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  • #45,881
  • Edited 8:43pm Apr 17, 2014 8:17pm | Edited 8:43pm
Quoting TooSlow
{quote} There is nothing proprietary. Discussion is permitted. To me, there was an appearance of similarity to your bus analogy. I respect your decision whether or not to continue this discussion. Thank you, FTI.
Is not matter of proprietary or not. Is matter that the originator, he done much thinking on the concept. Unless he brought his finding to me discuss, i would not show disrespect and discuss his materials without his input on whats behind the thoughts. That would be speculation.
Moreover there is nothing of what he is doing that has any resembelance to my mode.
But if he stripped all the razzle and dazzle, there is something of value there, i think.

But i , why is it that peeps who discovers nice way cook things, always they add stuff later destroys it.
because they want save a little cost of production, or to make it razzle and dazzle.
Or to modernise, or to automate. The world is cheap and hollow?maybe is that peeps no know see value and distracted by meir substance.
OR maybe peeps are taught by evil not recognise values. wrong sense of value. maybe peeps just too short sighted, cannot look farther ahead. Maybe is just trend compromise. In a world of lack, everythings lacking, even mind.

everyone's just taught, not thinks. same as slaves.
maybe not everyone.


regards
  • #45,882
  • Apr 17, 2014 8:50pm Apr 17, 2014 8:50pm
Quoting fti
{quote} Is not matter of proprietary or not. Is matter that the originator, he done much thinking on the concept. Unless he brought his finding to me discuss, i would not show disrespect and discuss his materials without his input on whats behind the thoughts. That would be speculation. Moreover there is nothing of what he is doing that has any resembelance to my mode. But if he stripped all the razzle and dazzle, there is something of value there, i think. But i , why is it that peeps who discovers nice way cook things, always they add...
Hi fti and TooSlow,

what you are discussing invoked my curiosity, may I know what is the topic about?
  • #45,883
  • Apr 17, 2014 8:52pm Apr 17, 2014 8:52pm
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi fti and TooSlow, what you are discussing invoked my curiosity, may I know what is the topic about?

Oh is about $$$$$$$$.

regards
  • #45,884
  • Apr 17, 2014 8:55pm Apr 17, 2014 8:55pm
Quoting fti
{quote} Oh is about $$$$$$$$. regards
Hi fti,

how you doing?

did a successful rescue yesterday.
  • #45,885
  • Apr 17, 2014 8:59pm Apr 17, 2014 8:59pm
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi fti, how you doing? did a successful rescue yesterday.
Not much doing.
Still sitting here instead of going out in the world.
non productive. no gfs. How's you doing?

Is nice of you rescue some dimsel in distress.
but don't get abusive, can turn ugly if always need rescueing only.
Must have been exhausting.
try take a rest refresh.


regards
  • #45,886
  • Apr 17, 2014 9:12pm Apr 17, 2014 9:12pm
Quoting fti
{quote} Not much doing. Still sitting here instead of going out in the world. non productive. no gfs. How's you doing? Is nice of you rescue some dimsel in distress. but don't get abusive, can turn ugly if always need rescueing only. Must have been exhausting. try take a rest refresh. regards
Hi fti,

doing great

not tiring, instead was kinda stimulating.

well can't do attacks too much at my level of capitalization, need plan for if attack foil, and need rescue the attack party too, so till my account gets bigger, maybe i do lesser attacks, just let the scout ride out.
  • #45,887
  • Edited 10:13pm Apr 17, 2014 9:52pm | Edited 10:13pm
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi fti, doing great not tiring, instead was kinda stimulating. well can't do attacks too much at my level of capitalization, need plan for if attack foil, and need rescue the attack party too, so till my account gets bigger, maybe i do lesser attacks, just let the scout ride out.
If you cannot have attack capabilities, then you best not get into warzone.
I not seen soccer match where a only defending team can win the game.

Ok i give you half a bullet. go to war.
is only a fire cracker. exciting?

regards
  • #45,888
  • Apr 17, 2014 10:05pm Apr 17, 2014 10:05pm
Quoting fti
{quote} If you cannot have attack capabilities, then you best not get into warzone. I not seen soccer match where a only defending team can win the game. Ok i give you half a bullet. go to war. regards
Hi fti,

i don't mean no attacks at all, just need more careful planning to carry out a good attack
  • #45,889
  • Apr 17, 2014 11:08pm Apr 17, 2014 11:08pm
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi fti, i don't mean no attacks at all, just need more careful planning to carry out a good attack
Hey peeps, interesting discussions. Shall look into the r/r thing.

