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  • #381
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:02pm Jul 17, 2006 12:02pm
BenQ you wouldnt have to be sitting down monitoring to close it. You can do it at the end of the week / day etc.

Quoting BenQ
Yes, but how do you know you're maximizing and are you prepared to sit and watch it 24/7 and manually close trades here and there. I really prefer an EA that can profit on its own. Of course they all need to be monitored, but I'd rather it trade on its own. Besides, how could anyone then say an EA is profitable if they've manually closed "x" percentage of trades.
  • #382
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:06pm Jul 17, 2006 12:06pm
Quoting BenQ
Wow, how many pairs are you trading -- must be 13 or 14. Looks good so far.
Because this version is so different compared to the previous one, I'm going to test all pairs again. Up till now I have the idea that this version is suitable for all kinds of markets. Maybe, just maybe, we can drop all the safety measures (SafePipsDistance, SafeArea) and let this baby run for 24 hours and without any restrictions. More tomorrow!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

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  • #383
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:07pm Jul 17, 2006 12:07pm
Wow take profit equals 60 and stop loss equals 55? sounds too good to be true. Hendrick can you show us what results you have gotten from this setting thus far?

Quoting Hendrick
Phoenix version 2.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

Changes:<o></o>

removed divergence (I think its of no use)<o></o>

<o></o>

removed Surf-orders (performance was not good)<o></o>

<o></o>

replaced RVI by this piece of code:<o></o>

<o></o>

AdMA=(iMA(NULL,PERIOD_M15,120,0,0,3,1) - iMA(NULL,PERIOD_M15,12,0,0,3,1));<o></o>

if(Point==0.0001) {AdMA=AdMA*1000;}<o></o>

if(Point==0.01) {AdMA=AdMA*10;}<o></o>

if(AdMA > 1)<o></o>

{<o></o>

AdSELLSignal = true;<o></o>

SortOrder = "SELLSignal";<o></o>

}<o></o>

if(AdMA < -1) <o></o>

{<o></o>

AdBUYSignal = true;<o></o>

SortOrder = "BUYSignal";<o></o>

}<o></o>

if((AdMA > -1) && (AdMA < 1)) <o></o>

{<o></o>

AdBUYSELLSignal = true;<o></o>

SortOrder = "BUYSELLSignal";<o></o>

}<o></o>

<o></o>

The purpose of this code is to prevent that <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> is placing trades against the trend.<o></o>

<o></o>

For testing:<o></o>

Use the settings from the file. TF=15. All available pairs.<o></o>
  • #384
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:12pm Jul 17, 2006 12:12pm
Quoting Yardie
Wow take profit equals 60 and stop loss equals 55? sounds too good to be true. Hendrick can you show us what results you have gotten from this setting thus far?
In Backtesting, it's doing pretty awesome.
  • #385
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:19pm Jul 17, 2006 12:19pm
Care to elaborate with numbers? Are you using the default settings?


Quoting tradeigel
In Backtesting, it's doing pretty awesome.
  • #386
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:33pm Jul 17, 2006 12:33pm
Hendrick: in BT timeSettings (when it's trading) are still very important.

Quoting Yardie
Care to elaborate with numbers? Are you using the default settings?
No, I don't care, maybe I am gonna post some BT results soon. But the best is you test it on your own.
  • #387
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:42pm Jul 17, 2006 12:42pm
Why would we need to adjust the settings Hendrick.. Arent those the bread and butter of the EA and shouldnt they be constant across the board?



Quoting Hendrick
Statement of one day with version 2. Of course much too early to have an opinion about this, but I think the performance of this version is much better than the previous version. When placing trades <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> now takes the trend in consideration. I will post version 2.1 today or tomorrow where you can adjust a lot of settings of the new EMA-code. Stay tuned!
  • #388
  • Jul 17, 2006 12:43pm Jul 17, 2006 12:43pm
Fair enough I am forward testing. I dont trust backtesting that much.

