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  • #47,421
  • Jun 19, 2014 10:55pm Jun 19, 2014 10:55pm
Quoting fti
{quote} becareful is friday again. if gets trapped, no chance revenge until next week. So just taake what she willing give only, my friend. regards gins check? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnD097i5gVk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEw9lPznxI ooops i a little dizzy

engine checked....this time chief i think i will let it be like old time ...will do what i do and try to get whatever she gives.....no rush no forcing....will slowly again expand my comfort zone...

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  • #47,422
  • Jun 19, 2014 10:57pm Jun 19, 2014 10:57pm
its coming
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
  • #47,423
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:08am Jun 20, 2014 12:08am
Quoting fti
{quote} i just feel you going some off track in thoughts. since you are going to think about it. i point you some directions think. 1. charting is about marking accurate information. Any injections with assumptions adulterates the information. Any manipulation of the data also does same to the information. When information is adulterated, many minor adulterations can lead to compounded derailment of reads on charts. Think about this in depth. you do engines. when you add water to the fuel what happens to performance?what is the impact to the...
"later ifhave chance , i will show you why, market makers knows where the market is, more accurately than the customers."

Dear fti,
With respect to the above, may i ask if u could tell us more why the market makers know where the market is, more accurately than the customers.?
Many Thanks and Kind Regards.
  • #47,424
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:13am Jun 20, 2014 12:13am
Quoting RelaxRay
its coming
whats coming?

regards
  • #47,425
  • Edited 12:36am Jun 20, 2014 12:20am | Edited 12:36am
Quoting appleboy
{quote} "later ifhave chance , i will show you why, market makers knows where the market is, more accurately than the customers." Dear fti, With respect to the above, may i ask if u could tell us more why the market makers know where the market is, more accurately than the customers.? Many Thanks and Kind Regards.
alreadty told you.

next time you go look for it in thread yourself.
lazy not have high marks on my book.
if was new comer i would ask read from page 1.
count your star lucky this time.


http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...82#post7536782

regards

I've been thinking.
you are a youngster. so may not have the experience understand.
and since you clever asked.
I will go over again with you, on the subject this weekend.
anytime you not understand you ask.
because after i tried hard explain and passed will not revisit. ok, deal?

reason for weekend is because now i busy trying figure out what the jim beans markets trying to do, and also busy recoveing data from crashed harddisks.
dang viruses and dang tech.
  • #47,426
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:36am Jun 20, 2014 12:36am
Thank you.
I read that one.
Am i right to conclude that the market makers know where the market is cos they make the market ? and it can be anywhere they want it to be.?
Kind Regards.
  • #47,427
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:36am Jun 20, 2014 12:36am
Quoting appleboy
Thank you. I read that one. Am i right to conclude that the market makers know where the market is cos they make the market ? and it can be anywhere they want it to be.? Kind Regards.
no. read again, is only short passage.
ok i suspend everything and help you out 1 time.

ok lets say we want trade you in the markets.
what is 1st thing must figure out?
  • #47,428
  • Edited 12:54am Jun 20, 2014 12:40am | Edited 12:54am
ai ya so slow.
what you worth. correct?

if i make price trade you at bid 100/200 offer.
what is you worth to me?

ai ya
I am willing buy you at 100
and sell you at 200

but thats i guessing your worth.
so i need go in market place and make that price and see where you marketable.

but if you come into market and bid 150.
then i must realise that you think you worth at least 150.
and since you KNOW you.
then i must re-adjust your price to 150/???.
if capt kinky come and bid 180.
then we must figure out if he's correct?
  • #47,429
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:47am Jun 20, 2014 12:47am
Quoting fti
ai ya so slow. what you worth. correct? if i make price trade you at bid 100/200 offer. what is you worth to me? ai ya I am willing buy you at 100 and sell you at 200
can I join too?

must figure out motive and price ?




http://www.myfxbook.com/community/outlook
this is coming, deaths
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
  • #47,430
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:52am Jun 20, 2014 12:52am
Quoting RelaxRay
{quote} can I join too? must figure out motive and price ? http://www.myfxbook.com/community/outlook this is coming, deaths
any one can ask questions.
we not friends meh?
  • #47,431
  • Edited 1:05am Jun 20, 2014 12:53am | Edited 1:05am
so we come back to subject.
what you really worth?

i know you worth at least 150, because you bid 150.
but i am dealer
i will never sell you at your fair worth.
so i need figure out what i can sell you for.
so i ask you for price
if you make price 150 bid and 300 offer to me.
then where do i plot whats the now value of you on charts?

do we plot 150. 180, 300 ?
some may plot ave bid offer of 225.

but whats your real value?

so since i see kinky bid 180
i will make market price of 150/ 350
so i know where marjket is as market maker.
i know if someone buys my 350.
i can call you buy you at 300.
and because i sold you to buyer at 350.
i make 50.

understand?