Regarding ur attack. Does it mean if one has a large army, one don't need do careful planning? Maybe with capture POW, one can yaya a bit and do something funny in a blue moon. However , care ful it may affect mindset.

i guess with small army and high leverage, one Shd think type of strat avail. Being careful is a given


when in doubt, refer to wu Army vs chu army in aow.

aiiya, this dumb phone duminterface is killing me
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  • #45,890
  • Apr 17, 2014 11:31pm Apr 17, 2014 11:31pm
Quoting Jacque
{quote} Hey peeps, interesting discussions. Shall look into the r/r thing. Regarding ur attack. Does it mean if one has a large army, one don't need do careful planning? Maybe with capture POW, one can yaya a bit and do something funny in a blue moon. However , care ful it may affect mindset. i guess with small army and high leverage, one Shd think type of strat avail. Being careful is a given when in doubt, refer to wu Army vs chu army in aow. aiiya, this dumb phone duminterface is killing me


dumb smart phone?
please dial collectly.
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  • #45,891
  • Apr 18, 2014 12:26am Apr 18, 2014 12:26am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} Hey peeps, interesting discussions. Shall look into the r/r thing. Regarding ur attack. Does it mean if one has a large army, one don't need do careful planning? Maybe with capture POW, one can yaya a bit and do something funny in a blue moon. However , care ful it may affect mindset. i guess with small army and high leverage, one Shd think type of strat avail. Being careful is a given when in doubt, refer to wu Army vs chu army in aow. aiiya, this dumb phone duminterface is killing me
Hi Jacque,

it is just that I have to account for the number of attacks and budget in case i have a need for rescue.
I don't mean to say that i can be yaya with a big army, just i like to keep a silver bullet up my sleeve just in case.
  • #45,892
  • Apr 18, 2014 12:54am Apr 18, 2014 12:54am
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi fti and TooSlow, what you are discussing invoked my curiosity, may I know what is the topic about?
A trading method that seemed like it captured the bus analogy FTI posted.
My Threads: Trading is as simple as 1-2-3, Highest Open / Lowest Open Trade
  • #45,893
  • Apr 18, 2014 1:01am Apr 18, 2014 1:01am
Quoting TooSlow
{quote} A trading method that seemed like it captured the bus analogy FTI posted.
Hi TooSlow,

im curious as to what the method looks like. it is ok if you do not feel comfortable about divulging it.
  • #45,894
  • Edited 1:12am Apr 18, 2014 1:01am | Edited 1:12am
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi Jacque, it is just that I have to account for the number of attacks and budget in case i have a need for rescue. I don't mean to say that i can be yaya with a big army, just i like to keep a silver bullet up my sleeve just in case.
interesting, use expesive bullet.
lead work just as well.

silver bullet is normally meant for self?
anyone has gold bullet?
ai ya bunch of murderers.
up sleeves , is normally have ace or queen of hearts.
just trade la.
no need bullets, just need cells, brain cells.

wait someone come out with silver brain cells.
try understand the way one thinks eminates into one's alls.

there is no silver bullets , no holly graills.
only way of life.
"as ye sows , ye reaps."

regards
  • #45,895
  • Edited 1:58am Apr 18, 2014 1:18am | Edited 1:58am
curiozity killed the cat.
see the world, learns nothing.

lots peeps waiting for the grill.
dinner's served.

Zoran , where's the medium rear, sure taking long time.(private joke)


regards
  • #45,896
  • Apr 18, 2014 2:26am Apr 18, 2014 2:26am
Hi All

i personally find it easier to plan my trade 'over an area' (within the camp/s), when i say 'area' i mean entering during the 'rest'
or at the start of the 'pump' or retrace or swing or what ever you are using/seeing in the market at the time of deciding that you
see an opportunity, i found doing this over an area rather than starting a trade because of a candle let's say at a price/level
gives me far greater 'control' over my options and emotions, of course this idea was born out of reading this thread and the things
contained here, thanks again fti , but as always this is just MY interpretation of some things i found, once i started to watch the
kingdoms and crosses this gave me even more options to protect my troops in the field if needed and enhance my trading, but only
time/experience/practice can really improve your learning curve. attack/rescue it is just trading.

a passage from AOW that helped me understand this. (and other things)

THE ATTACK BY FIRE

1. Sun Tzu said: There are five ways of attacking with fire. The first is to
burn soldiers in their camp; the second is to burn stores; the third is to
burn baggage trains; the fourth is to burn arsenals and magazines; the
fifth is to hurl dropping fire amongst the enemy.
2. In order to carry out an attack, we must have means available. The material
for raising fire should always be kept in readiness.
3. There is a proper season for making attacks with fire, and special days for
starting a conflagration.
4. The proper season is when the weather is very dry; the special days are
those when the moon is in the constellations of the Sieve, the Wall, the
Wing or the Cross-bar; for these four are all days of rising wind.
5. In attacking with fire, one should be prepared to meet five possible developments:
(a) When fire breaks out inside to enemy’s camp, respond at once with
an attack from without.
(b) If there is an outbreak of fire, but the enemy’s soldiers remain quiet,
bide your time and do not attack.
(c) When the force of the flames has reached its height, follow it up with
an attack, if that is practicable; if not, stay where you are.
(d) If it is possible to make an assault with fire from without, do not
wait for it to break out within, but deliver your attack at a favorable
moment.
(e) When you start a fire, be to windward of it. Do not attack from the
leeward.
6. A wind that rises in the daytime lasts long, but a night breeze soon falls.
7. In every army, the five developments connected with fire must be known,
the movements of the stars calculated, and a watch kept for the proper
days.
8. Hence those who use fire as an aid to the attack show intelligence; those
who use water as an aid to the attack gain an accession of strength.
9. By means of water, an enemy may be intercepted, but not robbed of all his
belongings.
10. Unhappy is the fate of one who tries to win his battles and succeed in his
attacks without cultivating the spirit of enterprise; for the result is waste
of time and general stagnation.
11. Hence the saying: The enlightened ruler lays his plans well ahead; the
good general cultivates his resources.
12. Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there
is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical.
13. No ruler should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen;
no general should fight a battle simply out of pique.
14. If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you
are.
15. Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by
content.
16. But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into
being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life.
17. Hence the enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution.
This is the way to keep a country at peace and an army intact.