Quoting tradeigel


No, I don't care, maybe I am gonna post some BT results soon. But the best is you test it on your own.
  • #389
  • Jul 17, 2006 1:30pm Jul 17, 2006 1:30pm
Hendrick is there any particular reason why you are not using USECLOSESIGNAL with Phoenix 2?
  • #390
  • Jul 17, 2006 2:10pm Jul 17, 2006 2:10pm
Quoting Yardie
Hendrick is there any particular reason why you are not using USECLOSESIGNAL with Phoenix 2?
Hi Yardie,

Version 2 of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> is operating completely different than version 1. So I have to rediscover the optimum settings again! That’s why I started version 2 as basic as possible (no UseCloseSignal, no SafeArea, no SafePipsDistance and so on)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o> </o>
  • #391
  • Jul 17, 2006 3:26pm Jul 17, 2006 3:26pm
Quoting Hendrick
Hi Yardie,

Version 2 of <st1:city w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:city> is operating completely different than version 1. So I have to rediscover the optimum settings again! That’s why I started version 2 as basic as possible (no UseCloseSignal, no SafeArea, no SafePipsDistance and so on)<o></o>

<o></o>
With "no" SafeArea, no SafePipsDistance you mean almost no, right? I mean it's still there but the filter filters out very few trades.
BTW, did you try different gamble times? in BT, I would never use yours, maybe one hour later or 8-9 o'clock.
  • #392
  • Jul 17, 2006 5:02pm Jul 17, 2006 5:02pm
The indicator for Firebird posted on #299, is that an EA or is that the
indicator version? Would like to try the Firebird indicator if one is
avaliable. Tks for all replys.
  • #393
  • Jul 17, 2006 5:47pm Jul 17, 2006 5:47pm
Hi,

It is an indicator, and it is Phoenix, not Firebird.


Quoting acetrader
The indicator for Firebird posted on #299, is that an EA or is that the
indicator version? Would like to try the Firebird indicator if one is
avaliable. Tks for all replys.
  • #394
  • Jul 17, 2006 5:51pm Jul 17, 2006 5:51pm
That's the indicator for the PhoenixAdditionalSignal. It plots the permission subgraph. Is that what you want, or are you looking for the firebird indicator that plots the MA envelope? If your're looking for the Firebird indicator, that hasn't been posted in this thread and probably will not per Hendrick's request to keep the thread clean. The indicator itself was posted more than once in the firebird thread.

Quoting acetrader
The indicator for Firebird posted on #299, is that an EA or is that the

indicator version? Would like to try the Firebird indicator if one is
avaliable. Tks for all replys.
  • #395
  • Jul 17, 2006 7:50pm Jul 17, 2006 7:50pm
Thanks for those replys. Will give the Firebird Indicator a try.
  • #396
  • Jul 18, 2006 3:51am Jul 18, 2006 3:51am
Quoting Hendrick
Statement of one day with version 2. Of course much too early to have an opinion about this, but I think the performance of this version is much better than the previous version. When placing trades <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> now takes the trend in consideration. I will post version 2.1 today or tomorrow where you can adjust a lot of settings of the new EMA-code. Stay tuned!
Hendrick
I am a little confused - kyk asseblief na die volgende:

In your statement posted yesterday there are trades that do not make sense...

You sold the eurusd (line 2) at 1.2636. The stop loss should be above that and take profit below that?
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 border=0><TBODY><TR align=middle bgColor=#c0c0c0><TD>Ticket</TD><TD noWrap>Open Time</TD><TD>Type</TD><TD>Lots</TD><TD>Item</TD><TD>Price</TD><TD>S / L</TD><TD>T / P</TD><TD noWrap>Close Time</TD><TD>Price</TD><TD>Commission</TD><TD>Taxes</TD><TD>Swap</TD><TD>Profit</TD></TR><TR align=right><TD title=Deposit>1367129</TD><TD class=msdate noWrap>2006.07.17 09:15</TD><TD>balance</TD><TD align=left colSpan=10>Deposit</TD><TD>5 000.00</TD></TR><TR align=right bgColor=#e0e0e0><TD title="#12345 Phoenix REGULAR[sl]">1367415</TD><TD class=msdate noWrap>2006.07.17 09:44</TD><TD>buy</TD><TD>0.20</TD><TD>gbpjpy</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.00">213.60</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.00">213.05</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.00">214.20</TD><TD class=msdate noWrap>2006.07.17 10:15</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.00">213.05</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>-66.00</TD></TR><TR align=right><TD title="#12345 Phoenix REGULAR[tp]">1367277</TD><TD class=msdate noWrap>2006.07.17 09:26</TD><TD>sell</TD><TD>0.30</TD><TD>eurusd</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.0000">1.2636</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.0000">1.2598</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.0000">1.2576</TD><TD class=msdate noWrap>2006.07.17 10:36</TD><TD style="mso-number-format: 0.0000">1.2576</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>180.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Are you using stop orders?