kinky doesn't know where you worth.
you think you worth at 300.

no one knows, only market maker will know what is the value.
and the value of anything is not 1 price.
is 2
where people willing to buy and where people willing to sell.


regards
  • #47,432
  • Jun 20, 2014 12:56am Jun 20, 2014 12:56am
Quoting fti
so we come back to subject. what you really worth? i know you worth at least 150, because you bid 150. but i am dealer i will never sell you at your fair worth. so i need figure out what i can sell you for.
hahah. friend friend, ofc. thank you.

if you sell me, high, i not buy what right?
so, if i am worth 150, and bid 150, what will you bid me?

wait just realise u update post above, i go read

if you orginal 100/200

i am random test 150/200
and capt kinky test 180/220

//
update



----
oh you edit again wait


order flow from 100 -> 150 ?
but ask is still 200-220?
Quote
do we plot 150. 180, 300 ?
some may plot ave bid offer of 225.

but whats your real value?

// update
yes understand
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
  • #47,433
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:07am Jun 20, 2014 1:07am
Quoting RelaxRay
{quote} hahah. friend friend, ofc. thank you. if you sell me, high, i not buy what right? so, if i am worth 150, and bid 150, what will you bid me? wait just realise u update post above, i go read if you orginal 100/200 i am random test 150/200 and capt kinky test 180/220 // update ---- oh you edit again wait order flow from 100 -> 150 ? but ask is still 200-220? {quote} // update yes understand
so who really knows market better?
is the market maker.
  • #47,434
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:08am Jun 20, 2014 1:08am
what happen
if u no buyer
if theres no seller of price, you seek?

price go down, ?

you at 150/300

my value 100/200
kinky is 150/280

you still take my 200 sell kinky at 280, make 80?

am i totally gone?




//
hmm essential, this is bid - offer
ranging, tops, bottoms?
high low in chart, mm try figure out worth?
you, set top and bottom already before getting there
capt and me is in middle
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
  • #47,435
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:11am Jun 20, 2014 1:11am
Quoting RelaxRay
what happen if u no buyer if theres no seller of price, you seek? price go down, ? you at 150/300 my value 100/200 kinky is 150/280 you still take my 200 sell kinky at 280, make 80? am i totally gone? // hmm essential, this is bid - offer high low in chart, mm try figure out worth?
the thing is the market maker can see where the real buyers and the sellers.
buyers and sellers cannot.
can only see market maker prices.

mm no care you sell to him or you buy.
either way he makes the spread.

if both buying and seller occurs same instance. he made spread complete.
if 1 leg gets hit.
then he will shade try get out the other leg , as profitable as he can, by shading(moving the prices in direction he traded) the prices.


regards
  • #47,436
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:13am Jun 20, 2014 1:13am
Quoting fti
{quote} the thing is the market maker can see where the real buyers and the sellers. buyers and sellers cannot. can only see market maker prices. regards
noted, you hold chips, set the game..


ok sec, i ponder it. look at chart
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
  • #47,437
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:16am Jun 20, 2014 1:16am
Quoting RelaxRay
{quote} noted, you hold chips, set the game.. ok sec, i ponder it. look at chart
ya and everyboldy thinks market price is 1 price.
The price thats traded is not where the real market is.
the market maker, he is the real market. and the market is 2 prices. 1 for buying and 1 for selling.

regards
  • #47,438
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:26am Jun 20, 2014 1:26am
ok Q & A
if no questions, subject closed.

cannot discuss further until you understand this basics.

regards
  • #47,439
  • Jun 20, 2014 1:27am Jun 20, 2014 1:27am
Quoting fti
{quote} ya and everyboldy thinks market price is 1 price. The price thats traded is not where the real market is. the market maker, he is the real market. and the market is 2 prices. 1 for buying and 1 for selling. regards
I am looking at my charts,

i dont know if my eyes are different now, but after thinking about how every buy is him, sell is him,
there is no say, no predictive?

to a certain degree, chart patterns can be manipulated by him..
is he that skilled of an artist?!

clear SL/levels to move higher/lower/gain liquidity

since he is buyer and seller,
what i need to figure is he at
rest/move/ direction?
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
  • #47,440
  • Edited 1:49am Jun 20, 2014 1:28am | Edited 1:49am
Quoting fti
ok Q & A if no questions, subject closed. cannot discuss further until you understand this basics. regards
got it, understand this.
maybe, if convenient to throw question for me/us?
Quoting RelaxRay
{quote} I am looking at my charts, i dont know if my eyes are different now, but after thinking about how every buy is him, sell is him, there is no say, no predictive? to a certain degree, chart patterns can be manipulated by him.. is he that skilled of an artist?! clear SL/levels to move higher/lower/gain liquidity since he is buyer and seller, what i need to figure is he at rest/move/ direction?
//
so, mm is designing/drawing the charts.
Fall in love with the process, and the outcome takes care of itself.
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