i got to out now, back in while though.

regards

Phil.
-be careful about what you allow to be put in your mind-
  • #45,897
  • Edited 3:09am Apr 18, 2014 2:29am | Edited 3:09am
Quoting fti
{quote} interesting, use expesive bullet. lead work just as well. silver bullet is normally meant for self? anyone has gold bullet? ai ya bunch of murderers. up sleeves , is normally have ace or queen of hearts. just trade la. no need bullets, just need cells, brain cells. wait someone come out with silver brain cells. try understand the way one thinks eminates into one's alls. there is no silver bullets , no holly graills. only way of life. "as ye sows , ye reaps." regards
Hi fti,

just a figure of speech,
not intending to murder people, thats for sure, its just trading, no need harm others
just need a trump card to help me if i need.

but even though the way one thinks eminates into one's all, what truely is he saying?
I think his life experience shapes the meaning of what he says, so the phrase may hold 1 meaning for him, while if others who may interpret it differently,
as it holds a different meaning to them, their point of view is simply different. Just like a knife to a murderer is his killing tool, a knife to a surgeon is his beloved tool, as he can save many more lives with it, meaning has no absolution, it is but how u view and percept the world, it is you who give meaning what the words truely mean, if a bullet is nothing but metal to you, it is neither evil nor good, it is what it is, a piece of metal, however, if u view bullets as tools that murderers carry, then it is evil, if you view bullets as tools the police carry to enforce justice, then it is good. So in the sense what is good and what is bad to one person with respect to another person? it is only when they both sufficiently understand that each other mean and each other's view point then there can be dialogue. Hence, how is it possible for someone to see a bullet as tools of evil, if all he sees is a piece of metal that is really kind of useless sitting there?
I think my point is, why should I judge people on what they say, when I can't fully empathize their situation? or even that what they experienced in life is the same as mine? Won't that shape what 2 different people feel about a given topic or situation, if both grew up in different situations which shapes their view of the given topic differently? I think mutual understanding is needed before dialogue can happen, otherwise while one may mean well, the other may not understand where they are coming from and take it as an act of aggression.

Just my 2cents.

actually i have a question about the donchian channel, does the break of the high of the donchian channel attempt to speculate that there may be a change in trend, from the supposed range that the markets are trading in(range in this case is rather deception, as the channel is adaptive, more of the donchian channel is trying to check for huge spikes in volatility as a speculative sign that a change in trend of starting or has just begun or for that matter maybe reversing or continuing)? I just just completed the 2 books, the market wizard and the new market wizards, many interesting methodologies which sparked many questions as to what are their core philosophy behind them.
  • #45,898
  • Apr 18, 2014 2:50am Apr 18, 2014 2:50am
Quoting phil13
Hi All i personally find it easier to plan my trade 'over an area' (within the camp/s), when i say 'area' i mean entering during the 'rest' or at the start of the 'pump' or retrace or swing or what ever you are using/seeing in the market at the time of deciding that you see an opportunity, i found doing this over an area rather than starting a trade because of a candle let's say at a price/level gives me far greater 'control' over my options and emotions, of course this idea was born out of reading this thread and the things contained here, thanks...


regards
  • #45,899
  • Edited 3:12am Apr 18, 2014 2:53am | Edited 3:12am
Quoting CookieMonsta
{quote} Hi fti, just a figure of speech, not intending to murder people, thats for sure, its just trading, no need harm others just need a trump card to help me if i need. actually i have a question about the donchian channel, does the break of the high of the donchian channel attempt to speculate that there may be a change in trend, from the supposed range that the markets are trading in(range in this case is rather deception, as the channel is adaptive, more of the donchian channel is trying to check for huge spikes in volatility as a speculative...
still you in the wrong channel.

you still cannot understand?
what is the thrump card.
2,3,5,6 ? what does an ace do?against a 2 pair?

wrong channel.
can't even take out a pair of 2s

regards
  • #45,900
  • Apr 18, 2014 3:12am Apr 18, 2014 3:12am
Quoting fti
{quote} I found in the risk reward ratios, enbeded within was the probability components, but is very well hidden. and eludes many, because is too obvious. regards
See I've always had this "two sides of the sword" thing... The swords still there but just now I notice the centre of the blade.. Thank you so much

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