Thanks!
  • #397
  • Jul 18, 2006 4:34am Jul 18, 2006 4:34am
Quoting Benna
Hendrick
I am a little confused - kyk asseblief na die volgende:

In your statement posted yesterday there are trades that do not make sense...

You sold the eurusd (line 2) at 1.2636. The stop loss should be above that and take profit below that?
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr align="center" bgcolor="#c0c0c0"><td>Ticket</td><td nowrap="nowrap">Open Time</td><td>Type</td><td>Lots</td><td>Item</td><td>Price</td><td>S / L</td><td>T / P</td><td nowrap="nowrap">Close Time</td><td>Price</td><td>Commission</td><td>Taxes</td><td>Swap</td><td>Profit</td></tr><tr align="right"><td title="Deposit">1367129</td><td class="msdate" nowrap="nowrap">2006.07.17 09:15</td><td>balance</td><td colspan="10" align="left">Deposit</td><td>5 000.00</td></tr><tr align="right" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"><td title="#12345 Phoenix REGULAR[sl]">1367415</td><td class="msdate" nowrap="nowrap">2006.07.17 09:44</td><td>buy</td><td>0.20</td><td>gbpjpy</td><td style="">213.60</td><td style="">213.05</td><td style="">214.20</td><td class="msdate" nowrap="nowrap">2006.07.17 10:15</td><td style="">213.05</td><td>0.00</td><td>0.00</td><td>0.00</td><td>-66.00</td></tr><tr align="right"><td title="#12345 Phoenix REGULAR[tp]">1367277</td><td class="msdate" nowrap="nowrap">2006.07.17 09:26</td><td>sell</td><td>0.30</td><td>eurusd</td><td style="">1.2636</td><td style="">1.2598</td><td style="">1.2576</td><td class="msdate" nowrap="nowrap">2006.07.17 10:36</td><td style="">1.2576</td><td>0.00</td><td>0.00</td><td>0.00</td><td>180.00</td></tr></tbody></table>

Are you using stop orders?

Thanks!
No, that's alright. Hendrick is using Trailingsstop - this moves the S/L as you go deeper in profit. So his T/P was @ 60 Pips profit right from the beginning and his S/L was moved to lock in the profit. Well, but I guess you know what a TrailingStop is, right?
  • #398
  • Jul 18, 2006 6:33am Jul 18, 2006 6:33am
Wow I got up this morning to get greeted by some huge losses thanks the the big upswing in the GBPUSD and GBPJPY pairs. This EA will hurt you on big swings.
  • #399
  • Jul 18, 2006 7:20am Jul 18, 2006 7:20am
Hendrick,

I'm running v2 with the PhoenixAdditionalSignal in the subgraph. At 10:45 (GMT+2) a short in gbpusd fired while the subgraph was green.

You haven't spoken of the indicators used yet in v2, but I thought that was one of them. If so, the short should not have occured while the AdditionalSignal was green if I understood your explanation correctly. Maybe a bug?
  • #400
  • Jul 18, 2006 7:20am Jul 18, 2006 7:20am
hey Hendrick,

like Yardie and BenQ GPB/USD sucked for me, today. I guess the safety doesn't work in Phoenix yet, shouldn't the new MA-thing prevent Phoenix from trading against such a BIG trend?
However, except for GBP/USD Phoenix did a great job till now. Thanks!
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