.

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What exactly are you looking for? Source-code or ex4 to decompile? G.

I am quite capable of writing my own software, thank you.

This is a thread in the trading systems forum. It is expected to contain a system that can be traded by the members following the thread. There is nothing of that here. It is a wonder that it has been able to remain here for so long.

How about some simple honesty.
If you have not explained everything, don't say you have explained everything over and over.
And put the thread in the correct forum.
  • #852
  • Sep 3, 2014 6:51am Sep 3, 2014 6:51am
GG,

Do you calculate your arrow on candle open or close? On other words, in the charts you posted, do you have the arrow on candle open already?

Thanks
  • #853
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:08am Sep 3, 2014 7:08am
Quoting gg53
... As to "looking" at Fractals: they are marked at the top HIGH of the bar - which means nothing from a trader point of view. (a hint) As to trading entry signals, you as a trader should know the difference between HLOC - and that's the way you should look at Fractals (yes, another hint) ...
So the OHLC of bars is being analysed too?
  • #854
  • Edited 7:30am Sep 3, 2014 7:14am | Edited 7:30am
Quoting Xaphod
You can't say you have explained everything over and over when you have not. {quote} I am sure I can find some but I'm not about to dredge through 43 pages of posts to pull up examples. Further more, one can answer all posts without answering a single question so that point is moot. {quote} Yes, it is all perfectly clear. Why is there not a single person here that can affirm that they have successfully implemented it as described? Where are the trades posted by them? This is after all a thread in the trading systems section. Not a single person?...
Xaphod,

1. Fractals doesn't repaint, and they actually appears 2 bars later and not 1. ZZ repaints.
2. As to thread location: I simply followed the previous one, sorry about that.
3. Let's conclude that I'm not an honest person.

G.

Edit:
"Elvis has left the (misplaced) building"
  • #855
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:29am Sep 3, 2014 7:29am
Quoting gg53
{quote}1. Fractals doesn't repaint, and they actually appears 2 bars later and not 1.
I respect your work but you are wrong on this. Fractals repaints. It plots on the peak after 1 candle closed after it. If the 2nd candle after it break the fractals, it is removed from the chart. That's how it works on MT4.

Xaphod is right on this.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #856
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:36am Sep 3, 2014 7:36am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} I respect your work but you are wrong on this. Fractals repaints. It plots on the peak after 1 candle closed after it. If the 2nd candle after it break the fractals, it is removed from the chart. That's how it works on MT4. Xaphod is right on this.
FerruFx,

If you read my posts on the subject you'll notice that I consider fractals 2 bars after the fact, and from that point on they doesn't repaint.

G.
  • #857
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:36am Sep 3, 2014 7:36am
Quoting gg53
{quote} Xaphod, 1. Fractals doesn't repaint, and they actually appears 2 bars later and not 1. ZZ repaints.
MT4 build 670, Strategy tester. Fractal indicator. Fractal drawn after the open of second bar after the high.
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High breached by second bar after high. Fractal gone.
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2. As to thread location: I simply followed the previous one, sorry about that.
The ultimate truth thread was in the 'trading journals' forum.
  • #858
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:36am Sep 3, 2014 7:36am
Quoting Kilian19
I stopped developing the indicator at the moment as the results were outstanding during some time but collapsed at other times which is just not acceptable. I noted that this approach is valid and holds some value but that it is just not the right time for me to decrypt it entirely. Maybe in a few years from now. He explained everything well but I just could not grap all the necessary details. I at least would be happy to get to know what I was doing "wrong" all the time at one point in my life. Do we make a deal? In 10 years you provide me an ex3...
10 years is a long time, but i am agree ... I will think again about this development, it is not so easy to create it "alone" ....
  • #859
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:50am Sep 3, 2014 7:50am
Quoting gg53
{quote} FerruFx, If you read my posts on the subject you'll notice that I consider fractals 2 bars after the fact, and from that point on they doesn't repaint. G.
You have my point in the Xaphod's post just above with the 2 pics. That's repainting ...
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #860
  • Sep 3, 2014 7:52am Sep 3, 2014 7:52am
Quoting gg53
{quote} FerruFx, If you read my posts on the subject you'll notice that I consider fractals 2 bars after the fact, and from that point on they doesn't repaint. G.
Where you are right is to consider fractals only once the 2nd candle after the fractals is closed.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
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