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  • #401
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:17pm Jun 24, 2014 3:17pm
Hi Guys
what is up today ?
nothing about money
?
  • #402
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:17pm Jun 24, 2014 3:17pm
Big money marking it up.
52.00 floor in the ES with a large playing accumulating 52.25 and other big hitters front-running them blocking into the offer.
You can see them if you have the tools.
These jokers will work prices over sessions. They do their numbers.
I'll get a video up at some point of a live trade.
rgds
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  • #403
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:19pm Jun 24, 2014 3:19pm
Quoting Abdul2012
Hi Guys what is up today ? nothing about money ?
Everything is about money. So the world says.
rgds
  • #404
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:19pm Jun 24, 2014 3:19pm
Quoting skfx
{quote} The reason why you have no idea is because you can't with a chart. Retail are trying to wash an elephant with a tooth brush. By the way, you're doing great for 91. Like a fine wine Rgds
EVEN MOST OF THE hedge funds FACE WITH STOP SO YOU AS A RETAILER WHAT EXPECT FROM THE VOLUMES OR POSITIONS OR ETC... ? THERE ARE BIG PLAYERS THAT CAN REVERS ANY POSITION AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH
THAT POSITION IS BIG OR...
  • #405
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:25pm Jun 24, 2014 3:25pm
Quoting arash66110
{quote} EVEN MOST OF THE hedge funds FACE WITH STOP SO YOU AS A RETAILER WHAT EXPECT FROM THE VOLUMES OR POSITIONS OR ETC... ? THERE ARE BIG PLAYERS THAT CAN REVERS ANY POSITION AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH THAT POSITION IS BIG OR...
Your post lacks effort.
Correct the caps, it'll help me to take you seriously.
rgds
  • #406
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:27pm Jun 24, 2014 3:27pm
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLAYER IN MARKET
The Biggest Loser: Morgan Stanley Stopped Out Of USD/JPY, EUR/JPY, EUR/AUD Longs
http://www.efxnews.com/story/17462/b...y-euraud-longs
IT WAS AN EXAMPLE SO INFORMATION ABOUT FLOWS AND REAL VOLUMES DOSE NOT HELP YOU
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE AS BIG AS THIS BANK THERE ARE PLAYERS BIGGER THAN YOU
  • #407
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:27pm Jun 24, 2014 3:27pm
Quoting skfx
Big money marking it up. 52.00 floor in the ES with a large playing accumulating 52.25 and other big hitters front-running them blocking into the offer. You can see them if you have the tools. These jokers will work prices over sessions. They do their numbers. I'll get a video up at some point of a live trade. rgds {image}
Skyfx where do you get these tools exactly to know where the big players are putting money? Is this something I can download for free? Is it offered thru a broker service? What's the service called so I can do more research? Would be nice to know so I can gain some confidence. I wouldn't use it alone to buy or sell of course.
Faith ends where worry begins, and worry ends where faith begins.
  • #408
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:31pm Jun 24, 2014 3:31pm
Quoting arash66110
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLAYER IN MARKET The Biggest Loser: Morgan Stanley Stopped Out Of USD/JPY, EUR/JPY, EUR/AUD Longs
Exactly.
The only way these jokers make money in spot is to manipulate fixings.
By the way, if you were big, would you go around telling everyone what you're doing and where your stop is?
How stupid do you have to be to do that?
The question is, do you believe it?
rgds
  • #409
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:31pm Jun 24, 2014 3:31pm
Quoting arash66110
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLAYER IN MARKET The Biggest Loser: Morgan Stanley Stopped Out Of USD/JPY, EUR/JPY, EUR/AUD Longs http://www.efxnews.com/story/17462/b...y-euraud-longs IT WAS A EXAMPLE SO INFORMATION ABOUT FLOWS AND REAL VOLUMES DOSE NOT HELP YOU
Money on the table talks.
Information is bullshit!!
rgds
  • #410
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:33pm Jun 24, 2014 3:33pm
Quoting forexvegan
{quote} Skyfx where do you get these tools exactly to know where the big players are putting money? Is this something I can download for free? Is it offered thru a broker service? What's the service called so I can do more research? Would be nice to know so I can gain some confidence. I wouldn't use it alone to buy or sell of course.
I'll give you direction shortly.
You make contact via pm if you are serious. I am not a seller, just a user.
Day's over here. Tomorrow is a new day.
rgds
  • #411
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:39pm Jun 24, 2014 3:39pm
Quoting skfx
{quote} exactly. The only way these jokers make money in spot is to manipulate fixings. By the way, if you were big, would you go around telling everyone what you're doing and where your stop is? How stupid do you have to be to do that? The question is, do you believe it? Rgds
why not to believe this guy in the mean time other player say the opposite position like barclas jp morgan
and lots of others.
They compete with each other and their result is available if you search annually
DO YOU REALLY THINK THESE GUYS NEVER HIT STOP?
  • #412
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:47pm Jun 24, 2014 3:47pm
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=486128
READ THIS THREAT Is anyone here an institutional trader?
THOSE TRADERS DOSE NOT EVEN USE BLOOMBERG TERMINAL AND AS THEY SEID IT DOES NOT HELP THEM IN TRADING
  • #413
  • Edited 4:19pm Jun 24, 2014 3:53pm | Edited 4:19pm
slow down ... let him finish what he started .... as his dog tag stated 2006 ... must be some thing good out of it . and have not seen many now . or they just turn out to the biggy .... . pretty much anoble man have been spike , whipt , left and right , up and down like price action , still showing compassion and willing to share . suppost these is the att that memeber of the forum are . everybody has a voice , but still , after all these is fx no 1 mooolahhh ....
  • #414
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:53pm Jun 24, 2014 3:53pm
THIS IS WHAT ONE OF THEM SAID:
Do you have certain tools or information that gives you the upper hand?
Some uppity rookie institutionals will puff up their jobs and say their Bloomberg terminals and Thomson Reuters Eikon accounts give them an edge. To weary long-time operators like me, these "tools" only give them a long-term crutch.

My final answer: Sometimes. But if your objective is only to trade spot FX, you don't need another crutch.


If not, what is it that means that you guys always have the edge?
Not sure what you're asking. The only real edge I see is the market-makers' ability to make money from the bid/ask spread (which is not even real trading).

If you take away this ability, an institutional will only have better-than-even odds that he'll be able to survive trading blind as a retail trader if he can get rid of the bad habit of relying too much on the so-called institutional "advantages" i.e. the spread, the expensive Bloomberg terminals etc etc.
  • #415
  • Edited 4:26pm Jun 24, 2014 3:54pm | Edited 4:26pm
Quoting Steamer
slow down ... let him finish what he started
You can say that again. It is always the same story. It's just better to just make money and don't post a thing. You know, when you really check it out I am always amazed and I am still amazed everyday that when anything new is spoken about it's shot down almost like clockwork. I have read many books and taken in from many of the past great traders, but the simple truth is when it comes to Forex, there is not one single book that really teaches you anything full. Foreign exchange in comparison is a faily new market, and who knows maybe the guy would go on a write a book in the future, and by then you might buy his book and start quoting the things he say, after shooting him down here on FF. This market is now being learned properly and I don't expect a good book about it for at least another 30 years.

You can learn something from anyone, just keep an open mind and try to look beyond the blocks you put up for yourself. If George Soros come here and post under a different name, he would be given the same treatment and shot down. Sigh
Being a trader is lonely, but being a great trader is lonelier still
  • #416
  • Edited 5:50pm Jun 24, 2014 4:47pm | Edited 5:50pm
everyone gets surprised sooner or later. Big guy, little guy ( okay, the little guy more often). The key seems to be to position yourself so that the surprises make you money...

if I were a "big guy" I would hide my position very easily by not posting any pending trades. I would simply have my boys enter immediate trades at several different brokers when the price turned right. So why the pending trades posted? Perhaps they do not want to miss out on a move when they are out of the market?

But if you watch the price moves for any time, you will notice that a currency tends to move the most when the banks that are interested in it are in session.

Watching the pending orders can sometimes help, I suppose. But that's not the big money. That's off-session money, and the big money moves on session.

If you can make money watching the pending orders, then keep doing so, of course!

I could be wrong. I will watch this threads and others: This is not the first time I have heard of order-flow systems. They are out there, so someone must be making money off them.
  • #417
  • Jun 24, 2014 5:15pm Jun 24, 2014 5:15pm
Quoting skfx
{quote} The reason why you have no idea is because you can't with a chart.
I dunno about this, dude...

Admittedly, I am intrigued by what you are saying, but on the technical side of things, if you can read a chart, you have a pretty good idea as to where the money is sitting support and resistance side.

We went through a similar conversation a couple weeks back...I posted resistance via chart, others were calling a higher number because of options expiry...

Yeah, I know it's different...but in the long run, I was dead on balls...they were the ones left scratching their heads.

I can and have done this same thing, hours, days and weeks in advance, and been only marginally incorrect...

Again, not to take away from what you are saying, but I just still have to argue with using the charts...

If ya want, I can post a couple of examples, I have my historicals with time and date stamps, complete with targets and achieves...

Saying it cannot be done...Gotta disagree..
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  • #418
  • Jun 24, 2014 6:48pm Jun 24, 2014 6:48pm
Hui man where are you ? Miss you man , where is the trading video . still studing the old greasy price charts here , and breeding reebbizztt ...
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  • #419
  • Edited Jun 25, 2014 6:42pm Jun 24, 2014 7:01pm | Edited Jun 25, 2014 6:42pm
Any trading strategy work any MM work ( as long as it use by the correct person ) . those who think one is dif then the other 1 . All only come in as personal reference . if any thinks works keep it up the good job , let em envyy , make heist .... robin hood ...

beforethe name is up by martin and call it gail . its been there by centurys even @ the era of whore trading .

sonothing is new ... just what and how to impliment it .... , just bunch of hypocrites ....
  • #420
  • Jun 24, 2014 9:28pm Jun 24, 2014 9:28pm
Quoting arash66110
THIS IS WHAT ONE OF THEM SAID: Do you have ................The only real edge I see is the market-makers' ability to make money from the bid/ask spread (which is not even real trading). ..............
Correct. Spread is not trading but brokers' commission.

Are there any edges in this market that give clear cut advantage to even small retail traders? The answer is Yes. I am not talking about technical probabilistic edges like fibs or patterns or averages, etc., that people use and win on balance when their tactic works more than 50% of the time on equal/risk reward (or any combination of risk/reward and achieved win/lose ratio that's resultant sum is positive). I am talking about logical and solid edge that is free from technical studies and any kind of price speculation.

Market abruptly goes up and down giving no prior notice and without telling us how far it will move and when. But despite that, it has a flow It moves in a particular way. This is for sure that it will keep on respecting and breaking supports/resistances, it will form spikes, it will range, it will consolidate, it will make trends, it will reverse trends,etc. Now it is upto a trader how to use general nature of this market movement to gain advantage, without relying solely on one (or few) technical (or fundamental) features. Is it possible to find such a way? Yes. Combine math with how market moves and here you go.
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